The biblical Israelites and the modern state of Israel are not the same. The people who actually come from what was know as the Kingdom of Khazaria are jewish converts and share no DNA with the actual Hebrews/Israelites.
And on the flip side: Jesus was from Galilee, so was not seen as a 'Jew' as we understand so today.
Furthermore, the Palestinians have genetic ties to the people who lived around Christ's time. They are the Semites - which makes the whole thing very silly.
You mean all that Jesus Born in a manger in Bethlehem is a lie ? Isn't that a bit convenient for getting some off the hook ?
"And thou Bethlehem Ephrathah art little to be among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me, that shall be the ruler in Israel: whose goings forth have been from the beginning and from everlasting." ---Micah 5:2 --1599 Geneva
And it was before Birthright Citizenship. But doesn't change the profit's work quoted. Nor absolve those who never miss a chance to miss a chance. Examples are not always ... Chosen to be good examples.
Help me understand please. So someone can convert and be identified as Gods chosen? I would think there is a very big difference. And I'm not dooming you I am just trying to understand your point fren.
Do you think that people have to have a specific genetic profile in order to be part of a community or religion?
Because it seems like you don't understand religious converts.
Quick question. If someone from South Korea, who is genetically from people who have been in that area for thousands of years converts to Christianity, do you think they aren't "true Christians"?
What about Christians now, who are genetically from people in the UK and Western Europe? Are they Christians? Because they are very different from the original Christians of the Bible. Who were Jewish, genetically.
Let me explain, since people are busily downvoting you.
Christ changed it all. His argument was that gentiles can be God's children, and made a point in finding 'sinners' to convert. (illness was considered God's work, so if one, for example, laid hands on someone and prayed, then one was considered to be interfering with God's work. And anyway, tax colletors and prostitutes were definitely not acceptable to attend prayer meetings.
So, for your Korean example: I would definitely consider a convert as a true Christian, because Christ said anyone can worship God.
Some people are still butthurt about that, because the doctrine was exeptional - as in, only those with the correct bloodlines was accepted in the club. How dared he?
Sure. The whole "God's Chosen" is just a label people put on themselves or others.
Edited to add: Or do you think God himself is up there, checking that everyone has a specific genetic profile to determine whether or not they meet His criteria for being "chosen"?
I honestly don't understand the point to these types of responses.
Are you trying to say that "modern day Jews" don't have any rights because they're not the same genetically as the original Israelites?
I just honestly don't know where you're going with this.
But, anyway, just like how modern Christians aren't direct descendants of the first Christians in terms of DNA—since Christianity has spread across the world and includes many different cultures and ethnic groups—Jewish identity is also about faith, culture, and shared history, not just DNA. The fact that some Jewish people may have different ancestral backgrounds doesn't negate their connection to the Jewish faith and tradition. Faith communities evolve over time, and their identity is shaped by both religious belief and shared experiences, not just by biological lineage.
Not all Jewish people are biologically from the same group. Specifically, converts. Not all Jewish people from the same biological origin are religious.
That's why I mentioned both ethnicity and religion in my posts. All Jewish people aren't necessarily both genetically Jewish and religious.
But based on comments I've read around here, about religious practices like metzitzah b’peh and physical attributes commonly associated with Jewish people (nose shape and size), then they're definitely being targeted based on either their religion or their ethnicity, no matter if that ethnicity is genetically the same as the original Israelites or not.
What you wrote isn't as clear as you believe it to be.
Do jewish people consider themselves a religion or a race?
Depends on the person. Some Jewish people are converts, so they don't have the same ethnic background as others. Some Jewish people aren't religious, but are born into Jewish families and consider themselves ethnically and culturally Jewish.
It's not an either/or or all or nothing thing. Being Jewish is not only a religion or only an ethnicity or only a culture. It's a combination of all of that.
Right, some jewish people are converts, which is why my original statement is accurate. There is an actual bloodline/DNA line of ethnic jews that originate from the biblical Israelites. Then there are a bunch of converts who are in fact not jewish at all except that they follow the religion and they use the jewish religion as a shield for the things they do. This is much of modern day Israel. The Rothschilds, who were instrumental in the creation of the modern nation state of Israel, are converts. Their true lineage goes back to the Khazarian Empire.
The biblical Israelites and the modern state of Israel are not the same. The people who actually come from what was know as the Kingdom of Khazaria are jewish converts and share no DNA with the actual Hebrews/Israelites.
When i see it posted that way my mind immediately provides the askanazi.
And on the flip side: Jesus was from Galilee, so was not seen as a 'Jew' as we understand so today.
