There have been a few people on here who have expressed belief that the Civil War was started because of State Rights and the Federal Government infringing on those rights.
This is provably false.
- The Southern Democrats actually wanted Federal intervention. They wanted to federalize slavery and give new federal protections for slave owners. When the Nothern Democrat's candidate won (who wanted slavery to remain a state by state issue) the Southern Democrats protested the vote.
There is no getting around this key evidence.
Key Points
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Research suggests Southern Democrats walked out of the 1860 Democratic National Convention due to disagreements over slavery protection in territories.
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The evidence leans toward the Civil War being more about slavery than states’ rights, given Southern demands for federal intervention. Background
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The 1860 Democratic National Convention, held in Charleston, South Carolina, saw a significant split between Northern and Southern Democrats, primarily over the issue of slavery. This event is crucial for understanding the political tensions leading to the Civil War.
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The Northern Democrats, especially during the antebellum period (pre-Civil War), were a faction of the Democratic Party that often supported the idea of “popular sovereignty.” This concept, championed by figures like Stephen Douglas, held that the decision to allow or prohibit slavery in a new state or territory should be left to the settlers of that region, rather than dictated by the federal government.
The Walkout
- Southern Democrats walked out because the convention failed to adopt a platform that included strong federal protection for slavery in the territories. They demanded that the federal government actively support slaveholders’ rights, which was at odds with the Northern Democrats’ preference for popular sovereignty, allowing territories to decide on slavery.
Implications for the Civil War
- This walkout challenges the myth that the Civil War was about states’ rights, as it shows the South sought federal intervention to protect slavery, not less federal involvement. This unexpected detail highlights how the conflict was rooted in slavery’s expansion, not just state autonomy.
Historical Context and Event Details
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The 1860 Democratic National Convention convened on April 23, 1860, in Charleston, South Carolina, a city emblematic of Southern interests and pro-slavery sentiment. The convention was marked by deep divisions within the Democratic Party, reflecting broader national tensions over slavery’s expansion into new territories. Stephen A. Douglas, a Northern Democrat, was the front-runner for the presidential nomination, advocating for popular sovereignty, which allowed territories to decide on slavery through local votes. This stance, however, was unacceptable to many Southern delegates, who sought a stronger federal guarantee for slavery’s protection.
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The Southern delegates, led by figures such as William Lowndes Yancey of Alabama, a prominent “Fire-Eater” and advocate for Southern rights, insisted on a platform that re-affirmed the 1856 Cincinnati platform and included explicit federal protection for slave property in the territories. This demand was rooted in recent legal and political developments, such as the 1857 Dred Scott decision, which suggested federal support for slavery in territories, and the ongoing debates over the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854, which had already inflamed sectional tensions.
Reasons for the Walkout
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The walkout occurred on April 30, 1860, when the convention failed to adopt the Southern-preferred platform. Historical records, including the official proceedings of the convention (Official proceedings of the Democratic National Convention, held in 1860, at Charleston and Baltimore), detail that the Southern delegates, particularly from states like Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas, withdrew because the adopted platform was seen as an “almost exclusive sectional vote,” not representing the majority and failing to embody Southern Democracy’s views on slavery. Key reasons included:
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The convention’s refusal to assert that territories could not legislate against slavery, a principle the Southern delegates deemed essential. The denial of the federal government’s duty to protect slave owners’ property in the territories, a stance they believed was constitutionally mandated. The Alabama delegation, for instance, was instructed by their state convention on January 11, 1860, to withdraw if the national platform did not align with their resolutions, which emphasized federal protection of slavery (Speech of the Hon. William L. Yancey, of Alabama). William Yancey’s speech on April 28, 1860, at the convention, is particularly illuminating. He appealed to the “sovereign states of the Union” to accept a Southern platform, warning of disunion if Northern Democrats did not protect Southern rights. His rhetoric underscored the Southern belief that federal action was necessary to safeguard slavery, contradicting the states’ rights narrative.
Analysis of the Walkout’s Meaning
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The walkout had profound implications for the Democratic Party and the nation. It led to a split, with the Northern Democrats nominating Douglas in a subsequent convention in Baltimore, while the Southern Democrats held their own convention and nominated John C. Breckinridge. This division contributed to Abraham Lincoln’s election, as the Democratic vote was fragmented, and ultimately to Southern secession and the Civil War.
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The event is critical for dispelling the myth that the Civil War was primarily about states’ rights. The Southern delegates’ demand for federal protection of slavery in the territories directly contradicts the idea that they sought to limit federal power. Instead, they advocated for federal intervention to enforce slavery, as seen in their support for measures like the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 and the Dred Scott decision. This demand for federalizing slavery — ensuring the federal government actively supported and protected the institution — undermines the states’ rights argument, which posits that states should have autonomy over such matters without federal interference.
