There is no Pre-Trib. Rapture Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
They will go into great tribulation - so those who repent will not - rapture.
Revelation 4:1
1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”
The Laodicean church is cast out of the body or Christ - behold I stand at the door and knock - there is a way back in for some. So once the church age is over then the tribulation gets going.
Noah's ark is a type of Christ - only one door! - and kept Noah's family safe = Christian's are part of Christs' family.
The Olivet Discourse has many aspects to it and answers the three questions posed by the disciples but does not link answers to the questions. It was also spoken to Israelites as well as Christians - so there will be different answers - in Revelation we see three in gatherings (raptures) which equates to the three harvest feasts of Leviticus 23. Rev 5:8-10 the first, Rev. 7:9-17 and Rev 15:1-7 you will note each have a different song, the last having the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb - Israel and as recorded in multiple passages 'all of Jacob will be saved'
Down vote all you want but look into how Paul steamrolled James and forced his own Neo-Plafonic theology on the Jerusalem church without ever having met the living Christ and you'll begin to see that there's more here than we learned in catechism
He meet Him on the way to Damascus Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
2 witnesses fren. You could claim to meet Christ in a Chili's in Dubuque. Would that make it so??
Paul's whole shtick was based on claims of something only he experienced.
One of the requirements to be an apostle at the time was to have been with Christ from the start. Watch some of James Tabors videos, you'll find an interesting perspective
Paul wrote or influenced almost half of the New Testament. You want to discard almost half of the New Testament? Christ approved the prophetic church in Philadelphia in Rev. 3: because "[you] have kept My word (v.8)," Paul's theology was not Neo-Platonic. It was a revelation of the mystery that was in the Old Testament Scriptures, but was not understood by the Old Testament saints. And he DID meet the living Christ. And he did not "steamroll James." It's only recorded that he met James twice. I agree there's more, much more, than you learned in catechism, but you're missing the mark on what you think you learned.
Ummm, there's recorded evidence he beat James up at one meeting.
Many of the Pauline letters are not even attributed to Paul. So yeah, let's toss them and balance it out a bit.
What do you yet out of carrying water for a guy who admits in his own writings to being a liar and a Herodiam and whose teachings directly contradict those of the Christ he claimed to speak for? 🤔
Many of the ACTUAL disciples didn't like or trust Paul.
Check out some of scholar James Tabors videos. They're long but good. You'll come away wondering why Paul inserted himself into Christianity so hardcore.
Whatever "evidence" is "recorded" is not in the Bible. Neither Peter, nor James mention it. Peter calls Paul's writings "Scriptures (2 Pet. 3:16)."
All of Paul's 13 letters begin with an introduction by Paul himself.
I don't know what Bible you are reading, but Paul does NOT "admit to being a liar, or Herodian."
Paul's teachings did not contradict those of Christ. Do you have an example?
There is no Biblical record that ANY disciples didn't like or trust Paul. Peter recommended his writing as Scripture even AFTER Paul rebuked him for not being faithful to the gospel.
It appears that James Tabors has led you astray. I have no interest in listening to his nonsense.
I guess you never read any of Acts when the early church members and other disciples were distrustful of Paul. 😆 not surprised.
Just because the letters start with an introduction by Paul doesn't mean he wrote them lol. If I started this reply with "I am Knotnow and I write to you..." it wouldn't mean you wrote it eithee.
Paul also says "to the jews I am as a jew, to the gentiles as a gentile." Duplicitous at best, deceptive at worst.
Tabor is only one example of a scholar who has a healthy perspective on Paul. There are many others. I myself wondered for years what it was about Paul I didn't like and it is only recently that I've come to realize it's that he is a boastful, lying, arrogant psychopath who puts words into the mouth of Christ and does things to elevate his own status.
He regularly claims things in opposition to Christ then claims if we don't believe him we won't get into heaven. Come now.
The Didache, the earliest manual of the Christian church, offers a decidedly non Pauline perspective on many things. Take a look at that once. Oh wait, you'll say it "led me astray and you're not interested in the teachings of the early church" because it doesn't support your Pauline perspective.
OF COURSE, the early church was distrustful of Saul; until he met the Lord on the road to Damascus, he was PERSECUTING them. However, later they glorified God because of him. Peter, John, and James, pillars of the church in Jerusalem, gave to Paul and to Barnabas the right hand of fellowship (Gal. 2:9) acknowledging his apostleship equal to Peter's.
Your second paragraph is absurd. The letters were written contemporaneously. Do you think the recipients couldn't verify Paul had written them? Sosthenes was a one with Paul in writing 1 Corinthians, Timothy was with him in writing 2 Corinthians, and all the brothers who were with him when he wrote to the Galatians, Timothy was with him in writing Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, Philemon, and was the recipient of the 2 letters addressed to him. Do you really think they were confused as to who wrote the letters?
