Unless there is a video of Biden sitting at the computer and electronically signing each of these... then yes, they can be contested as being invalid. Biden is documented as having dementia. Anyone could have electronically signed Biden's name to these pardons, including Jill Biden or a staff member.
If there's not proof that Joe Biden signed these, while he is of sound mind... then they are invalid legally.
A term I hadn't heard for a while. Interesting result from ChatGPT:
The legality of robosignatures (automated or forged signatures) depends on the context and jurisdiction, but generally, they are illegal and can lead to significant legal consequences.
What are Robosignatures?
A robosignature occurs when a person, often with the help of automation or in some cases, without actually reviewing documents, signs off on legal papers such as foreclosure documents, loan documents, or other official contracts. This can happen in large volumes in industries like finance or real estate, where employees may be pressured to sign large numbers of documents quickly, sometimes without reading or verifying the information.
Legal Concerns and Implications
Fraud and Forgery: Robosignatures are considered fraudulent if the person who signs a document is not actually reviewing it or if they are signing on behalf of someone else without authority. In many jurisdictions, forging a signature or knowingly submitting documents with false information can be considered fraud or forgery, which are criminal offenses.
Court Challenges: In legal proceedings, documents containing robosignatures can be challenged in court. If a party is found to have used robosignatures, the affected party can potentially seek to have the document invalidated. This has been a significant issue in foreclosures, where robosignatures were used to quickly process large numbers of foreclosure cases without adequate review, leading to wrongful evictions and other serious consequences.
Regulatory Actions: In the U.S., the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), and other regulatory bodies have taken action against institutions that engaged in practices involving robosignatures, particularly during the 2008 financial crisis. Many major banks were fined for using robosignatures in mortgage-related documents.
Impact on Contracts: Even if a robosignature is not immediately challenged in court, it can undermine the legitimacy of contracts. If a contract is based on fraudulent documentation, it could be ruled unenforceable or subject to legal disputes.
Specific Examples
Foreclosures: During the 2008 financial crisis, several banks and mortgage servicers were caught using robosignatures for foreclosure documents, where employees would sign hundreds of documents a day without verifying the information.
Loan Documents: In the loan industry, especially in the case of mortgage servicers, robosignatures were used to speed up the signing of documents related to loan modifications, leading to a series of legal battles over the validity of the loans.
Conclusion
Robosignatures are generally illegal and can lead to legal action, contract invalidation, and fines for institutions that use them. The specific legal consequences depend on the jurisdiction and the nature of the fraudulent action, but in many places, it's considered an unlawful practice. Always ensure that documents are signed by authorized individuals who have thoroughly reviewed the content to avoid any legal complications.
Me: Does a presidential pardon have to be hand signed?
Key Points:
Presidential Pardon Process:
A pardon is an official act by the president, and it typically includes a formal statement, often issued in writing.
The pardon is granted through a proclamation, and the president may either personally sign this proclamation or authorize someone to sign on their behalf.
In practice, the president usually signs the pardon document, but the law doesn’t mandate a handwritten signature.
Legal Validity:
The validity of a pardon is primarily based on the intent of the president to grant the pardon, and the act is considered effective once issued.
The signature (handwritten or otherwise) serves as an official indicator of the president’s intent to pardon, but what truly matters is the formal proclamation of the pardon.
Historically, there have been instances where the president's staff or a representative might draft the pardon proclamation, but the president still typically signs it.
Electronic Signatures:
While less common, electronic signatures or stamped signatures have become more widely accepted in official and legal documents. However, the formality and tradition of a handwritten signature are often maintained in the case of a presidential pardon.
Historical Precedents:
In the past, some pardons have been granted with the president’s signature being affixed either in a traditional manner (handwritten) or through other formal means.
For example, President Gerald Ford issued a controversial pardon for Richard Nixon using a formal document signed by Ford, but there was no legal requirement that the pardon had to be hand-signed.
Conclusion:
While a hand-signed presidential pardon is the standard, it is not a constitutional requirement for the pardon to be valid. The critical factor is that the president has granted the pardon and that it is formally issued through a proclamation, which may or may not involve a hand signature.
Treason, as defined in Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution, is the only federal crime with explicit limitations on pardons.
The president cannot pardon someone convicted of treason without Congress's consent.
Congress has the authority to declare the punishment for treason, but no attainder shall affect the descendants or involve forfeiture beyond the convict's lifetime.
While the president can pardon a convicted individual, the power does not extend to altering the consequences of treason, such as revoking the punishment or affecting the convict's heirs.
The death penalty remains a possible consequence for acts of treason.
And what was Trump just talking about? Death penalty for treason.
He likely didnt sign them they are probably all photo copies or digital copes not actual signatures. So yes the pardons will be reversed on that alone. He also has dementia which means the pardons are invalid because you cannot make those decisions when you are not at full capacity. If all that doesnt work prove 2020 was stolen and reverse everything Biden did before you throw everyone in prison. Biden himself has a defense if he had dementia but the rest wont have that defence.
Unless there is a video of Biden sitting at the computer and electronically signing each of these... then yes, they can be contested as being invalid. Biden is documented as having dementia. Anyone could have electronically signed Biden's name to these pardons, including Jill Biden or a staff member.