Evidence Against the States’ Rights Myth
- Further evidence supporting this interpretation includes historical documents such as the Declaration of Causes of Seceding States, which emphasized federal failures to protect slavery rather than states’ rights (The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States). The Southern states’ insistence on federal enforcement of slavery, as seen in the Compromise of 1850, also highlights their willingness to use federal power when it served their interests. This pattern suggests that the Civil War was more about preserving and expanding slavery than defending state autonomy, aligning with the user’s observation that if it were truly about states’ rights, the South would not have sought federal intervention.
Conclusion
- The Southern Democrats’ walkout in 1860 was a pivotal moment that revealed their prioritization of federal protection for slavery over states’ rights. This event, documented in primary sources from the Library of Congress and other archives, provides compelling evidence that the Civil War was fundamentally about slavery, not state autonomy. By demanding federal intervention, the South contradicted the myth, aligning with the user’s intent to dispel it.
Key Citations
Official proceedings of the Democratic National Convention, held in 1860, at Charleston and Baltimore Speech of the Hon. William L. Yancey, of Alabama: delivered in the National Democratic convention, Charleston, April 28th, 1860 Library of Congress 1860 Democratic National Conventions
Who controlled the Atlantic slave Trade and who owned the highest percentage of slaves in America? This answer leads you to who was behind the most dividing conflict in American History.
Would you like me to write an article on this? Check my other articles I enjoy writing about history thats not in the books
Alreaady been done:
https://archive.org/details/the-secret-relationship-between-blacks-and-jews-volume-1/
Cool, i will read this and check it to determine how factual it is.
The more real History we learn, the better we can avoid the mistakes of the past. Lead on MacDuff.
I'm having trouble actually getting evidence for what you are alluding to unless you agree with the statement below: Initial research seems to suggest European powers, mainly Britain and France, were primarily responsible for control of the Atlantic slave trade.
I assume you are implying Jews? Jews, while involved in the war on both sides (with estimates of 7,000 serving the Union and 3,000 the Confederacy
I've come across evidence multiple times in multiple sources. Portugal was the Country of origin for the Slave Ship Ownership. They controlled the trade for over 200 years. You can trace the origin of the first Synagogue in the USA next to where Slave trading took place. If I remember correctly, this evidence came out of a Jewish Encyclopedia. Less than 1% of Christian Homes owned Slaves. Over 40% of Jewish homes owned slaves. The fact that this information has been kept from the public is troublesome.
Okay, can you cite anything to support these claims? So I can look into it
Not at the moment but if you give me a few days, I can search for it.
Can I DM you a link?
Yes please
Its a high number. Something like 6 million or so. 😉
And don’t forget cotton. Wars are always about money and power. Cotton was the money. In abundance in the south of course.
The Industrial Revolution Shifted Economic Power Away from the South By the mid-19th century
The South Attacked the First
Didn’t say it was an power grab. Wars always have more than one meaning to why it happens in the first place. Always. Cotton was a factor for the south.
This is an AI overview, just a sum up for cotton alone. AI Overview
“During the Civil War, the North tried to regulate cotton through tariffs, permits, and a blockade. Tariffs Walker tariff: In 1846, the Walker tariff taxed cotton textiles at 25%. The tariff also taxed chemicals, nails, and hemp and flax manufactures. Permits The Treasury Department required permits to purchase cotton in the Confederate states. This system was corrupt, especially in the Mississippi Valley. Blockade Union forces blockaded Confederate ports to stop the export of cotton and the smuggling of war supplies. Purpose The North's goal was to weaken the South's economy and deprive it of its financing power. The North needed cotton for its textile mills. Impact The North's efforts to regulate cotton were complicated by the fact that Confederate cotton could be sold in Britain and then shipped back to the North. This allowed the South to evade the Union blockade”
As I said, cotton WAS a factor.
What was the main reason though? It wasn't state rights. I'm sure cotton issues worsened tensions. It wasn't the reason for war though.
It was just one of many. As all wars are. The main issue? History will tell you slavery. And maybe it was. But what I ask of people today is, what’s different from then till now? Look at last night assembly. Where’s the unity? There is as much hostile and separation as it was during the time of the civil war. No one won that war. We’re still there. The election win of Lincoln pretty much just set the south off its rails. No difference than what happens today. Sides are chosen. And war begins. Just like today. Nothing has changed. Slavery is still a thing. How many billions…trillions off the American tax payer? The saying “the more things change, the more they stay the same”. That’s exactly right. Only their names have changed. We are still at war. For all the same reasons.
I agree with you but this entire thread was misdirection and Strawman. The post is specifically to combat people claiming that the main reason for the war was state rights.