Big objection: Paul NEVER wrote about getting into heaven. He preached the gospel of God, which was concerning God's Son coming out of the seed of David according to the flesh, and being designated the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness out of the resurrection of the dead (Rom. 1:1-4). This is the fulfillment of God's promise to King David in 2 Samuel 7:12-14. According to Paul's gospel, Christ is revealed in us (Gal. 1:16), lives in us (Gal. 2:20), conforming us to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29) as Christ is formed in us (Gal. 4:19). This is the salvation of our soul, which is the end of our faith (1 Pet. 1:9).
The early church, at the end of the age of the apostles, was in degradation. As John wrote, the leading church in Ephesus left their first love (Rev. 2:4). John, who had accepted Paul, said many deceivers had gone out in the world (2 Jn. 7), and Diotrephes refused to receive John (3 Jn.9). And all in Asia had rejected Paul (2 Tim. 1:15). Reminder, Paul was accepted by Peter, John, and James, and Peter called Paul's writings "Scripture."
I'm looking for other Imams to express their opinions about this person's claims. In the 'Hadith' the Mahdi (Islam's messiah) will be rejected at first, but his enemies will be swallowed by the Earth when they come against him.
In the prophecies of Daniel the Beast (antichrist) will come from the Middle East which is mostly Moslem. The Islamic Messiah (Mahdi) in the Hadith (Islamic book of prophecy) will bring about a one world kingdom & destroy all other religions especially Christianity. He will make a 7 year Treaty with Israel, the 3rd Temple will be rebuilt, but he breaks the Treaty after 3 1/2 years & the Great Tribulation begins.
The church will be long gone before THE antichrist is revealed...
Also, this is really good AI.
There is no Pre-Trib. Rapture Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Letter to Thyatira
Revelation 2:20-23
Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
They will go into great tribulation - so those who repent will not - rapture.
Revelation 4:1
1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”
The Laodicean church is cast out of the body or Christ - behold I stand at the door and knock - there is a way back in for some. So once the church age is over then the tribulation gets going.
Noah's ark is a type of Christ - only one door! - and kept Noah's family safe = Christian's are part of Christs' family.
The Olivet Discourse has many aspects to it and answers the three questions posed by the disciples but does not link answers to the questions. It was also spoken to Israelites as well as Christians - so there will be different answers - in Revelation we see three in gatherings (raptures) which equates to the three harvest feasts of Leviticus 23. Rev 5:8-10 the first, Rev. 7:9-17 and Rev 15:1-7 you will note each have a different song, the last having the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb - Israel and as recorded in multiple passages 'all of Jacob will be saved'
It is said that the anti-Christ will be rich, powerful, seen to be helping humanity and will be very handsome.
That lets this ugly f*cker off the hook then, he looks like an assistant rat-catchers tea stirrer.
Elon. Transhumanism. Bannon screams it.
Who and what is this?
Come on now.
Is that an actual person? Lols like AI
He's not wrong about Paul tho
Down vote all you want but look into how Paul steamrolled James and forced his own Neo-Plafonic theology on the Jerusalem church without ever having met the living Christ and you'll begin to see that there's more here than we learned in catechism
He meet Him on the way to Damascus Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/40726/why-did-jesus-use-a-greek-proverb-when-he-spoke-aramaic-to-saul-in-acts-2614
🤔
2 witnesses fren. You could claim to meet Christ in a Chili's in Dubuque. Would that make it so??
Paul's whole shtick was based on claims of something only he experienced.
One of the requirements to be an apostle at the time was to have been with Christ from the start. Watch some of James Tabors videos, you'll find an interesting perspective
And let's not get started on the Book of Thomas.
Paul wrote or influenced almost half of the New Testament. You want to discard almost half of the New Testament? Christ approved the prophetic church in Philadelphia in Rev. 3: because "[you] have kept My word (v.8)," Paul's theology was not Neo-Platonic. It was a revelation of the mystery that was in the Old Testament Scriptures, but was not understood by the Old Testament saints. And he DID meet the living Christ. And he did not "steamroll James." It's only recorded that he met James twice. I agree there's more, much more, than you learned in catechism, but you're missing the mark on what you think you learned.
Ummm, there's recorded evidence he beat James up at one meeting.
Many of the Pauline letters are not even attributed to Paul. So yeah, let's toss them and balance it out a bit.
What do you yet out of carrying water for a guy who admits in his own writings to being a liar and a Herodiam and whose teachings directly contradict those of the Christ he claimed to speak for? 🤔
Many of the ACTUAL disciples didn't like or trust Paul.
