Jesus didn’t care about being nice or tolerant
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It's the "turn the other cheek" thing, and forgiveness, that the rest of the world has used to manipulate and take advantage of Christians. I must admit that, even within Christian churches, the ambiguity is confusing.
Onward Christian soldiers...
...Marching as to war. With the Cross of Jesus going on before.
Turn the other cheeks refers to insults. In the middle east during the times of the bible it was an insult to touch a man's cheek in certain circumstances. From the book customs in the lands and times of the bible by bishop K.C. pillai
The biblical right to self defense is clear in God's Word. We just don't war over insults.
If the crusades hadn't happend a hoard of asiatics and arabs would of swept into europe. Imagine a mongrel hoard from ireland to persia
Add in that most think the crusades were offensive…while in fact they were defensive.
Isn't that happening today?
Yes it is.
Yea, I wonder who could be behind all these great replacement conspiracy realities.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-jewish-case-for-open-borders
https://rac.org/issues/immigration-justice
https://hias.org/hias-eu/
https://jewishfed.org/supporting-immigrants
https://forward.com/news/179296/jews-unite-behind-push-for-immigration-reform/
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/editorials/ngos-and-migrants-337280
I could go on, but I would need to put a "not all jews" disclaimer on my post or JIDF will downvote every comment I make for the next week.
Actually the ONE behind all this is Satan.
Turning the other cheek was not necessarily an act of submission. Instead it may have been understood at the time to be an act of defiance against tyrrany, by standing up to it and facing it down:
"At the time of Jesus, says Wink, striking backhand a person deemed to be of lower socioeconomic class was a means of asserting authority and dominance. If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the discipliner was faced with a dilemma: The left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed. An alternative would be a slap with the open hand as a challenge or to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, by turning the other cheek, the persecuted was demanding equality."
On the other comment I was actually just positing something to which I do not have an answer.
This one is much more solid.
https://communities.win/c/PrayerGarden/p/16c1ukSEFO/what-is-prayer-garden-/c
We are working to fix that :)
There is no shortage of heresies these days.
If you want to adopt some blasphemous, perverted, fun house mirror reflection of Christianity, you will find a veritable buffet of options. You can sift through all the variants and build your own little pet version of the Faith. It’s Ice Cream Social Christianity: make your own sundae! (Or Sunday, as it were.)
And, of all the heretical choices, probably the most common — and possibly the most damaging — is what I’ve come to call the Nice Doctrine.
The propagators of the Nice Doctrine can be seen and heard from anytime any Christian takes any bold stance on any cultural issue, or uses harsh language of any kind, or condemns any sinful act, or fights against evil with any force or conviction at all. As soon as he or she stands and says ‘This is wrong, and I will not compromise,’ the heretics swoop in with their trusty mantras.
They insist that Jesus was a nice man, and that He never would have done anything to upset people. They say that He came down from Heaven to preach tolerance and acceptance, and He wouldn’t have used words that might lead to hurt feelings. They confidently sermonize about a meek and mild Messiah who was born into this Earthly realm on a mission to spark a constructive dialogue.
The believers in Nice Jesus are usually ignorant of Scripture, but they do know that He was ‘friends with prostitutes,’ and once said something about how, like, we shouldn’t get too ticked off about stuff, or whatever. In their minds, he’s essentially a supernatural Cheech Marin.
Read the comments under my previous post about gay rights militants, and you’ll see this heresy illustrated.
That post prompted an especially noteworthy email from someone concerned that I’m not being ‘Christlike,’ because I ‘call people names.’ He said, in part:
“You aren’t spreading Christianity when you talk like that. The whole message of Jesus was that we should be nice to people because we want them to be nice to us. That’s how we can all be happy. Period. It’s that simple.”
Be nice to me, I’ll be nice to you, and we’ll all be happy. This is the ‘whole message’ of Christianity?
Really?
Jesus Christ preached a Truth no deeper or more complex than a slogan on a poster in a Kindergarten classroom?
Really?
