Seriously though, I was thinking of doing an historical dig on neckties. Because wearing ties, going back throughout history, seems to be more than a fashion statement but a statement of loyalty to crown or establishment. That is certainly what it means today in the corporate environment.
You take your tie off when you are about to do some serious work. Next you roll your sleeves up. No more caring abut looking spiffy, it's time to get down and dirty and get some shit done.
I disagree with neck-ties being a symbol of 'slavery' or some-such.
I currently own around 400. All of them either silk or wool. AMA about which Vintage brands wear the best.
Ties originally came from Croatia - Cravat being a bastardation of the word Croat, where the military tied cloths around their necks, to prevent chafing against the hard woollen uniform coats. In the 18th C, men abandoned the elaborate lace ruffs their elite fathers and grandfathers wore, for a more sober, military look, and started adopting such easy, uncluttered single-cloth Craotian style neck-wear - mainly for comfort (eew, imagine a lace ruff, all starched, around your neck. What a relief to just wrap a white silk scarf, and tie it in a knot. One can even decorate it with a pin.). Also check the modern desendant -the bandana. It still absorbs sweat, and can be tied around the face at a pinch.
... but the main purpose of cravats was to protect coats and shirts from touching necks, thus making grubby stains( - and then needing frequent unnecessary outer-coat laundering), and also, the chafing issue.
During the industrial revolution, the neckties moved outside of the shirt-collar (although one could still wear a cravat, casually), and they became more colorful, striped, even. At this point, ties were a means of keeping the (separate) collar tidy, which also required studs, etc. The victorians were great with collar studs, tie clips etc, due to their fine mass-produced metal-wares.
I believe a tie is the one place where a gentleman can don some bright color. I also think there has been a campaign to deprive men of real clothing,. By the twentieth century, (with advent of the 'lounge- suit') men's clothing had evolved to be extremely ocmfortable to wear ( check the thirties 'zoot-suits' - ultra-comfortable) , and the suit soon proved to be a type of uniform - just because everybody wore them. A 'uniform' that anyone can wear. The thing is, the industrial revolution at this point, had enabled comfort, and style.
The beauty of this 'uniform' (oh, check the dudes in the WH - they all wear navy suts, white shirts and red or blue ties) is that it can be adapted for purpose, climate and taste. if one looks at pictures from the early 20th C, one will see that even dock-workers wore jackets, woollen pants and hats.
But it seems that NOW, the masses are taught to dislike well-dressed men, in the advertizing. The clothes sold in Target, etc., are horrible prison garb, and only in gray or black, it seems. So depressing. Plus, first they took the ties, then the collars (t-shirts), no hats anymore, then the sleeves (short sleeves). In the nineties, the minimalist trend became really bizarre, with skinny jeans, sweats, cropped t-shirts, and low-rise pants - an abomination of discomfort! There's a reason they went to thrift-shops so quickly. The public dress-sense became so bad, that corporations had to start issuing 'polo-shirts' i.d. shirts with collars albeit with short sleeves, just to remain looking 'professional'.
Now, men don't even know the difference between a suit and a blazer. (I am not even talking about archaic rules such as "no brown in town". Or 'no black with blue). The sad truth is, when confronted with a wedding or a funeral, a lot of men don't know how to even tie a neck-tie.
And riddle me this: Why do you think prep-schools have dress codes, and require students to change at least five times a day? Because they are prepping the kids for corporate or political work. Those guys will know how to tie a necktie.
Yeah, it's not a symbol of slavery. It a symbol of being well-dressed.
It's kind of funny because Trump just made Zelenskyy wear a tie in the oval office and now Trump doesn't seem to care about ties in the oval office. It makes it look like Trump wanted to tell him what to do just to show everyone he could tell him what to do.
edit: would have been funny if Trump made Zelenskyy wear a suit and then Trump showed up in sweat pants. That would be a good one for next time.
What does a gentleman do with his tie before he gets into a hard fight or battle?
Yeah, I did appreciate the no neckties comms today.
Think about other necktie comms we've seen. Anthony Bourdain, hung by necktie, Keith Caradine, hung by necktie.
Neckties are comms of control and threat of death.
No neckties is saying we do not fear you; You have no control, and it is you who fears our neckties.
Robin Williams too!
David Carradine. Keith is alive.
My bad. But you all know who I meant. David Caradine, from Kung Fu, Kill Bill, et all.
Yeah, Keith was/is his son, famous for Revenge of the Nerds.
Or it's a casual Friday.
Really ??
Come on, it was funny.