Well, it was associated I suppose. I think the whole meaning of why I mentioned cotton was the reference to “main reason”. As I’ve mentioned, there are always many reasons. But yea I agree with you, states right, I don’t feel, was a main topic of war. I could be wrong of course. I used to have a history teacher that was an expert in the civil war. Was recognized several times locally and state. Eventually working at a very pristine museum to teach people about the Civil War. And I wished I would have listened to him on these matters better. I just remember him always bringing the real information and going against what people had formed into their heads. Was a big problem down south. We’d go over the books, and then he do a Paul Harvey. “Now let me you tell the rest of the story.” An amazing historian he was.
Yes history just like modern day is very complicated and muddy. There are many aspects
You want to really boil it down it was the banks as it is in all wars.
Can you provide LOC or other citations which, can be used as a foundation for this argument? Its a believable assertion, but I go based on evidence.
Unfortunately we live under Revisionist-History. Not Reality. Today others can see it when you look at the documentaries on TV rewriting the narratives daily.
"It is with the Southern leaders of this civil war as with the big and small wheels of our railroad cars. Those who ignore the laws of mechanics are apt to think that the large, strong, and noisy wheels they see are the motive power, but they are mistaken. The real motive power is not seen; it is noiseless and well concealed in the dark, behind its iron walls. The motive power are the few well-concealed pails of water heated into steam, which is itself directed by the noiseless, small but unerring engineer's finger."
"The common people see and hear the big, noisy wheels of the Southern Confederacy's cars; they call they Jeff Davis, Lee, Toombs, Beauregard, Semmes, ect., and they honestly think that they are the motive power, the first cause of our troubles. But this is a mistake. The true motive power is secreted behind the thick walls of the Vatican, the colleges and schools of the Jesuits, the convents of the nuns, and the confessional boxes of Rome."
"There is a fact which is too much ignored by the American people, and with which I am acquainted only since I became President; it is that the best, the leading families of the South have received their education in great part, if not in whole, from the Jesuits and the nuns. Hence those degrading principles of slavery, pride, cruelty, which are as a second nature among so many of those people. Hence that strange want of fair play, humanity; that implacable hatred against the ideas of equality and liberty as we find them in the Gospel of Christ. You do not ignore that the first settlers of Louisiana, Florida, New Mexico, Texas, South California and Missouri were Roman Catholics, and that their first teachers were Jesuits. It is true that those states have been conquered or bought by us since. But Rome had put the deadly virus of her antisocial and anti-Christian maxims into the veins of the people before they became American citizens. Unfortunately, the Jesuits and the nuns have in great part remained the teachers of those people since. They have continued in a silent, but most efficacious way, to spread their hatred against our institutions, our laws, our schools, our rights and our liberties in such a way that this terrible conflict became unavoidable between the North and the South. As I told you before, it is to Popery that we owe this terrible civil war."
"I would have laughed at the man who would have told me that before I became the President. But Professor Morse has opened my eyes on that subject. And now I see that mystery; I understand that engineering of hell which, though not seen or even suspected by the country, is putting in motion the large, heavy, and noisy wheels of the state cars of the Southern Confederacy. Our people is not yet ready to learn and believe those things, and perhaps it is not the proper time to initiate them to those dark mysteries of hell; it would throw oil on a fire which is already sufficiently destructive."
"You are almost the only one with whom I speak freely on that subject. But sooner or later the nation will know the real origin of those rivers of blood and tears, which are spreading desolation and death everywhere. And then those who have caused those desolations and disasters will be called to give an account of them."
~ Abraham Lincoln to Charles Chiniquy. Pages 713-715 https://archive.org/details/fiftyyearsinchur00chin
This is not a legitimate historical document... it was made by Chiniquy, a former Catholic priest turned anti-Catholic activist.
You dispute Lincoln's personal friend's account of what Lincoln told him? Amazing cognitive dissonance
Do you also throw Samuel B. Morse into the bin?
Instead of relying on hearsay, rely on historical evidence.
The Roman Catholic Church supported the Southern Confederacy, with slavery as its cornerstone. Chiniquy was with Lincoln and said that it was the Jesuits who were behind the effort to decapitate the Union government as a last ditch attempt to help the South to break up the United States. And lets not forget who assassinated Lincoln, and the result of that, being the USA formally severed all diplomatic ties with the Vatican and did not re-establish them until after Reagan got shot
The Suppressed Truth about the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln, p.10
How does this have anything to do with the original post which is that some people on here state that the civil war happened because of state rights.
Because it has to do with the Civil War. I figured I'd toss in some more info into the picture
Oh okay cool. I can look into it further.