A provocative claim, to say the least. I decided to investigate the matter, and sure enough, I found this excerpt from the Sermon on the Mount:
“We’re best friends like friends should be. With a great big hug, and a kiss from me to you, won’t you say you love me too?”
Actually, wait, sorry, that’s from the original Barney theme song.
God help us. We’ve turned the Son of God into a purple dinosaur puppet.
There’s no way to be certain, but most theologians believe that, despite popular perception, Christ looked nothing like this.
I don’t recognize this Jesus.
This moderate. This pacifist. This nice guy.
He’s not the Jesus I read about in the Bible. I read of a strong, manly, stern, and bold Savior. Compassionate, yes. Forgiving, of course. Loving, always loving. But not particularly nice.
He condemned. He denounced. He caused trouble. He disrupted the established order.
On one occasion — or at least one recorded occasion — He used violence. This Jesus saw the money changers in the temple and how did He respond? He wasn’t polite about it. I’d even say He was downright intolerant. He fashioned a whip (this is what the lawyers would call ‘premeditation’) and physically drove the merchants away. He turned over tables and shouted. He caused a scene. [John 2:15]
Assault with a deadly weapon. Vandalism. Disturbing the peace. Worse still, intolerance.
In two words: not nice.
Not nice at all.
Can you imagine how some moderate, pious, ‘nice’ Christians of today would react to that spectacle in the Temple? Can you envision the proponents of the Nice Doctrine, with their wagging fingers and their passive aggressive sighs? I’m sure they’d send Jesus a patronizing email, perhaps leave a disapproving comment under the news article about the incident, reminding Jesus that Jesus would never do what Jesus just did.
Personally, I’ve studied the New Testament and found not a single instance of Christ calling for a ‘dialogue’ with evil or seeking the middle ground on an issue. I see an absolutist, unafraid of confrontation. I see a man who did not waver or give credence to the other side. I see someone who never once avoided a dispute by saying that He’ll just ‘agree to disagree.’
I see a Christ who calls the Scribes and Pharisees snakes and vipers. He labels them murderers and blind guides, and ridicules them publicly [Matthew 23:33]. He undermines their authority. He insults them. He castigates them. He’s not very nice to them.
Jesus rebukes and condemns. In Matthew 18, He utilizes morbid and violent imagery, saying that it would be better to drown in the sea with a stone around your neck than to harm a child. Had our modern politicians been around two thousand years ago, I’m sure they’d go on the cable news shows and shake their heads and insist that there’s ‘no place for that kind of language.’
No place for the language of God.
Jesus deliberately did and said things that He knew would upset people. He stirred up division and controversy. He provoked. He didn’t have to break from established customs, but He did. He didn’t have to heal that man’s hand on the Sabbath, knowing how it would disturb others and cause them immense irritation, but He did, and He did so with ‘anger’ [Mark 3:5]. He could have gone with the flow a little bit. He could have chilled out and let bygones be bygones, but He didn’t. He could have been diplomatic, but He wasn’t.
He could have told everyone to relax, but instead He made them uncomfortable. He could have put them at ease, but He chose to put them on edge.
He convinced the mob not to stone the adulterer [John 8], and you’ll notice that He then turned to her and told her to stop sinning. Indeed, never once did He encounter sin and corruption and say: “Hey, do your thang, homies. Just have fun. YOLO!”
The followers of Nice Jesus love to quote the ‘throw the first stone’ verse — and for good reason, it’s a beautiful and compelling story — but you rarely hear mention of the exchange that occurs just a few sentences later, in that very same chapter. In John 8:44, Jesus rebukes unbelieving Jews and calls them ‘sons of the Devil.’
Wow.
That wasn’t nice, Jesus.
Didn’t anyone ever tell you that you can catch more flies with honey, Jesus?
Of course, you’d catch even more flies with a mound of garbage, so maybe ‘catching flies’ isn’t the point.
