Go crawl back into your cave. There is not a president in history that is going to do what you say. You were not elected. What ever he is doing he knows what that is so stop it please.
I don't feel anything. Why should I "feel"? I'm simply watching the movie which is teeming with moves and countermoves. So we have no idea whether Trump has changed his mind or not. Some people take everything to mean "Trump betrayed us" and then later look like fools for being so gullible. I feel like trusting the plan and I know God wins. That's all I need.
There was no referendum on NATO membership and my choice for president was not even allowed to run for president because his supporter cards (20k needed to be eligible to run for president) were somehow sent to Estonia and given to some unknown person by Finnish postal office. He was and still is anti-NATO and against aiding Ukraine so clearly the cabal didn't want to give him any possibility of becoming president.
ok Finland.. if DJT always shows his hands how can he beat the enemy? NATO would be Russia Ukraine EU related. He'll get to that after Middle East and such. I worry more about when he'll get rid of income tax here than some vain NATO club. He can leave later, whenever it's convenient.
The whole point of Q is 5D chess and optics. You don't announce your future moves
I agree. Finland and other East European countries belong to Russia. Finland left Russia illegally and is in practice nothing but rebelling region of Russia that one day should be returned back to Russian control.
Just like how some think Taiwan should return to China.
But since it's Russia, i'm sure many would like to join back with Russia so she doesn't get infested with Muslims and Middle Eastern people... I kinda understand that. I do wonder though after Putin, if Russia would still be great.. hope so
Agree. Satanic globalist cabal tried to destroy Russia in 1917 and many Russian regions were illegally separated from Russia. They will surely return one day back to Russian control.
The threat of leaving NATO can be greater than its execution.
Once out of NATO, you can no longer make and mold it - which means you must destroy it. (From a game theory perspective) That would take time. Time we may not have right now.
Not hardly! Trump led the way to kick Allah's butt out of Iran, Gaza and Lebanon over the last few months. I think Allah is looking to convert to Christianity! Kek
If Americans have to foot the bill then, yes it is a problem. If every country is paying their 5% - its fine. 2035 is unacceptable. They are just waiting Trump out of office.
Ok from what he says. They each love their own country. What’s wrong with that statement? Each country needs to be sovereign. And each leader of their country should love and wish to protect it
It always is a big ask. Maybe we should just LEAVE NATO... they don't pay... only the US pays... I don't know we just pay and pay ... for them... Somethings got to change... I think we will just leave NATO
And then magically somehow the EU finds money to spend on NATO.
This is a game with far reaching consequences in an ever changing environment.
So, here's the question: What exactly was it that made these EU member-states and NATO-members all of a sudden: patriotic, surpassing even the American notion of it?
supposition: PAY UP or no US protection if ART-5. (Buba Yega: Did you see what we did? What do you think if that happens to you? Or, I could simply let Vlad know, we will not interfere anymore: He, Alex and Max: central Casting icons ... what happens if certain personal information would no longer be personal but public?).
EU/NATO members: We will be paying by increasing contributions over time (running out the clock)
Fine: either by means of tariffs or by means of buying hardware form the US.
Note here what was said: We cannot depend on our enemies to provide us the products we need. i.e. Greenland, i.e. Ukraine Mineral deal.
Are you just TRYING to sow discontent here?
Go crawl back into your cave. There is not a president in history that is going to do what you say. You were not elected. What ever he is doing he knows what that is so stop it please.
And that's why you Americans will always be suckers who will pay the lavish socialist lifestyle of European parasites.
The USA should have left NATO decades ago.
Yep.
Loser
Yes, you guys are. Slave losers who pay my and my fellow Europeans lavish lifestyle.
No, I don't feel betrayed. There is a TIME and DATE for every event and marker and now is not the right time. TRUST THE PLAN.
I really hope you're right.
Not for my sake, for those that come after us.
Not one bit. Optics my friend.
He ran on the USA leaving nato. He also ran on ending the Ukraine war day one. Was that optics as well?
It sure was. Occurrences in the mainstream change people's views on a daily basis. One could almost say that's what the MSM was designed for.
What about you OP? Spill your guts.
Yes, I feel betrayed even though I didn't vote Trump because I'm not legally allowed to vote in the USA.
I see. I feel just fine about it.
I don't feel anything. Why should I "feel"? I'm simply watching the movie which is teeming with moves and countermoves. So we have no idea whether Trump has changed his mind or not. Some people take everything to mean "Trump betrayed us" and then later look like fools for being so gullible. I feel like trusting the plan and I know God wins. That's all I need.
Nothing to feel betrayed about when you're not even involved. Mental gymnastics on this one.
Yeah, but my opinion was asked.
