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those type of people are to enamored with comfort, consumption and lack of responsibility.
My wife and I decided to have kids and have her stay at home with them on a modest salary. We made it work.
I mean no disrespect, but over what general time period did you do that?
I’m curious what you’ll find if you were to shop around for current-day prices and add up the costs of the lifestyle you lived (house/rent, car, food, taxes, etc.). Then compare to what a “modest salary” means today.
Many people have done this exercise and come to the conclusion that it’s a lot more difficult now than it was in the past to live a “normal life”. This is by design, of course.
Well we didn't live a "normal" life, but we were happy. The kids were blissfully ignorant of our poverty.
THIS. It's all about living within one's means. Too many people have to have the newest, the biggest, the fastest, etc., then don't have money for what's really important.
Raising children and showing them how to live within your means, is one of the best things for them.
God always seems to provide… especially when you have kids. Stop worrying about Money & live in the Present.
I stayed home with three kids from 1996-2014. The first part my husband made maybe $50,000. We made it work. In 1998 he got a better job- private vs state- and his income went up.
$50,000 in 2014 would equate to around $100,000 in 2024. You only get the true picture if you start to run the inflation numbers yourself. The government reported numbers aren't even close to reality. Many essential goods and services have skyrocketed 400% in some cases over just a 4 year time span.
As others have said, this is by design. "Making it work" is impossible for many Americans who can barely support themselves through rent, groceries and gas. $100 used to be able to afford a few days worth of groceries for a family and children. Now it can barely cover a few bags of groceries.
The situation is far worse than most realize or are willing to admit.
You get it. And for normies who have less logic, common sense, and resourcefulness than the average anon, it is even MORE difficult.
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Hooray! Sanity in this thread.
Exactly. I teach high school and have spent the last couple of weeks building this into my lessons for my juniors and seniors. They don't realize what kind of world they're about to walk into as young adults. They will not be able to move out on their own for a LONG time. And yes, this is absolutely by design.
Thank you! This is the most to the point comment I have seen on this thread! u/#Classywow
and the only site that will give you accurate inflation stats is: https://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts
😂😂😂😂😂 yeah in like the 70’s, 80’s or 90’s.
I know there are plenty of millennials and Gen zers who are just fucking pussies but my god some of you older people are completely detached from how expensive it is to have a child now between shitty health insurance, cost of living, inflation, cost of housing, child care etc.
The cabal wanted this. They wanted to price people out of having kids so they can justify bringing in millions of legal and illegal immigrants to keep chipping away at western civilization.
I had my last child in 2013, my first in 2005. I am not that far out. Yes things are more expensive, but people can survive on less than they think. They can also move to less costly towns to live in.
The worst part is the housing market. My first house was $150k in 1999, that same house is now valued at $500k. That coupled with higher interest rates makes owning a house unattainable for most.
That being said if your goal is to build a family, it can be done. Especially if you have a trade skill or tech skill, then you can move to a smallet town.
Correct. It's ALL by design.
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Exactly.
Here's another angle to consider.
People 20-30 are claiming kids are "too expensive", right?
That's what they're saying - right?
So if they're saying that - but you're saying that their real hinderances are comfort, consumption and lack of responsibility (which are true in some cases, certainly!)
If you're able to say that you see something that is behind their "it's too expensive" reason as their real reason, which they didn't say...
Then it's only fair game to offer other angles of assumption, which also paint a picture beyond the words "too expensive".
Let us use you and your wife as an example.
You Made It Work, yes?
So if you Made It Work - that phrase makes it sound like you didn't have everything gifted to you - in fact, you say your wife stayed at home and you had kids on a Modest Salary. Great!
Let me ask you something - what made it worth it for you guys?
What made the Discomfort, Lack of Consumption and Responsibility, (since you're not part of "Those People")...
What made those circumstances Worth it for you guys to "Make it work"?
Let me take you on a tour of the rest of the world for a second.
Have you heard the slogan the Youth in China are chanting these days? Youth being, the soon to be child-bearing (or would be) generation...
https://youtu.be/GJ7S-nKmAr4?t=1923
"Let it Rot", is what they are chanting.
Now - let me ask you for your insight.
They're not saying this directly with their words - but it seems you are good are understanding what is Not said with words...
"Let it Rot" - what do you suppose is going through the minds of those would-be child-bearing 20 somethings when they say that?
Here's a great summary phrase from this documentary - "They don't think working hard means they can have a better future."
Before we jump to the conclusion that means they must be lazy and hate hard work - let us look deeper.
Where do they get this idea from? From this documentary, it seems as though, they have watched the generations before them. They see how their lives serve "the boss" - or in the US "the company" - and they see how at the end of their parent's lives, their parents have worked a lot - and built a lot - but it feels very hollow and like an endless treadmill - missing the real payoff of life, which believe it or not, is living..not simply existing!
What does this paint? A sense of Hopelessness, is what I see and hear.
Now surely, there are some who are caught up in their comforts - they are lazy, they are forever consumers - they are lacking responsibility, yes...
But who trains generations?
We see this "let it rot" generation responding to what the generations before them showed them.
Is it possible then, that the people whom you're referring to as enamored with comfort, consumption and lack of responsibility - similarly learned such qualities from the Generations before them?
And if that is the case - where does that leave Us, as people who are here because we're assuming responsibility, not blindly consuming and living on the edges of comfort?
Sounds to me, like these kids, who have lost hope, because of what their parents showed them - need some new examples - or some new lessons.