Seriously though, I was thinking of doing an historical dig on neckties. Because wearing ties, going back throughout history, seems to be more than a fashion statement but a statement of loyalty to crown or establishment. That is certainly what it means today in the corporate environment.
They're in the White House Oval Office, and you know how much President Trump respects the Office....None of them were wearing Ties....😉
You take your tie off when you are about to do some serious work. Next you roll your sleeves up. No more caring abut looking spiffy, it's time to get down and dirty and get some shit done.
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Yup, I know what the message no neckties imply.
See above, > No neckties is saying we do not fear you; You have no control, and it is you who fears our neckties.
I disagree with neck-ties being a symbol of 'slavery' or some-such.
I currently own around 400. All of them either silk or wool. AMA about which Vintage brands wear the best.
Ties originally came from Croatia - Cravat being a bastardation of the word Croat, where the military tied cloths around their necks, to prevent chafing against the hard woollen uniform coats. In the 18th C, men abandoned the elaborate lace ruffs their elite fathers and grandfathers wore, for a more sober, military look, and started adopting such easy, uncluttered single-cloth Craotian style neck-wear - mainly for comfort (eew, imagine a lace ruff, all starched, around your neck. What a relief to just wrap a white silk scarf, and tie it in a knot. One can even decorate it with a pin.). Also check the modern desendant -the bandana. It still absorbs sweat, and can be tied around the face at a pinch.
... but the main purpose of cravats was to protect coats and shirts from touching necks, thus making grubby stains( - and then needing frequent unnecessary outer-coat laundering), and also, the chafing issue.
During the industrial revolution, the neckties moved outside of the shirt-collar (although one could still wear a cravat, casually), and they became more colorful, striped, even. At this point, ties were a means of keeping the (separate) collar tidy, which also required studs, etc. The victorians were great with collar studs, tie clips etc, due to their fine mass-produced metal-wares.
I believe a tie is the one place where a gentleman can don some bright color. I also think there has been a campaign to deprive men of real clothing,. By the twentieth century, (with advent of the 'lounge- suit') men's clothing had evolved to be extremely ocmfortable to wear ( check the thirties 'zoot-suits' - ultra-comfortable) , and the suit soon proved to be a type of uniform - just because everybody wore them. A 'uniform' that anyone can wear. The thing is, the industrial revolution at this point, had enabled comfort, and style.
The beauty of this 'uniform' (oh, check the dudes in the WH - they all wear navy suts, white shirts and red or blue ties) is that it can be adapted for purpose, climate and taste. if one looks at pictures from the early 20th C, one will see that even dock-workers wore jackets, woollen pants and hats.
But it seems that NOW, the masses are taught to dislike well-dressed men, in the advertizing. The clothes sold in Target, etc., are horrible prison garb, and only in gray or black, it seems. So depressing. Plus, first they took the ties, then the collars (t-shirts), no hats anymore, then the sleeves (short sleeves). In the nineties, the minimalist trend became really bizarre, with skinny jeans, sweats, cropped t-shirts, and low-rise pants - an abomination of discomfort! There's a reason they went to thrift-shops so quickly. The public dress-sense became so bad, that corporations had to start issuing 'polo-shirts' i.d. shirts with collars albeit with short sleeves, just to remain looking 'professional'.
Now, men don't even know the difference between a suit and a blazer. (I am not even talking about archaic rules such as "no brown in town". Or 'no black with blue). The sad truth is, when confronted with a wedding or a funeral, a lot of men don't know how to even tie a neck-tie.
And riddle me this: Why do you think prep-schools have dress codes, and require students to change at least five times a day? Because they are prepping the kids for corporate or political work. Those guys will know how to tie a necktie.
Yeah, it's not a symbol of slavery. It a symbol of being well-dressed.
Also, it was obviously a symbolic gesture to 'take off the ties'.
Plus, just last week Trump insisted that Zelenskyy wear a tie in the oval office.
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It was funny, actually.
Couldn't have you underlings parading around with their "Colors" up on staffs in the hallways.
Vance kind of looks submissive in this photo.
The ship of state casts off its mooring lines to sail out of safe harbour and into battle.
It's kind of funny because Trump just made Zelenskyy wear a tie in the oval office and now Trump doesn't seem to care about ties in the oval office. It makes it look like Trump wanted to tell him what to do just to show everyone he could tell him what to do.
edit: would have been funny if Trump made Zelenskyy wear a suit and then Trump showed up in sweat pants. That would be a good one for next time.
ONCE UPON A TIME, Gentlemen would remove their ties before settling a dispute with a fight.