Wrong as usual. Slavery never became an issue until later in the war when people in Baltimore rioted over sending their sons to die in an illegal war. States Rights and taxation without representation was the cause of the war. The South was an agrarian society and as such the population compared to the North (industrial society) was very small. Because of this the Northern states had more representatives and they had placed exorbitant taxes and tariffs on the South.
Slavery in the South was already steeply declining before the war started. Compared to day labor (hired hands) slaves were expensive to buy and their upkeep was costly. Very few Southerners owned slaves and almost none of the Confederate soldiers had slaves other than a few officers. Most were just dirt farmers, only large farms and plantations had slaves. Black slave owners number over 3500 and they owned over 12,000 slaves. Most of these in Louisiana. Around 43% of black heads of house in the South were slave owners. Many of those were former slaves that had risen to the rank of slaveholder.
Abe Lincoln was determined to go to war. So determined actually that he was willing to stomp on the Constitution wherever he desired. In today's world he would be a globalist, in his time he was an industrialist. He started corporate welfare (should have had DOGE back then).
I hear people saying Zelensky is a dictator because he stopped elections, killed or imprisoned his political enemies and shuts down media. I agree, he is a dictator.
But....
Abe Lincoln did those exact same things. Yet he is on Mt. Rushmore. Lincoln arrested and imprisoned over 14,000 Northern citizens, one of which was a legislator for Maryland. He sent troops to shut down Baltimore newspapers that didn't agree with his policies. And he arrested and imprisoned Frank Key Howard the editor of the Baltimore newspaper The Daily Exchange. Frank Key Howard just happened to be the grandson of Francis Scott Key the author of The Star Spangled Banner. Lincoln had him imprisoned at Fort McHenry the very fort where his grandfather wrote the poem that became the National Anthem.
Howard later wrote a book about it, Fourteen Months in American Bastiles. Two of the publishers were arrested.
So no matter how much the "winner writes the history" the truth is out there if you are willing to do the research.
Wow, I guess you just ignore the evidence and opt for a bunch of false notions.
Slavery was the core issue from the start
"States' rights" was a cover for protecting slavery.
False Claims About Slavery’s Decline
Slavery wasn’t “steeply declining” before the war. The enslaved population had been growing, and the demand for new slave territories was a major Southern goal.
Slaves were expensive, but that didn’t mean the system was ending. Planters were fully invested in keeping slavery alive and expanding westward.
Falsehoods About Lincoln
The Confederacy documented its own reasons for war—slavery.
Primary sources refute these myths.
The South was another country, the CSA. They had told Lincoln if he tried to reinforce Fort Sumter they would fight. That was Lincoln's chance to attack a foreign country. You'd think we would have attacked Middle East countries to free their slaves. Or north African countries that still have legal slavery.
So voicing disagreement with policy is now rebellion? There goes the 1st Amendment. Thanks for making my point. Also you can't suppress democracy if you don't have a democracy. We aren't and never were a democracy. Find that word in the Constitution, I'll wait.
So, a few potential quotes by a couple of politicians is your proof? God forbid we go to war over shit Romney, Pelosi or any politician says.
Gen. Lee and many others freed their slaves before the war. Grant still owned slaves after the war. And tell me why there were slaves (legal) in the north after the war. The flowery speech known as the Emancipation Proclamation didn't even apply to the north. It applied to the Southern States of which Lincoln was not a president or even a citizen.
Maybe the late Prof. Walter Williams can explain it where you can understand it. He was one of the few I would listen to when he filled in for Rush Limbaugh. I'd listen to Rush and Walter, others didn't interest me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3L2DIAttiw
You seem to be confused by, well... a lot. you seem to think because the South's reason for war was Slavery that would also mean it was the Union's reason as well - A fallacious argument.
"The South was another country" argument
"Disagreement with policy isn’t rebellion"
"We were never a democracy"
"Few quotes from politicians = war motives?"
"The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t apply to the North"
"Other countries had slavery; why didn’t we invade them?"
There are a lot of holes in your argument. I could go point by point pointing out the validity of my argument and plugging the holes in yours, but I have a life. You are definitely one of the brainwashed. Sorry, but it isn't my job or my desire to try and deprogram you.
You make claims with no evidence. You can't seem to refute the base argument which is that the south left because of slavery as the main reason.
Part of the reason why the South wanted to federalize slavery is due to the "Bleeding Kansas" tussle with Missouri over the issue of Kansas being a slave or free state and John Brown's actions involving Harpers Ferry in 1859 where he wanted to stage a slave revolt but was stopped by the federal government.
This point would also combat the notion that the civil war was due to state rights.
This includes the right to leave the Union due to not liking the President that was elected. That is worse than Al Green holding a tantrum during last night's speech. Joe Wilson did it better.