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Has anyone heard that the IRS is a private corporation, located in Puerto Rico? I have done some research on this but can't find anything except it's a division of the Department of Treasury.
posted 1 year ago by Dumbpassword 1 year ago by Dumbpassword +56 / -0

I heard it was like the Federal Reserve and privately held.

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– makemyday007 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

That’s kind of interesting because (correct me if I’m wrong), but I heard if you live in Puerto Rico for six months out of the year, you don’t have to pay taxes at a federal level.

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– MAG768720 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Today, Puerto Rico has its own income tax code. It is a duplicate of the US federal income tax code, but with some differences, and is only for the people living in Puerto Rico.

Puerto Ricans do not pay US federal income tax, but they pay Puerto Rico income tax instead, which is the same as US federal, but also includes an extra surtax because they seem to think they should also pay the equivalent of a "state" income tax, too.

One of the differences, though, is a specific provision to be taxed very low or not at all for certain people who meet certain requirements.

Move to Puerto Rico, meet the requirements, and you pay no tax (or low tax).

Problem: Who the hell wants to live in Puerto Rico with its massive violent crime problem?

A VERY interesting side note to all of this:

The US federal income tax does not apply to US citizens or residents who live in the 50 states.

Look up the definition of "US citizen or resident" in the tax code, and you will find that it refers to a definition for "United States." Look that up, and you will find that it ONLY defines "United States" as the "District of Columbia."

Now, go back and trace that definition for "United States" all the way back to 1913, and all the revisions going forward in time to today.

The original 1913 code defined "United States" as "Alaska, District of Columbia, Philippine Islands, and Porto Rico."

Alaska became a US territory in 1912. It was not a state (yet). So, all of these locations were US territories in 1913 (Philippine Islands and Porto Rico were acquired from Spain after the Spanish-American War).

Later, the Philippine Islands was given independence (and became the Philippines), so that was removed from the IRC definition.

Later still, Hawaii became a territory, and it was added to the definition.

Later still, Alaska became a state and it was removed from the definition of "United States."

Later still, Hawaii became a state and it was also removed.

And then Porto Rico (Congress had spelled it wrong from the beginning -- lol) was given its own unique tax code, no longer part of the US federal income tax, so it was also removed.

Today, the only entry under the definition for "United States" (citizen or resident) is "District of Columbia."

If you live there, or have income from there, the US federal income tax code applies to you -- just like if you live or have income from Puerto Rico, their code applies to you (and you report it on Form 1040-PR).

Otherwise, the entire Internal Revenue Code does not apply to you.

Fun fact!

Do the research, and be amazed.

BTW: The reason this MUST be so is due to the Constitution. Congress does not have any authority to impose an income tax within the 50 states under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 (1:8:1). So, they have done it under 1:8:17 and 4:3:2, both of which refer to Congress' exclusive jurisdiction within the federal territories, which does not apply to the states. Prior to 1939, the US Code of Federal Regulations defined "gross income" as "income ... exluded by law, or otherwise not taxable under the Constition." They changed that definition, but it is still there if you know how to read between the lines.

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– makemyday007 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Wow great info , thank you.

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– 1baldeagle 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Good post..very interesting.

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– TaQo 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Yes ... STRAWMAN lives in DC if he agrees to be a "US Citizen"

That Finger pointing tho

https://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-irs-headquarters-maryland/

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– MAG768720 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

I'll give you a couple of leads to follow. These are things I have read or heard, but never had the time to verify, so ...

(1) Federal Reserve changed from a trust to a corporation in 1927 (I believe this was because the business trust back then could only exist for 20 years, and had to be renewed every 20 years.

In 1791, the Bank of the United States was the first central bank. It would expire in 1811. Congress would not renew, and I believe that was the real reason for the War of 1812.

In 1816, the Second Bank of the United States was created, due to expire in 1836. Andrew Jackson would not allow it, and the bankers tried to kill him. But he prevailed, and no central bank.

In 1913, the third attempt was the Federal Reserve, but it was also a trust. I think they switched to a corporation in 1927 to avoid ever having to deal with this again (it would have been up for renewal in 1933 -- the year they stole the gold, via FDR).