If there's not proof that Joe Biden signed these, while he is of sound mind... then they are invalid legally.
let's get them to testify about the crimes before we tell them they aren't protected.
Robosigned pardons.
How wonderful.
A term I hadn't heard for a while. Interesting result from ChatGPT:
The legality of robosignatures (automated or forged signatures) depends on the context and jurisdiction, but generally, they are illegal and can lead to significant legal consequences.
What are Robosignatures? A robosignature occurs when a person, often with the help of automation or in some cases, without actually reviewing documents, signs off on legal papers such as foreclosure documents, loan documents, or other official contracts. This can happen in large volumes in industries like finance or real estate, where employees may be pressured to sign large numbers of documents quickly, sometimes without reading or verifying the information.
Legal Concerns and Implications Fraud and Forgery: Robosignatures are considered fraudulent if the person who signs a document is not actually reviewing it or if they are signing on behalf of someone else without authority. In many jurisdictions, forging a signature or knowingly submitting documents with false information can be considered fraud or forgery, which are criminal offenses.
Court Challenges: In legal proceedings, documents containing robosignatures can be challenged in court. If a party is found to have used robosignatures, the affected party can potentially seek to have the document invalidated. This has been a significant issue in foreclosures, where robosignatures were used to quickly process large numbers of foreclosure cases without adequate review, leading to wrongful evictions and other serious consequences.
Regulatory Actions: In the U.S., the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), and other regulatory bodies have taken action against institutions that engaged in practices involving robosignatures, particularly during the 2008 financial crisis. Many major banks were fined for using robosignatures in mortgage-related documents.
Impact on Contracts: Even if a robosignature is not immediately challenged in court, it can undermine the legitimacy of contracts. If a contract is based on fraudulent documentation, it could be ruled unenforceable or subject to legal disputes.
Specific Examples Foreclosures: During the 2008 financial crisis, several banks and mortgage servicers were caught using robosignatures for foreclosure documents, where employees would sign hundreds of documents a day without verifying the information.
Loan Documents: In the loan industry, especially in the case of mortgage servicers, robosignatures were used to speed up the signing of documents related to loan modifications, leading to a series of legal battles over the validity of the loans.
Conclusion Robosignatures are generally illegal and can lead to legal action, contract invalidation, and fines for institutions that use them. The specific legal consequences depend on the jurisdiction and the nature of the fraudulent action, but in many places, it's considered an unlawful practice. Always ensure that documents are signed by authorized individuals who have thoroughly reviewed the content to avoid any legal complications.
Me: Does a presidential pardon have to be hand signed?
Key Points: Presidential Pardon Process:
A pardon is an official act by the president, and it typically includes a formal statement, often issued in writing. The pardon is granted through a proclamation, and the president may either personally sign this proclamation or authorize someone to sign on their behalf. In practice, the president usually signs the pardon document, but the law doesn’t mandate a handwritten signature. Legal Validity:
The validity of a pardon is primarily based on the intent of the president to grant the pardon, and the act is considered effective once issued. The signature (handwritten or otherwise) serves as an official indicator of the president’s intent to pardon, but what truly matters is the formal proclamation of the pardon. Historically, there have been instances where the president's staff or a representative might draft the pardon proclamation, but the president still typically signs it. Electronic Signatures:
While less common, electronic signatures or stamped signatures have become more widely accepted in official and legal documents. However, the formality and tradition of a handwritten signature are often maintained in the case of a presidential pardon. Historical Precedents:
In the past, some pardons have been granted with the president’s signature being affixed either in a traditional manner (handwritten) or through other formal means. For example, President Gerald Ford issued a controversial pardon for Richard Nixon using a formal document signed by Ford, but there was no legal requirement that the pardon had to be hand-signed. Conclusion: While a hand-signed presidential pardon is the standard, it is not a constitutional requirement for the pardon to be valid. The critical factor is that the president has granted the pardon and that it is formally issued through a proclamation, which may or may not involve a hand signature.
thanks
TREASON
Treason, as defined in Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution, is the only federal crime with explicit limitations on pardons.
The president cannot pardon someone convicted of treason without Congress's consent.
Congress has the authority to declare the punishment for treason, but no attainder shall affect the descendants or involve forfeiture beyond the convict's lifetime.
While the president can pardon a convicted individual, the power does not extend to altering the consequences of treason, such as revoking the punishment or affecting the convict's heirs.
The death penalty remains a possible consequence for acts of treason.
And what was Trump just talking about? Death penalty for treason.
Considering Biden doesnt know what he has signed. Did he actually sign pardons?
Sounds like a great sting in progress.
Anyone could have pressed enter on the computer to attach the electronic signature.
Funny...my signature is never the exact same twice, even if I try.
He likely didnt sign them they are probably all photo copies or digital copes not actual signatures. So yes the pardons will be reversed on that alone. He also has dementia which means the pardons are invalid because you cannot make those decisions when you are not at full capacity. If all that doesnt work prove 2020 was stolen and reverse everything Biden did before you throw everyone in prison. Biden himself has a defense if he had dementia but the rest wont have that defence.
If you want to check, Trump's signatures on every pardon he signed during his first term appear to be slightly different and were probably signed in wet ink by hand by Trump himself. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021#Jan192021