While we’re often reminded that Jesus said, ‘live by the sword, die by the sword,’ we seem to ignore his other sword references. Like when he told his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy a sword [Luke 22], or when He said that He ‘didn’t come to bring peace, but a sword’ [Matthew 10].
Now, It’s true that He is God and we are not. Jesus can say whatever He wants to say. But we are called to be like Christ, which begs the question: what is Christ like?
Well, He is, among other things, uncompromising. He is intolerant of evil. He is disruptive. He is sometimes harsh. He is sometimes impolite. He is sometimes angry.
He is always loving.
Christ was not and is not a cosmic guidance counselor, and He is not mankind’s best friend, nor did He call us to be. He made dogs for that role — our destiny is more substantial, and our path to it is far more challenging and dangerous.
And nice?
Where does nice factor into this?
Nice: affable, peachy, swell.
Nice has nothing to do with Christianity. I’ve got nothing against nice — nice is nice — but even serial killers can be nice to people. They generally are exceptionally affable, except when they’re murdering. That means they’re nice to, like, 97 or 98 percent of everyone they meet.
I guess they’re following Christ almost all of the time, right?
And tolerance?
Tolerance is easy. Any coward can learn to tolerate something. Tolerance is inaction; intolerance is action. We are called to refuse to tolerate evil. We are called to get angry at it and actively work to destroy it.
Who’d have guess it — anger is far more godly than tolerance ever could be.
Obviously I’m not suggesting that anger is automatically, or even usually, justified. Christ exhibited righteous anger; righteous anger is the sort of anger that naturally fills our soul when we confront the depths of depravity and sin. It is wrong to seethe with rage because someone cut us off in traffic or gossips about us behind our back, but it is also wrong to feel no anger when babies are murdered and the institution of the family is undermined and attacked.
Anger is good when it is directed at things that offend not us, but God. Just as Christ’s intolerance, like the intolerance we’re commanded to have, stems from a desire to save souls and defend Truth.
Even when we have righteous anger, we do not have carte blanche to act on it in anyway we please. But, according to the Bible, there are times to use strong language, there are times to cause a scene, there are times to hurt people’s feelings, and there are times when we might need to use physical force.
Jesus told us to turn the other cheek when we are personally attacked; He never told us to turn our backs entirely and let lies spread and evil grow.
So, enough with the niceties.
Christians in this country sound too similar to the the Golden Girls song, and not enough like the Battle Hymn of the Republic. There’s too much ‘thank you for being a friend,’ and not enough ‘lightening from His terrible swift sword.’
We’re all hugging and singing Kumbaya, when we should be marching and shouting Hallelujah.
We’re nice Christians with our nice Jesus, and we are trampled on without protest.
Enough, already.
I think it’s time that Christianity regain its fighting spirit; the spirit of Christ.
I think it’s time we ask that question: ‘What would Jesus do?’
And I think it’s time we answer it truthfully: Jesus would flip tables and yell.
Maybe we ought to follow suit.
https://themattwalshblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/jesus-didnt-care-about-being-nice-or-tolerant-and-neither-should-you/
Well said.
People are being so nice, they are letting perverts and sinners run the churches.
Peter thought nothing of defending Jesus from the servants of the high priest when he lopped off Malchus ear. Jesus healed it to save Peter from death as to strike the servant of the high priest was a capital offense and a death sentence. Jesus was meant to go with them it was time for his sufferings. But he healed so perfectly malchus' ear their was no evidence of the injury to charge Peter. No condemnation could be leveled. Same thing he as done for all who believe when his blood justified us. Romans 8:1. That in part is what it means to be healed by his stripes. His blood is our atonement. But Peter was willing to defend Jesus at that time just the same. the right to self defense is very clear in the bible, we also have the right to watch God bare His arm for us in battle.
This comment is so on point, it should be cross-posted to Christianity!
Great post! Righteous indignation indeed.
This needs a t-shirt. Top notch!
We should all hope that some day we make someone so upset through the admonition of righteousness that they seek to murder us.
Quote of the week "a supernatural Cheech Marin". Classic. Now, someone in this group needs to make a meme with it!