In 1931, the Federal Reserve, Inc. (still a privately operated business) formed a subsidiary corporation called the Department of Treasury, Inc.

In 1933, the Department of Treasury, Inc. formed its own subsidiary called the Internal Revenue Tax and Audit Service, Inc. I believe the name was changed to Internal Revenue Service.

If you see that the IRS is part the Department of Treasury, that is true. But they really mean it is a subsidiary of the Federal Reserve's subsidary, and NOT a government department of the United States Treasury.

See if it says specifically "United States Treasury" or leaves that out.

I have heard that they moved the HQ of IRS to Puerto Rico, where it supposedly is still HQ (with an office in Washington, DC and other cities).

(2) There is an official "Government of the United States Manual" (not sure if that is the exact name), which details many things about the official specifics of many things. In there, it mentions the IRS in Puerto Rico.

However, they took out that reference around the late 1990's or 2000's. If you get a copy from the mid-1990's, it is supposed to be in there. This book is published by the government printing office in Pueblo, Colorado. If you can identify the actual name and get a copy from 1994-1996 or so, it should be in there, from what I have heard.

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– Malachi3vs16 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

excellent research, especially on transformation of Fed. Reserve from trust to corporation!

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– MAG768720 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

There were a lot of US Supreme Court cases from 1895 to about 1920, which all had to do with income tax laws passed by Congress, defining what "income" means under the law and Constitution, and also having to do with the "new concept" of a corporation.

In the past, a corporation (an artificial entity with limited liability) was ONLY allowed by approval of the king.

Christopher Columbus' voyage was funded via a corporation, chartered by the king (and maybe queen, as well).

Average Joe could not form a corporation. It required government (king's) approval.

The USA brought English law to America, including this.

So, Average Joe used either a sole proprietorship or partnership for business. But more sophisticated people used the business trust.

Rockefeller's Standard Oil Company was a business trust. This is why the terms "anti-trust" and "trust busting" became a thing when they wanted to break up his monopoly on oil/gasoline.

During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, states started creating laws to allow Average Joe to ask the state (since there was no king) for permission to create a corporation.

Not all states would allow this, at first. And some states were very restrictive. Massachusetts had a law that corporations could not own real estate. This is why the business trust is sometimes called a "Massachusetts" or "common law" trust.

As corporations gained popularity, they became the go-to legal entity for business. I would not be surprised if the criminal cabal put this all together so they could eventually have their own corporations rather than business trusts, which could usually only last for 20 years as a practical matter (there were exceptions, but 20 years was the preferred term). Of course, corporations can last forever.

In 1977, Wyoming created the first LLC, and most other states would not recognize it at first. Today, it is the preferred legal entity, but it went through a very similar process to get there as the corporation did 100+ years ago.

Today, the business trust still exists and most lawyers do not understand them (because trust law is not really taught in law schools anymore -- they barely scratch the surface and do not teach business trusts at all). This can make them the best legal entity for some purposes.

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– Malachi3vs16 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

thanks for sharing the history! I knew a little, your Writing placed in perspective of how Columbus had to ask the king of Spain … added a lot of depth for me!

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– Dumbpassword [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Thank you!

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– The3rdKey 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

You should try asking Grok to quickly debunk this kind of thing. I asked it your question and it wants to track down the source of the rumor.

Here's what it said... No, there’s no truth to the rumor that the IRS is a private corporation based in Puerto Rico. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is a government agency of the United States, established under the U.S. Department of the Treasury by an act of Congress in 1862. Its purpose is to administer and enforce federal tax laws, collect taxes, and ensure compliance with the Internal Revenue Code. It’s headquartered in Washington, D.C., not Puerto Rico, and it’s not a private entity—it’s a fully public, federal institution.

This rumor likely stems from misinformation or conspiracy theories that circulate online, sometimes pointing to the IRS’s operational details (like regional offices or historical quirks) or misinterpreting its legal structure. For example, some might confuse the IRS with private debt collection agencies it occasionally contracts, which are separate entities regulated under federal law (see the IRS’s Private Debt Collection program, authorized by Congress). Others might latch onto the fact that Puerto Rico has its own tax system for residents, but that’s unrelated to the IRS’s status or location.

