One is that some military grade plastic explosives were loaded into shipments of pagers, given that Hezbollah were quite open about saying they were gunna use them to foil attempts at Mossad tracking their phones. But, one would expect that peeps would have a good look before using, IDK. do people even check their devices before using them?
The other theory is Edward Snowden's: that Israelis had a way of overwhelming the devices (sending lots of messages at once, or something, so that the batteries overheated.
only the explosives theory makes sense. you don't just not notice that your device is hot enough to make tea.
these were new devices that were all recently acquired for the whole group at once. whoever organized that acquisition was either ignorant or complicit. perfect opportunity to make such an attack, and pagers are the perfect delivery system.
This can be totally done on a software level. All you would have to do know is the operating system and add the bug by a software update. I'm sure you can short the batteries in a way to cause them to explode.
well, no, shorting happens at a hardware level. you literally could not. to overheat them with software would be a gradual build-up of heat. by the time it was ready to blow, it would be uncomfortable to keep in your pocket.
these pagers were definitely wired to blow at the hardware level, and not just using the battery.
The battery in a pager can not possibly explode with the violence seen in these ones even if you did absolutely everything you could to make it fail in a fiery manner. They might burn, but military grade explosives is what everything has shown evidence of so far.
with a basic understanding of how software works, how devices overheat, how pagers work, and the differences between battery fires and explosives... there's really not much room left for discussion. have you seen a battery explode? these pagers went off like firecrackers.
and your argument is based on the idea of a 'short circuit by software'. one of us knows what we're talking about.
I believe Snowden. I actually thought this the moment I heard what happened, and it's the only thing that makes sense. I'm sure they can overwhelm the battery. You would only have to know all of their numbers to do it on a mass scale.
If it is explosives, then I would not worry so much, because it was a planned and targeted attempt, not a mass, as in, millions, undefined target - everybody is an enemy type deal.
If on the other hand it is as Edward Snowdon suggested, then we have a problem - not only with phones but anything running on batteries.
I;m pondering a combination of the two. An explosive with a separate receiver for simultaneous explosion, but something had to provide the heat to trigger the fuse, unless the explosive/receiver also had another gadget attached that overheated the battery. Relying on all the batteries to overheat simultaneously doesn't make sense as each battery has different strengths and weaknesses, just like car batteries (not all Teslas catch on fire simultaneously)
Each pager would have a different ID, and the Israeli's would have to know each ID to ping them independently, which is complicated. It'd be easier to have 1 signal to ping them all at once, to the same receiver in each pager.
https://greatawakening.win/p/1994yPbEAb/interesting-update-on-how-the-mo/c/
There are two theories.
One is that some military grade plastic explosives were loaded into shipments of pagers, given that Hezbollah were quite open about saying they were gunna use them to foil attempts at Mossad tracking their phones. But, one would expect that peeps would have a good look before using, IDK. do people even check their devices before using them?
The other theory is Edward Snowden's: that Israelis had a way of overwhelming the devices (sending lots of messages at once, or something, so that the batteries overheated.
only the explosives theory makes sense. you don't just not notice that your device is hot enough to make tea.
these were new devices that were all recently acquired for the whole group at once. whoever organized that acquisition was either ignorant or complicit. perfect opportunity to make such an attack, and pagers are the perfect delivery system.
Agreed.
This can be totally done on a software level. All you would have to do know is the operating system and add the bug by a software update. I'm sure you can short the batteries in a way to cause them to explode.
well, no, shorting happens at a hardware level. you literally could not. to overheat them with software would be a gradual build-up of heat. by the time it was ready to blow, it would be uncomfortable to keep in your pocket.
these pagers were definitely wired to blow at the hardware level, and not just using the battery.
Agreed.
Anyone who has ever repaired electronics (I have) would know that an internal lithium battery pack is a fairly generic silver foil wrapped package.
It would be trivial to swap out the original battery package with a hybrid explosive/ battery pack, which upon inspection would look perfectly normal.
But it would need to pass a potential xray inspection, so internal electronics would be limited.
A simple over voltage could melt a tiny fuse and cause a short circuit. Then boom.
Ever see what wire wool held to a 9V battery can do?
wouldn't even need to be that advanced. this is a pager, not a phone. no brains, no screen.... theres a ton of spare room in there to hide a bomb.
As far as you know.
The battery in a pager can not possibly explode with the violence seen in these ones even if you did absolutely everything you could to make it fail in a fiery manner. They might burn, but military grade explosives is what everything has shown evidence of so far.
with a basic understanding of how software works, how devices overheat, how pagers work, and the differences between battery fires and explosives... there's really not much room left for discussion. have you seen a battery explode? these pagers went off like firecrackers.
and your argument is based on the idea of a 'short circuit by software'. one of us knows what we're talking about.
I believe Snowden. I actually thought this the moment I heard what happened, and it's the only thing that makes sense. I'm sure they can overwhelm the battery. You would only have to know all of their numbers to do it on a mass scale.
This is true, as well.
So like I said, there are two theories.
What we really need to ponder is that if they can do that to them , what can they do to us?
If it is explosives, then I would not worry so much, because it was a planned and targeted attempt, not a mass, as in, millions, undefined target - everybody is an enemy type deal.
If on the other hand it is as Edward Snowdon suggested, then we have a problem - not only with phones but anything running on batteries.
Ya mean, like ... cars?
Agreed
They can inject us all with Bluetooth addresses and program lethal 5G from towers to track us and take us out?
I;m pondering a combination of the two. An explosive with a separate receiver for simultaneous explosion, but something had to provide the heat to trigger the fuse, unless the explosive/receiver also had another gadget attached that overheated the battery. Relying on all the batteries to overheat simultaneously doesn't make sense as each battery has different strengths and weaknesses, just like car batteries (not all Teslas catch on fire simultaneously)
A signal, to a device loaded with explosives, then.
Each pager would have a different ID, and the Israeli's would have to know each ID to ping them independently, which is complicated. It'd be easier to have 1 signal to ping them all at once, to the same receiver in each pager.
They got the communication bill for all the pagers
They FAFO
Too soon
Apparently, a couple members of Hezbollah discovered the threat, and the Israelis had to blow them early before the rest of Hezbollah could be warned.
There will be people wanting one of these pagers for personal use...
A signal was sent out that turned the pager on and off at rapid intervals overheating the batteries and causing them to explode.
More on the exposives theory:
https://x.com/gumby4christ/status/1836160303337226713
Pentex and a trigger message like "72 Virgins" and BOOM!!
Personally I would make the explosive part of the battery and have it be temperature sensitive.