B.s. tjey are one of the most corrupt. Tale a good look at the las vegas teachers union. Rapes the taxpayers with zero return on the investment. Edit... saw your second reply, it makes firing shitty teachers impossible. Same with the veterans administration unions. They don't belong in government anywhere.
They are. I worked under the engineering and technical union at the Boeing Company. It's formation was urged by CEO T. A. Wilson. It defends the contract under which we work and negotiates the process by which employees are rated, promoted, discharged, or laid-off.
Any corruption can be dealt with decisively by the members...if they are so inclined. It was ruled for over a decade by a despotic Executive Director (a hired hand) who essentially bribed the union leadership to give him free rein, so long as he arranged to have their union work done by paid staff and approved their unionizing travel junkets. He was widely hated by the members at large. Eventually, a group of us organized a massive internal political effort to gain control of the Board of Directors and fire him. Union politics have no equal for being vile. It took us about 6 years and several thousand dollars out of our pockets to accomplish this. His minions threatened a maneuver to reinstall him, but the word quickly trickled up from the ground troops that any such effort would be met by a massive decertification effort. The idea was dropped like a hot potato. He was gone like a used bedsheet.
But the point is: it can be done if people are determined to do it. I was greatly disappointed by members who were nominally honest and conservative, who bitterly complained about the corruption and toadying. I would ask them if they would run for Council Representative to change the governance balance. "What? Me? I don't want anything to do with it." And thus, the moaners and bitchers deserve their fates along with the sheep.
Every complaint against unions can be made against municipal governments. But do we argue, therefore, we should have no cities? What kind of union you have is determined ENTIRELY by the will and wisdom of the members. As an institution, it is a valuable aspect of freedom of association.
Whatever is wrong with Boeing is NOT the fault of the union. And cities are as necessary as agriculture, without which we would not have "civilization." My point stands: the faults are on the heads of the people, not on the nature of the institution.
Cities foment plague, cruelties and inhumanity of man. They're not necessary; towns would work fine, especially now with easy communication. Some institutions are inherently corrupt by nature.
the real question is: are unions useful anymore?
Unions serve the unions. Thats it.
How many union bosses are living the high life? That tells you ALL you need to know.
They're worse than useless at this point, they're actively and violently harmful. Have been for some time.
Unions are still usefull, just not for the people they claim to represent. Unions are usefull to the employers, businesses and politicians.
Only one - the Teachers Union
I respectfully disagree. No government employees should be in a union. This includes teachers as they work, for the most part, in government schools.
You're absolutely clueless if you truly believe that.
Perhaps the biggest DNC donors of all unions who are in charge of the indoctrination stations across the country.
You mean that union?
KEK.....
Yeah they're useful alright. Useful for destroying a once great nation.....
I didn't mean useful, I meant powerful (It is worth it for teachers to belong to it.).
B.s. tjey are one of the most corrupt. Tale a good look at the las vegas teachers union. Rapes the taxpayers with zero return on the investment. Edit... saw your second reply, it makes firing shitty teachers impossible. Same with the veterans administration unions. They don't belong in government anywhere.
Government unions seem to do well too.
They are. I worked under the engineering and technical union at the Boeing Company. It's formation was urged by CEO T. A. Wilson. It defends the contract under which we work and negotiates the process by which employees are rated, promoted, discharged, or laid-off.
Any corruption can be dealt with decisively by the members...if they are so inclined. It was ruled for over a decade by a despotic Executive Director (a hired hand) who essentially bribed the union leadership to give him free rein, so long as he arranged to have their union work done by paid staff and approved their unionizing travel junkets. He was widely hated by the members at large. Eventually, a group of us organized a massive internal political effort to gain control of the Board of Directors and fire him. Union politics have no equal for being vile. It took us about 6 years and several thousand dollars out of our pockets to accomplish this. His minions threatened a maneuver to reinstall him, but the word quickly trickled up from the ground troops that any such effort would be met by a massive decertification effort. The idea was dropped like a hot potato. He was gone like a used bedsheet.
But the point is: it can be done if people are determined to do it. I was greatly disappointed by members who were nominally honest and conservative, who bitterly complained about the corruption and toadying. I would ask them if they would run for Council Representative to change the governance balance. "What? Me? I don't want anything to do with it." And thus, the moaners and bitchers deserve their fates along with the sheep.
Every complaint against unions can be made against municipal governments. But do we argue, therefore, we should have no cities? What kind of union you have is determined ENTIRELY by the will and wisdom of the members. As an institution, it is a valuable aspect of freedom of association.
You kind of sort of proved the opposite point you were trying to make, I think. Especially looking at Boeing now...?
Edit- in case you don't know, I'm the one always saying cities are poison. Always have been.
Whatever is wrong with Boeing is NOT the fault of the union. And cities are as necessary as agriculture, without which we would not have "civilization." My point stands: the faults are on the heads of the people, not on the nature of the institution.
Cities foment plague, cruelties and inhumanity of man. They're not necessary; towns would work fine, especially now with easy communication. Some institutions are inherently corrupt by nature.