If you’d like, I can search the web or X posts to track down where this specific rumor might be coming from and debunk it further with sources. Let me know!

I hope that help fren.

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– Dumbpassword [S] 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Thank you, fren! I still don't trust Grok or other AI, which is why I don't ask😆 This answer sounds very similar to Wikipedia, which I suspect is also AI generated. But, since I couldn't find this anywhere else, I thought it might not be true. I appreciate your help!

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– Bowster 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

I agree. Grok just spits out the same lies.

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– cyberrigger 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

do not talk to machines

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– MAG768720 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Which databases did Elon program Grok to pull its data from?

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– The3rdKey 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

I think that it can search the whole net.

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– MAG768720 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

That's what they say.

But how many web pages are linked to the internet?

Trillions?

And how many of them have information that contradicts each other?

I don't care how powerful any computer is, it will never be able to access EVERY website and database on the internet, compile all the data/information, and then spit out an answer within seconds.

Some of the results will be contradictory, which means it will not fit the narrative that the central planners want. Even if it could do such a thing, some websites change every day.

Gonna go back and scrape them again? Gonna do it and spit out an answer in seconds?

Nope.

And what about stealing other people's copyrighted information?

Illegal.

Won't happen -- not without massive lawsuits.

Therefore ...

We are TOLD it can do something that it can't/won't.

These computers MUST have some built-in programming that directs them to SPECIFIC ... and APPROVED ... databases/websites, and excludes 99.9% of them.

Over time, the list of approved sources of "data" will become more and more limited -- because they will want more and more control over what you think (as they always have).

Wikipedia .com = approved.

ConspiraciesAreUs .com = not approved.

Thus ... quick answers.

More importantly ... approved narrative.

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– The3rdKey 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

I get ya, but it's way more useful than any search engine and it writes awesome code. Much better than ChatGPT. I write software for a living so maybe it just aligns well with my world.

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– Bowster 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

You have to dig deep, ignor Grok and the like and you will find the anwers... Here is a snippet of truth aligning with your question.

The IRS is a private corporation and was located in Puerto Rico. The operation in Puerto Rico was discovered and all the credit that could be hypothecated... ...had been siphoned off, so it was time for the parasites to move on ---- to an exactly similar situation in the Northern Mariana Islands-

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– Bowster 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Trump is president/CEO of the United States of America, Incorported. A subcontractor hired to perform certain government services.

The CIA is a subcontractor of that government subcontractor - neither one of these are actually part of our government.

FEMA, BATF, IRS, and all the rest of the alphabet soup agencies and many "departments" are subcontractors of subcontractors.

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– Malachi3vs16 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

yes, Dan Meador Memorandum and Veritas issue #6 https://www.supremelaw.org/authors/cooper/index.htm

Technically might have been a trust organization, then incorporated?

After the Spanish - American War the US Treasury Secretary took a couple of trust funds for Philippines and Puerto Rico and created IRS and BATF.

Arizona resident Wayne Bentson taught how to do Freedom of Information Act request and Mark and Tina Terry also did radio broadcast on findings, allinthe ‘90s.

https://soundcloud.com/hour-of-the-time/659-7-21-95-tina-and-mark

Wayne B. https://www.bitchute.com/video/wBGPJhKxB0ya/

About incorporation, I forget the steps taken for that, but attorneys don’t like common people knowing much about trusts and how the government and the wealthy use them, so I think the IRS “trust” was incorporated at some time.

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– Dumbpassword [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Thank you!

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– Malachi3vs16 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

welcome, Wayne B. got in trouble with the tax judges but that’s what happens when people get close to the truth and try to educate people

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– Zromrlhzrd 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Just like the federal reserve is a private bank

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– WTFChuck 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

https:// www.amazon.com/Great-Income-Tax-Hoax/dp/B001H4EAFO

See the works of Irwin Schiff ; connect the above broken link for one of them

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