From people who are not sitting and pointing - but instead, hearing them where they are at - knowing where they could be - and helping them across that bridge.
To us - our experiences are Everything.
But the world is much bigger than our individual experiences.
If we're going to be useful in this culture war - we have to meet people where they are at, instead of grumbling about them not being where We are.
Consider yourself fortunate that you got the lessons that led you and your Wife to the mindset of "Making it Work".
If you got that gift - consider passing it on.
Otherwise, it dies with you.
Interesting take. I didn't mean to be dismissive of the issues of the day. I realize not everyone had the same situation that I did. But, there is always a way, depending on one's priorities.
I grew up Christian continue to be Christian. I believe that is a huge part of what "made it work". I don't look at life as finite. In China, not many Christians. I can see how demoralizing that would be. And in the US Christianity's influence is diminishing, to me this is the root of our problems. I am not a weekly church goer and don't read the Bible often (trying to do better). But, my faith is strong and I pray daily.
I watched my Dad work, and work a lot of hours. But, he still found time to coach our little league teams. As we got older he had less time, but I have 2 brothers and had a great Mom. My Dad is great too, but he traveled a lot and worked a lot.
I had a pretty massive trauma in my early teens. I don't want to go into huge detail, but spent weeks in the hospital and years of post hospital surgeries. I made a dumb decision that caused the trauma. I learned perseverance through this. I learned what family is through this. I don't wish anyone to go through what I did, but for me it was well worth the pain.
I will admit that something that always made it easier for me to take chances in my career was my family. While I never asked for any money, I always felt it was an unspoken thing that if I needed help, they were there. Most people don't have this luxury.
Probably too much information, that is the first time I have ever written this much about myself.
You are 100% right life skills are passed down. If one's family isn't loving and strong life will be much more difficult. Life is all about balancing. I always wanted to have kids of my own and did. It hasn't always been easy. Marriage and family are rarely easy.
Hope this is in any way helpful. Part of me is unsure of hitting post, but I will do it any way. The key to life is just to keep moving. Regrets happen when you wait for life to come to you.
I'm very glad you did hit post! :)
You hit the nail on the head here.
I too am Christian - and I share the same view of hope, and obedience as you do.
And I strongly believe that it is exactly that worldview that enables you and me to live outside of all the circumstances I pointed to with the Chinese cultural example - and even all of our own youth here in the US.
Simply put - there are SO MANY people that don't have that same reality that you and I do. They don't know it.
So as the world burns and falls apart around them right now - and after they've seen other people (also without faith, or not living it anyways) try everything - and they themselves have tried everything... they are not only at a material dead end - they are at a spiritual dead end.
That dead end manifests in everything we're seeing.
So what do we do? We bring them the hope-filled - and purpose-filled clarity of Jesus.
That's what is so spectacular about this time we're living through. So many are finding themselves at the end of theirselves. And that is exactly where the message of Jesus can come and rescue them from.
Have you ever seen Jesus Revolution? It came out in 2023. It's about the... Jesus Revival in the 70's. When all the "hippies" were finding Jesus and that caused a clash with the older generations who had been going to church for some time.
Watch this clip - it tears me up every time I hear it - because it convicts me.
The hippie, saying to the pastor -
"I know we must seem pretty strange, but if you look a little deeper - if you look with love... You'll see a bunch of kids that are searching for all the right things, just in all the wrong places."
"They're sheep without a shepherd - chasing hard after lies. And the trouble is, your people reject them. So I ask you pastor - how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard?"
"We can only walk through doors open to us. And your church? Well, that's a door that's shut."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkMgyzmk2Gc
We have a lot to do, my fren and brother in Christ :)
wow great clip, I haven't seen the movie, will watch it. I believe our job is to show the world our love for God through our existence and how we interact. We can't save everyone, but if some are brought to Jesus through our actions, we have done great things.
I have a friend who remembers what I went through with my middle son. Stroke at birth, mental and physical damage. Brain surgery at 6 years old. My friend asked me how I got through that, he mentioned I seemed to handle it very well and just kept going. I told him faith in God, that is why I don't stumble when hit by obstacles of trauma. We have had many discussions some on God, he grew up in a Christian home, but not really practicing. But, I think the door is open just a little bit more for him now.
The way we carry ourselves and the little things matter. Brings me back to a memory when I was 16, filled up with gas went in to pay, paid. Got outside realized I was undercharged, he had me pay the wrong bill. I went back in and paid the right bill. He had an african accent. He asked me right then if I was Christian. I said yes, he said God Bless you and my name. While he was obviously Christian as well, in that moment his beliefs were reinforced.
I don't always act as I should, but I am trying to do better.
I ordered a chronological version of the Bible for my and I the other day, plan on reading through the entire Bible in a year maybe a bit longer.
God's Blessings to you. I hope the ordeals of our society bring more people to Jesus.
BTW, if you are ever looking for a good book, I enjoyed the CS Lewis books. Mere Christianity (a philosophical proof of our God), The Great Divorce (A look at what idols people can't let go of to enter heaven) and Screw Tape Letters (Letters from a demon to his mentor about turning people away from God). All are great books. I really liked the one about the demon. These books are not scripture and CS Lewis discusses this in prologues, but they are helpful in seeing Christianity from different perspectives.
It's interesting to read your response - where you have decided that "those types of people" are all "enamored with comfort, consumption and lack of responsibility".
What makes you so certain that "those types of people" are all of "those things"?
What would create exceptions to your assertion?
The world is a big place - with lots of complexities - but I'm happy for you and your wife, who made it work.
Same.