Check out some of scholar James Tabors videos. They're long but good. You'll come away wondering why Paul inserted himself into Christianity so hardcore.
Whatever "evidence" is "recorded" is not in the Bible. Neither Peter, nor James mention it. Peter calls Paul's writings "Scriptures (2 Pet. 3:16)."
All of Paul's 13 letters begin with an introduction by Paul himself.
I don't know what Bible you are reading, but Paul does NOT "admit to being a liar, or Herodian."
Paul's teachings did not contradict those of Christ. Do you have an example?
There is no Biblical record that ANY disciples didn't like or trust Paul. Peter recommended his writing as Scripture even AFTER Paul rebuked him for not being faithful to the gospel.
It appears that James Tabors has led you astray. I have no interest in listening to his nonsense.
Final thought: be more Berean, fren. Don't just accept what you've been told. Examine it. That's all. God bless 🙌
Think for yourself, fren.
I guess you never read any of Acts when the early church members and other disciples were distrustful of Paul. 😆 not surprised.
Just because the letters start with an introduction by Paul doesn't mean he wrote them lol. If I started this reply with "I am Knotnow and I write to you..." it wouldn't mean you wrote it eithee.
Herodian research:
https://taylormarshall.com/2015/08/was-saint-paul-related-to-herod-7-reasons-paul-was-herodian.html
Paul also says "to the jews I am as a jew, to the gentiles as a gentile." Duplicitous at best, deceptive at worst.
Tabor is only one example of a scholar who has a healthy perspective on Paul. There are many others. I myself wondered for years what it was about Paul I didn't like and it is only recently that I've come to realize it's that he is a boastful, lying, arrogant psychopath who puts words into the mouth of Christ and does things to elevate his own status.
He regularly claims things in opposition to Christ then claims if we don't believe him we won't get into heaven. Come now.
The Didache, the earliest manual of the Christian church, offers a decidedly non Pauline perspective on many things. Take a look at that once. Oh wait, you'll say it "led me astray and you're not interested in the teachings of the early church" because it doesn't support your Pauline perspective.
I'm curious what Bible YOU are reading 🤣
OF COURSE, the early church was distrustful of Saul; until he met the Lord on the road to Damascus, he was PERSECUTING them. However, later they glorified God because of him. Peter, John, and James, pillars of the church in Jerusalem, gave to Paul and to Barnabas the right hand of fellowship (Gal. 2:9) acknowledging his apostleship equal to Peter's.
Your second paragraph is absurd. The letters were written contemporaneously. Do you think the recipients couldn't verify Paul had written them? Sosthenes was a one with Paul in writing 1 Corinthians, Timothy was with him in writing 2 Corinthians, and all the brothers who were with him when he wrote to the Galatians, Timothy was with him in writing Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, Philemon, and was the recipient of the 2 letters addressed to him. Do you really think they were confused as to who wrote the letters?
Big objection: Paul NEVER wrote about getting into heaven. He preached the gospel of God, which was concerning God's Son coming out of the seed of David according to the flesh, and being designated the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness out of the resurrection of the dead (Rom. 1:1-4). This is the fulfillment of God's promise to King David in 2 Samuel 7:12-14. According to Paul's gospel, Christ is revealed in us (Gal. 1:16), lives in us (Gal. 2:20), conforming us to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29) as Christ is formed in us (Gal. 4:19). This is the salvation of our soul, which is the end of our faith (1 Pet. 1:9).
The early church, at the end of the age of the apostles, was in degradation. As John wrote, the leading church in Ephesus left their first love (Rev. 2:4). John, who had accepted Paul, said many deceivers had gone out in the world (2 Jn. 7), and Diotrephes refused to receive John (3 Jn.9). And all in Asia had rejected Paul (2 Tim. 1:15). Reminder, Paul was accepted by Peter, John, and James, and Peter called Paul's writings "Scripture."
The incarnation of YHWH is the anti-Christ?
He kinda looks like Danny Koker from counting cars.
https://www.slashgear.com/img/gallery/12-things-about-counting-cars-danny-koker-only-hardcore-fans-know/intro-1679696804.jpg
I thought it was
I'm looking for other Imams to express their opinions about this person's claims. In the 'Hadith' the Mahdi (Islam's messiah) will be rejected at first, but his enemies will be swallowed by the Earth when they come against him.
In the prophecies of Daniel the Beast (antichrist) will come from the Middle East which is mostly Moslem. The Islamic Messiah (Mahdi) in the Hadith (Islamic book of prophecy) will bring about a one world kingdom & destroy all other religions especially Christianity. He will make a 7 year Treaty with Israel, the 3rd Temple will be rebuilt, but he breaks the Treaty after 3 1/2 years & the Great Tribulation begins.
My sides. This feels so staged.
It's no joke. Read his book.