Furthermore, the Palestinians have genetic ties to the people who lived around Christ's time. They are the Semites - which makes the whole thing very silly.
thx fren
You mean all that Jesus Born in a manger in Bethlehem is a lie ? Isn't that a bit convenient for getting some off the hook ?
"And thou Bethlehem Ephrathah art little to be among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me, that shall be the ruler in Israel: whose goings forth have been from the beginning and from everlasting." ---Micah 5:2 --1599 Geneva
Well they were told to go to Bethlehem, despite Mary's condition.
And it was before Birthright Citizenship. But doesn't change the profit's work quoted. Nor absolve those who never miss a chance to miss a chance. Examples are not always ... Chosen to be good examples.
Yeah no one cares, dude. There is such a a thing as a "convert."
And Ashkenazi or not, it's not like God is going to condemn an entire race of humans based on having the "wrong" Jewish bloodline, so why are we.
I think only the non believers in Christ are condemned, regardless of race or whatever.
Thank you!
Help me understand please. So someone can convert and be identified as Gods chosen? I would think there is a very big difference. And I'm not dooming you I am just trying to understand your point fren.
Do you think that people have to have a specific genetic profile in order to be part of a community or religion?
Because it seems like you don't understand religious converts.
Quick question. If someone from South Korea, who is genetically from people who have been in that area for thousands of years converts to Christianity, do you think they aren't "true Christians"?
What about Christians now, who are genetically from people in the UK and Western Europe? Are they Christians? Because they are very different from the original Christians of the Bible. Who were Jewish, genetically.
Let me explain, since people are busily downvoting you.
Christ changed it all. His argument was that gentiles can be God's children, and made a point in finding 'sinners' to convert. (illness was considered God's work, so if one, for example, laid hands on someone and prayed, then one was considered to be interfering with God's work. And anyway, tax colletors and prostitutes were definitely not acceptable to attend prayer meetings.
So, for your Korean example: I would definitely consider a convert as a true Christian, because Christ said anyone can worship God.
Some people are still butthurt about that, because the doctrine was exeptional - as in, only those with the correct bloodlines was accepted in the club. How dared he?
Sure. The whole "God's Chosen" is just a label people put on themselves or others.
Edited to add: Or do you think God himself is up there, checking that everyone has a specific genetic profile to determine whether or not they meet His criteria for being "chosen"?
Found one!
So?
I honestly don't understand the point to these types of responses.
Are you trying to say that "modern day Jews" don't have any rights because they're not the same genetically as the original Israelites?
I just honestly don't know where you're going with this.
But, anyway, just like how modern Christians aren't direct descendants of the first Christians in terms of DNA—since Christianity has spread across the world and includes many different cultures and ethnic groups—Jewish identity is also about faith, culture, and shared history, not just DNA. The fact that some Jewish people may have different ancestral backgrounds doesn't negate their connection to the Jewish faith and tradition. Faith communities evolve over time, and their identity is shaped by both religious belief and shared experiences, not just by biological lineage.
Not all Jewish people are biologically from the same group. Specifically, converts. Not all Jewish people from the same biological origin are religious.
That's why I mentioned both ethnicity and religion in my posts. All Jewish people aren't necessarily both genetically Jewish and religious.
But based on comments I've read around here, about religious practices like metzitzah b’peh and physical attributes commonly associated with Jewish people (nose shape and size), then they're definitely being targeted based on either their religion or their ethnicity, no matter if that ethnicity is genetically the same as the original Israelites or not.
"Are you trying to say that "modern day Jews" don't have any rights because they're not the same genetically as the original Israelites?"
No, if I was trying to say that I would have typed it. What I wrote is what I am saying.
Do jewish people consider themselves a religion or a race?
What you wrote isn't as clear as you believe it to be.
Depends on the person. Some Jewish people are converts, so they don't have the same ethnic background as others. Some Jewish people aren't religious, but are born into Jewish families and consider themselves ethnically and culturally Jewish.
It's not an either/or or all or nothing thing. Being Jewish is not only a religion or only an ethnicity or only a culture. It's a combination of all of that.
Right, some jewish people are converts, which is why my original statement is accurate. There is an actual bloodline/DNA line of ethnic jews that originate from the biblical Israelites. Then there are a bunch of converts who are in fact not jewish at all except that they follow the religion and they use the jewish religion as a shield for the things they do. This is much of modern day Israel. The Rothschilds, who were instrumental in the creation of the modern nation state of Israel, are converts. Their true lineage goes back to the Khazarian Empire.