It's a pendulum. We can't let it swing to far either way.
Sitting in one camp only hardens the heart to the work Jesus is wanting to do in you and with you.
Being hardened through battle is not necessarily the same as just being hard.
Zechariah 10:5
“They will be as mighty men, Treading down the enemy in the mire of the streets in battle; And they will fight, for the Lord will be with them;"
Agreed. Though one can lead to the other. Men can make it there personal mission to eliminate something all the while never once reaching out to God to ask what his will is. They turn themselves into the justice and tie it in a pretty bow of " it must be God's will"
Everything being said between us, paints the full picture. It's always a good idea to identify the extreme, then we can come together in the way God wants
The extreme of what? Jesus wants us to be extreme.
I thought of the Pharisees. They were extreme but for the wrong reasons. Sometimes we (including myself) tend to get stuck in our own understanding, self-righteousness, or zeal that we miss what God is actually up to. Stand firm, but make sure you are still operating in God’s character (fruit of the Spirit).
Hey brother I just wanna make sure you are aware of c/Christianity
Lots of great people there. The body is a beautiful tapestry woven together through Jesus Christ. Hope to see you there :)
Thank you!
Kindness is not the same thing as niceness. Christ was kind, but he wasn't always nice. Those pharisees needed to hear they were white-washed tombs, but they didn't WANT to hear it. It offended them.
He either healed you or rebuked you. But he didn't tolerate bullshit.
Or both. "Go, and sin no more."
At least not to the self - righteous or the money lenders, and cheaters.
Apologetix - Sweet Jesus (Made a Whip)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vg0z4aTCes
Jesus gave us the 🗝️ when He (Christ) made sure we realized that He (himself) followed, and did nothing without the leading of the Holy Spirit. See: (John 5:19). Christ is both the Lamb of God (John 1:29) and the Lion of the tribe ofJudah.(Revelation 5:5) Christ displayed both the Lamb and the Lion (in his walk) on this Earth (as our example). The Lamb with the woman caught in adultery, the Lion overturning the tables and whipping the money changers in the temple. 1st John 4:17 says, "As He (Christ is), so are we in this world" We are to do as Christ did and say what Christ says. There are times for us to be like the Lamb and there are times for us to be like the Lion. We are to be led by the Holy Spirit (our teacher) who shows us, who needs to be introduced to the Lamb, and who needs to be introduced to the Lion. 🙏 "We become all things to all men that we might win them to Christ" (1 Corinthians 9:22)
This whole warrior Christ thing is laughable. Read your fucking bibles.
Turn the other cheek then.
No harm will come to me or my family for we believe in Christ and that he will return. I don’t need to be killing my enemies they are doing a great job of killing themselves while I live and love in gods grace.
There are no shortage of dead believers. Pray that there are those willing to fight while you cower.
Haha cower.
Buddy I’ve fought in war, was wounded and returned home. I remain unvaxxed. Let them come for me. I am scared of no man.
So you'll participate in BS wars overseas and kill at the behest of a corrupt government? Then you are damned.
But when the real enemy is revealed, you're satisfied with sermonizing strangers on the internet? Then you are a coward.
I'm a vet too (assuming that you're not full of shit, 50/50 on that one), and I've done far more than I care to discuss with holier-than-thou losers online.
The only thing laughable here is you.
Cower indeed.
LOL. You have done nothing. You won’t do anything. You’re the one here bashing Christian’s and pretending Jesus was some Rambo..
Maybe you should practice what you preach and "read your fucking bible".
Brush up on reading comprehension while you're at it.
Did you take the vaccine is that your problem?
Not vaccinated, but your melted brain can't help but conflate that into everything for some reason. Pray on it for guidance.
Just admit you have done nothing and will do nothing but act tough online. Good work though
How many people did Jesus kill?
He flipped one table in his entire life and it was the table of those defiling the temple. That’s it. That is the only violent action Jesus took his entire written life.
Don't forget the whip..