PRAYER WARRIORS: If you ever feel discouraged and that your prayers aren't important, that is satan attacking you because they ARE important.
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It’s not that He changes His mind.
It’s that if intercession is made, He does one thing, if it is not, He may allow another.
It’s based off what the people who are called by His Name ask of him and how they humble themselves in repentance to Him.
Evil gets a turn, but evil is not stronger. God seems to want us to participate in creation and salvation with Him.
Forgive me for being a poor prayer warrior.
"It’s that if intercession is made, He does one thing, if it is not, He may allow another"
"if" doesn't exist in an omniscient mind. He already decided everything He's going to do before the universe was made.
Your view of Divinity assumes it exists within time and reacts to what you ask or not ask of it.
Divinity created time. Divinity is beyond time. It already decided everything It's going to do.
There is no "if" in the Divine Mind. "If" presupposes ignorance about a future event.
translation: I know what exists in an omniscient mind
Just how confident are you that you know what omniscience is and what God's mind is like?
I think one mistake the vast majority of people make is they imagine God in the present tense, as if he's in heaven right now, watching the earth like a TV show and reacting to it in the present, as if he's just sitting there waiting for people to ask of him things and like a genie he fulfills these tasks...
God doesn't just know the end of time, he exists after the end and before it. He's beyond time. He already knows every choice and event in your life and has already decided how that will play out. That doesn't mean you don't have free will, but your understanding of God comes from a misconception, you're visualizing him as if he exists within time, like you and I and therefore talk to him as if he's within time.
His Will is eternal and he knows best. You telling him to do this or that isn't just ignorant, but blasphemous. Who are you to tell God what to do?
Thy will be done should suffice.
That’s the Calvinist view, yes.
Each timeline is fixed. I agree.
Now imagine that there are infinite timelines, with all our souls dancing each other between them in a glorious spiritual dance based on everything we all choose.
If I choose X, we go here. If you choose Y, we go there.
It’s why when I say you can blame me for all this mess, I’m right. it’s not that I’m going to steer us to salvation, that’s not my role. I am of myself nothing. It’s that if I wasn’t participating in sin, and had to this point properly allowed the Holy Spirit to work through me, and allowed myself to be led by the Will of God Almighty, where might we be?
We have seen before what one man can do when living out righteousness. We are seeing what one man can do now. It only takes one…
WWG1WGA, fren. Very literally. We are all Him.
John 10:34: Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
They wanted to stone Him for that, on the spot! There’s something important there.
I wasn't arguing against free will specifically.
I was saying that praying for X is useless because The Divine has already decided what It's going to do before the prayer was made.
What you have to essentially believe is that Divinity might have intended for Y but your praying for X led to X happening instead. This can't possibly be true otherwise that would mean the Divine isn't omniscient.
You cannot change the Divine Plan, whatever it is. Y is going to happen regardless of how many pray for X or how intensely they pray for it.
One more thing. The Divine Plan can work without violating free will, since all the punishments The Divine intends for evil have being pre-planned as well, ordained before creation as justice to evil.
That doesn't mean the actions themselves are controlled, but the reactions by fate were already determined before you were born as the Divine by Its omniscience had foreknowledge of everything you will do and thus has already determined ( I speak in past tense but really Divinity made all these choices beyond time) what your fate will be.
Now if X happens, then X was Y(The Divine Will) anyway, which means you praying for it was unnecessary. It was going to happen whether you prayed for it or not. It just happened that what you prayed for was what the Divine was going to do anyway.
Within any given timeline, you’re correct, but you’re not visualizing what I say correctly.
Why do you think so many people on this board say, “I love this timeline!”
If everything is fixed, and there’s only one timeline, there is no free will, only an illusion of it. Salvation is already determined. Prayers are already determined. God in this situation would have created some of us knowing we would sin our way into hell.
Or.. He puts us here knowing our character, from before we were ever born, and watches to see if we find our way. There are events where He does things. There are some things that may be inevitable under all timelines, but how we arrive at any place is not necessarily a given before we play it out.
Neither of us know which one of our proposals is the way things actually work, but the mechanics of this model are sound, and I like the thought of mine better.
Time is a fourth dimension beyond space. Add choice as a fifth dimension beyond time, with our souls able to move between them. God, then, is somewhere beyond that. It’s just how I think of things, fren. I saw a waking vision of it one day. Doesn’t mean I’m right, but it was beautiful