PRAYER WARRIORS: If you ever feel discouraged and that your prayers aren't important, that is satan attacking you because they ARE important.
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God gave us free will. So prayer is necessary.
You sound like calvinist with your predetermined talk... God gave us free will. He wants us to choose to love God. Yes there are time you thank God for unanswered prayers and prayers answered
I don't believe his plan can be changed by prayer. This implies he changes his mind, which is at odds with his omniscience. If what you prayed is what He ends up doing, then it was part of His Plan all along, so the prayer was unnecessary. I'm not saying your choices are predetermined though, only certain fates/outcomes. Again I'm not actually aware of what goes on beyond, but logically speaking prayer makes no sense if the intention is to affect the universe.
In my view the prayer exists mainly for the one praying, it's not a factor in what God intended to do all along.
God tells us:
2 Chronicles 7:14
"If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land".
It’s not that He changes His mind.
It’s that if intercession is made, He does one thing, if it is not, He may allow another.
It’s based off what the people who are called by His Name ask of him and how they humble themselves in repentance to Him.
Evil gets a turn, but evil is not stronger. God seems to want us to participate in creation and salvation with Him.
Forgive me for being a poor prayer warrior.
"It’s that if intercession is made, He does one thing, if it is not, He may allow another"
"if" doesn't exist in an omniscient mind. He already decided everything He's going to do before the universe was made.
Your view of Divinity assumes it exists within time and reacts to what you ask or not ask of it.
Divinity created time. Divinity is beyond time. It already decided everything It's going to do.
There is no "if" in the Divine Mind. "If" presupposes ignorance about a future event.
translation: I know what exists in an omniscient mind
Just how confident are you that you know what omniscience is and what God's mind is like?
That’s the Calvinist view, yes.
Each timeline is fixed. I agree.
Now imagine that there are infinite timelines, with all our souls dancing each other between them in a glorious spiritual dance based on everything we all choose.
If I choose X, we go here. If you choose Y, we go there.
It’s why when I say you can blame me for all this mess, I’m right. it’s not that I’m going to steer us to salvation, that’s not my role. I am of myself nothing. It’s that if I wasn’t participating in sin, and had to this point properly allowed the Holy Spirit to work through me, and allowed myself to be led by the Will of God Almighty, where might we be?
We have seen before what one man can do when living out righteousness. We are seeing what one man can do now. It only takes one…
WWG1WGA, fren. Very literally. We are all Him.
John 10:34: Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
They wanted to stone Him for that, on the spot! There’s something important there.
What if God's plan includes him giving you a choice and a decision in how the plan unfolds?
Who is the author of human freedom and human responsibility? This is God. True (real) Love cannot exist without freedom or without responsibility. God is a creator, and he has responsibility for his own creation. For us to be able to relate to God as his children, he gave a portion of that responsibility to us. Only by exercising our freedom and responsibility correctly can we truly resemble, and therefore, both reflect his nature and also embody his nature.
Conclusion: God's plan involves assigning a portion of the responsibility for completion of the plan to his children. This is the reason why Christ is necessary.
God's reactions to your prayer already happened before you were born. His plan(aka fate) is already tailored around all the choices you will make since he already knows that.
As for how I know that "if" doesn't exist in an omniscient mind, because the contrary is impossible. If "if" existed in the omniscient mind, then it has ignorance of a future, which means it wouldn't be omniscient. Why is it so hard for you guys to get this?
Prayer is arrogance ultimately. The greatest proof against it is when it goes unanswered. God's will happens regardless. I'm talking about fate itself, not your free will actions.
For example, praying for Trump's safety let's say. God has already decided in accordance with his nature and plan whether he will protect Trump or not, just like how he decided to NOT protect JFK despite all the millions who prayed for his safety back then I'm sure. God's decision to protect Trump happened before the universe was made. Many prayed for Trump to die(yes, these kinds of Christians exist too), many didn't pray for Trump at all. Trump can only be safe or not safe, therefore one of these things was going to happen, so one "side" of the prayer of war was going to "win" inevitably. God decided to protect Trump before time even existed, before any prayer for Trump's protection was done.
It's like asking someone who has 100% made up his mind on what he's going to do to do something. You don't know what he's going to do, but you do know he has already made his decision. You asking him to do this or that isn't a factor in whether he made that decision or not since he made that decision before you asked him.
If it really was prayer, then every time people pray for a good thing it would happen, yet that's not how reality works.
It's all already written, with your choices in mind. You, a timebound being, did NOT change God's eternal, timeless mind. It requires strong ignorance and pride to think otherwise.
As for embodying God's nature... 99% of people, let alone Christians, fail at that miserably. For one, God is self-aware, Christians/Muslims/Jews are the least self-aware people alive, especially the fundamentalist ones.
I’m not downvoting you, by the way. Would never do that in an honest discussion.
Thanks for this. Petty lurkers downvoting things they don't agree with annoy me as well though. Present an argument instead cowards.