I live in NATO country, nobody asked my opinion if we should join NATO. I want NATO to die. We don't need it and the USA doesn't need it.
Ok, so you want Trump to leave NATO so that NATO will die. Also, not worried about it. NATO will be dealt with soon enough.
Yes, I want Trump to withdraw the USA from NATO and Europe and I want NATO to die. We don't need it.
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I would agree, but I also am not doubting Trump.
who did YOU vote for and why did you vote for them?
There was no referendum on NATO membership and my choice for president was not even allowed to run for president because his supporter cards (20k needed to be eligible to run for president) were somehow sent to Estonia and given to some unknown person by Finnish postal office. He was and still is anti-NATO and against aiding Ukraine so clearly the cabal didn't want to give him any possibility of becoming president.
but who? tell me who. you put alot of info in your response but avoid answering the question...
Paavo Väyrynen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paavo_Väyrynen
Oh you don't vote here? Where are you from? Maybe worry more about the President of your own country, eh?
I'm from Finland.
ok Finland.. if DJT always shows his hands how can he beat the enemy? NATO would be Russia Ukraine EU related. He'll get to that after Middle East and such. I worry more about when he'll get rid of income tax here than some vain NATO club. He can leave later, whenever it's convenient.
The whole point of Q is 5D chess and optics. You don't announce your future moves
And we don't want you here. Fuck off to your shithole russia
I agree. Finland and other East European countries belong to Russia. Finland left Russia illegally and is in practice nothing but rebelling region of Russia that one day should be returned back to Russian control.
Just like how some think Taiwan should return to China.
But since it's Russia, i'm sure many would like to join back with Russia so she doesn't get infested with Muslims and Middle Eastern people... I kinda understand that. I do wonder though after Putin, if Russia would still be great.. hope so
Agree. Satanic globalist cabal tried to destroy Russia in 1917 and many Russian regions were illegally separated from Russia. They will surely return one day back to Russian control.
The art of the deal has nuance.
The threat of leaving NATO can be greater than its execution.
Once out of NATO, you can no longer make and mold it - which means you must destroy it. (From a game theory perspective) That would take time. Time we may not have right now.
I personally believe NATO has run its course and we should get out. No reason we should be financing europes military for any reason
I agree, the USA should just leave NATO. Should have left decades ago.
Not hardly! Trump led the way to kick Allah's butt out of Iran, Gaza and Lebanon over the last few months. I think Allah is looking to convert to Christianity! Kek
If Americans have to foot the bill then, yes it is a problem. If every country is paying their 5% - its fine. 2035 is unacceptable. They are just waiting Trump out of office.
The USA pays still more than rest of NATO even if all countries paid 5% of GDP.
On the list of critical issues facing the US, this one is way down the list. Anyone feeling betrayed by this is a myopic fool.
Image is translated screenshot from this article https://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/a/4df23318-a2f2-4947-bef1-33982df0446d
Most of the shit they have to buy comes from US.
So? Most of the shit they have to buy would still come from the USA even if there was no NATO.
But they don't buy it. Now they are forced to increase their defense spending and that equals good American Jobs.
Trump is focused on our economy to make America great again.
European Union is investing $800 billion to European military industry.
We will see.
Ok from what he says. They each love their own country. What’s wrong with that statement? Each country needs to be sovereign. And each leader of their country should love and wish to protect it
At this point I still trust Trump.
They could love their countries by leaving NATO.
Maybe we stay and weaken it from within.
The Flag of the Finnish Airforce used to be interesting
It always is a big ask. Maybe we should just LEAVE NATO... they don't pay... only the US pays... I don't know we just pay and pay ... for them... Somethings got to change... I think we will just leave NATO
And then magically somehow the EU finds money to spend on NATO.
They probably agreed to work with him. The Ds become the enemies of not just the Americans, but of the world.
The President's main goal was for all other countries to pay 5% of their GDP for NATO membership. With the exception of Spain, he got it.
Why betrayal?
This is a game with far reaching consequences in an ever changing environment.
So, here's the question: What exactly was it that made these EU member-states and NATO-members all of a sudden: patriotic, surpassing even the American notion of it?
supposition: PAY UP or no US protection if ART-5. (Buba Yega: Did you see what we did? What do you think if that happens to you? Or, I could simply let Vlad know, we will not interfere anymore: He, Alex and Max: central Casting icons ... what happens if certain personal information would no longer be personal but public?).
EU/NATO members: We will be paying by increasing contributions over time (running out the clock)
Fine: either by means of tariffs or by means of buying hardware form the US.
Note here what was said: We cannot depend on our enemies to provide us the products we need. i.e. Greenland, i.e. Ukraine Mineral deal.