โIs the auto pen allowed for pardons? No. It is not constitutionally allowed for presidential pardons. Why? Because the U.S constitution requires the president to be present. He was in a different state on vacationโ
โArticle 2, section 2 grants the president the power to issue pardons does not explicitly state the method. However, legal scholars pass interpretations argue the pardons require ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐จ๐ง๐๐ฅ ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ข๐ซ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ฅ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐๐๐ง๐ญ. Meaning the auto pen is not fulfilled in this requirement.โ
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An autopen signature without the presidentโs direct authorization or presence could undermine the pardonโs legitimacy. For example, if a president were incapacitated or unaware of the autopenโs use, it might raise questions about intent.
So if Joe Biden was not mentally fit coupled with an auto pen signature. The most likely legal outcome would be the pardon not being valid.
And from what I read Obama used it to extend the patriot act while he was in france. So does this get repealed too since obama was "out of the country", or is it a 2-parter where you also have to be mentally impaired like Biden as well?
ThanQ. IMHO, it reminds me of some company sending a mass mail from the CEO with a copied signature. Using this principle with some official document, seems fishy to me.
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โIs the auto pen allowed for pardons? No. It is not constitutionally allowed for presidential pardons. Why? Because the U.S constitution requires the president to be present. He was in a different state on vacationโ
โArticle 2, section 2 grants the president the power to issue pardons does not explicitly state the method. However, legal scholars pass interpretations argue the pardons require ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐จ๐ง๐๐ฅ ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ข๐ซ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ฅ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐๐๐ง๐ญ. Meaning the auto pen is not fulfilled in this requirement.โ
More context:
An autopen signature without the presidentโs direct authorization or presence could undermine the pardonโs legitimacy. For example, if a president were incapacitated or unaware of the autopenโs use, it might raise questions about intent.
So if Joe Biden was not mentally fit coupled with an auto pen signature. The most likely legal outcome would be the pardon not being valid.
What exactly is an auto pen? Is it a stamp of a signature, or a digital signature?
Itโs mechanical device used since Trumanโs time. Obama was the first POTUS to use it for an EO.
And from what I read Obama used it to extend the patriot act while he was in france. So does this get repealed too since obama was "out of the country", or is it a 2-parter where you also have to be mentally impaired like Biden as well?
ThanQ. IMHO, it reminds me of some company sending a mass mail from the CEO with a copied signature. Using this principle with some official document, seems fishy to me.
Exactly how I think of it. They too damn lazy to sign even ONE original?
An example:
https://damilic.com/autopen-products/office-signature-machines
Wow, did not know it was such a device (in essence, a portable plotter).
If. There is a trial questioning the validity of his mental capacity it would be kinda fun to see them play all his gaffs, blunders, falls, etc.
u/#swedishpopcorn
Not gonna lie, I want one of those auto-penny-thingies.
This is probably why Trump made a big show of physically signing all his EO's on camera, in front of witnesses.
He's sure shoehorning in a bunch of language that isn't there.
Nothing says no auto-pen other than some dork legal scholar's interpretation.