I knew someone who was arrested on a misdemeanor arson charge for symbolically burning a note with things she didn't like about herself on it on a public sidewalk.
I don't see how this is any better. It isn't like he is doing this on his own property in a properly set up fire pit.
Should I be allowed to block the exit to a neighborhood with a giant tire fire for free "speech"? What about protest the fees to camp in a national forest by burning a dollar bill on the ground during a drought or Santa Anna winds there?
Fires aren't speech or the press, they are destructive actions and potentially common law(pre statutory) felonies that the courts have been perfectly will to let the government regulate for everything other than flags.
Precisely so. Fires are not speech; they are chemistry. We don't have an inalienable right to practice chemistry, if it leads to civil disturbance, violence, or arson. (Or explosions.) People are too ready to use misnomers instead of correct language. This is a form of fraud.
It is a symbolic act and therefore a form of speech. Now, I believe it should be done safely, but it's not that different from a candlelight vigil. Wondering what your thoughts are about someone posting an AI generated video of the American flag being burned.
It's not a symbol though. It's actually a fire. Not a symbol of a fire.
But, if we say it is symbolic, what is it symbolic of? It's symbolic of the destruction of the country. Flag burning says, "This country should be destroyed". Is subversion protected by free speech? Can I say, "This country should be destroyed by fire." and agitate for it? I don't know.
This is why the perverts get angry when their flags or paintings are messed with. They understand what's happening better than we do.
Burning a US flag should not be free speech. We should not give these fuckers even one inch. They always and only ever us it against us, never for us.
"Speech" is communicating messages by word of mouth or by writing (or its equivalent forms). Symbolic of what? You can only remotely guess by reference to additional extraneous information, so the uncertainty-reducing function of information is not achieved. AI-generated videos are fictions. If they are presented as reality, the presentation is fraud. In any case, images are not acts.
Agreed. Public obstruction and all that that implies is reason for arrest. The rhetoric from Trump on this just creates further reason for continued division. I feel like I lost the ground I made with friends who were (and are again) calling him a dictator.
Ask any of them if they believe defacing a rainbow or fag flag painted on any street is a criminal offense, and why Biden isn't also a tyrant for allowing people who defaced those symbols of sexual deviancy to be arrested and put in prison.
Depends on the statutes, I suppose
I knew someone who was arrested on a misdemeanor arson charge for symbolically burning a note with things she didn't like about herself on it on a public sidewalk.
I don't see how this is any better. It isn't like he is doing this on his own property in a properly set up fire pit.
Should I be allowed to block the exit to a neighborhood with a giant tire fire for free "speech"? What about protest the fees to camp in a national forest by burning a dollar bill on the ground during a drought or Santa Anna winds there?
Fires aren't speech or the press, they are destructive actions and potentially common law(pre statutory) felonies that the courts have been perfectly will to let the government regulate for everything other than flags.
Precisely so. Fires are not speech; they are chemistry. We don't have an inalienable right to practice chemistry, if it leads to civil disturbance, violence, or arson. (Or explosions.) People are too ready to use misnomers instead of correct language. This is a form of fraud.
It is a symbolic act and therefore a form of speech. Now, I believe it should be done safely, but it's not that different from a candlelight vigil. Wondering what your thoughts are about someone posting an AI generated video of the American flag being burned.
It's not a symbol though. It's actually a fire. Not a symbol of a fire.
But, if we say it is symbolic, what is it symbolic of? It's symbolic of the destruction of the country. Flag burning says, "This country should be destroyed". Is subversion protected by free speech? Can I say, "This country should be destroyed by fire." and agitate for it? I don't know.
This is why the perverts get angry when their flags or paintings are messed with. They understand what's happening better than we do.
Burning a US flag should not be free speech. We should not give these fuckers even one inch. They always and only ever us it against us, never for us.
"Speech" is communicating messages by word of mouth or by writing (or its equivalent forms). Symbolic of what? You can only remotely guess by reference to additional extraneous information, so the uncertainty-reducing function of information is not achieved. AI-generated videos are fictions. If they are presented as reality, the presentation is fraud. In any case, images are not acts.
Agreed. Public obstruction and all that that implies is reason for arrest. The rhetoric from Trump on this just creates further reason for continued division. I feel like I lost the ground I made with friends who were (and are again) calling him a dictator.
Ask any of them if they believe defacing a rainbow or fag flag painted on any street is a criminal offense, and why Biden isn't also a tyrant for allowing people who defaced those symbols of sexual deviancy to be arrested and put in prison.
Exactly. Let Biden be the tyrant.