Well yeah, if you haven't been catechized to receive the Eucharist then you aren't allowed to receive it. As Catholics (and you may disagree, that's fine, I'm just stating what Catholics believe) we believe 100% that the Eucharist, through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass transforms/transubstantiates into the Body and Blood of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. When Christ said, "Take this, and eat, for this IS my Body " He meant it literally. The original word for "eat" in the Greek translation of that verse literally translates to "gnaw" or "to chew," so to physically eat something. If you haven't gone through the rite to receive the Body of our Lord, you cannot receive Him. Meaning you must be baptized and go through the rite of First Holy Communion, which most Catholics go through at around ages 7-9 depending on their readiness, unless you enter into the Church as an adult, then it's whatever age you entered.
Sorry, long explanation!
Anyway, the Latin Mass is not all that common in the US, and has been heavily restricted by the Vatican since the 1960s. Most parishes are not allowed to celebrate Latin Masses unless through special exception. Or if a church is not part of a parish or diocese then they can do whatever they want, typically. Or if a priest holds a private mass (meaning he doesn't publicize it) he can celebrate in Latin and people are allowed to attend, but it can't be "advertised."
The Latin Mass has an extremely long history and it's quite interesting to read up on if you're curious, and I highly recommend, because at the very least you're learning about religious history that the seculars of the world want you to forget.
Again, sorry, long explanation! If you have any other questions feel free to ask and I can try to answer them as best I can! God bless my brother/sister in Christ!
in my faith, you bypass the human and can go directly to God through his Son without any rite of human rituals. that is crazy that you cannot go directly to God or even talk to Jesus without a permission slip from man.
Yes.
As a retired Catholic, my beliefs in this regard are similar.
All done with religion, dogma and rituals. No graven images, trinkets or "relics"...
Some of us no longer have the luxury of all the ritualistic nonsense that never gets to the point...
If Christ said, "The kingdom of God is within you."; and "meet me in the upper rooms of the temple built without human hands" [sic] - Then all that religion nonsense is a waste of time as it won't bring you to TRUE COMMUNION with the Christ.
Some believe they need it. I believe they're just wasting time. But they're free to do what they want...as am I.
YMMV.
Some attend just for the social aspect. Some out of guilt because they're convinced they should... These are not good reasons. Communion with God is a very private and personal thing.
While you enjoy your beef and beer in the church basement. I'm going into to God's house for a while...in the temple built without human hands... just like the Christ instructed us to do.
1 Corinthians 11:29 - St. Paul says clearly, "For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself." Read the Fathers of the Church from the first centuries. All kinds of ritual going on from day one.
Exactly. He had a personal invitation from Christ Himself, so no trappings, no baptism.
HOWEVER, plenty before and after this does talk about baptism and how the Holy Spirit will influence your life. Jesus even insisted on being baptized. Does that change who he was? No, but it is an example that you ignore at your own peril.
Personnally I believe the example given at the crucifixion should not be viewed as the rule, but actually the exception. Jesus Himself talked to the thief, and extended that personal invitation.
Ultimately God sets the rules, we follow the examples.
The thief didn’t have time for the sacraments and was saved by Jesus himself in his physical form. Something that the rest of us will never experience.
The good thief is a very special case, dying next to Our Lord Himself. For the vast majority (all the other believers), the early church had definite rituals.
There is so much wrong here, i dont have time to unpack.
The way to salvation is through Jesus, and faith in him.
That's it. Ultimately, luthor left the halls of Cathol to start the reformation because of the trappings and dogma of the Catholic Church.
Baptism is important but not required under special circumstance (better to do so, why gamble with salvation?) The Holy Spirit decends upon a heart open to Christ, and will direct you to where God wants you.
Don't get all wrapped up in what Hollywood or the secular world tells you what religion is. Don't follow religion, follow Christ.
John 20:19-23 Jesus literally commands His disciples (who are the new line of priests) through the gift of the Holy Spirit to forgive or retain sins themselves. Meaning people were to come confess their sins to them, the disciples/priests, and if they forgave the sins they were forgiven, etc. Subsequent priests have been initiated down the line since the time of the Apostles.
Jesus Appears to His Disciples
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I AM SENDING YOU.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. 23 IF YOU FORGIVE ANYONE'S SINS, THEY ARE FORGIVEN; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
It's not man/the priest forgiving the sins, they're doing it "in persona Christi" meaning "in the person of Christ" meaning it's a priestly function.
Christ died for our sins, yes, but He also died to tear the veil between Heaven and Earth so that humans could finally attain Heaven. Before Christ's death any holy or saintly people, like who you mentioned, who died where waiting in a place called "Abraham's Bosom" or "Sheol" which was kind of like limbo. This is in the Bible, you can check me on this. When Christ died and rose from the dead the veil was torn and souls were finally allowed to enter into Heaven. Christ dying for us had many reasons, this was one of them.
I'm sorry you don't like the Church fren, I understand the frustration, but I hope and pray you come to acknowledge your vitriol and learn more about the whole history of the faith. God bless 🙏
Jesus established the One True Church, the Universal Church, the Catholic Church. He didn't establish the Lutheran church, or Episcopal, or Methodist, or Evangelical, and definitely not the Mormon church.
Saint Peter became the first pope. The Catholic Church's roots go all the way back to Peter and Jesus. Lutheran goes to Luther, etc.
Oh, but He founded the Lutheran church or Episcopal, right?
Catholics don't worship Mary. I've heard this "gotcha" a million times. Worship is Latria, but to Mary we give respect which is Hyperdulia. Even Jesus respected His mother, we follow what He did. Would Jesus throw his mother to the wayside? That's what you do when you don't even recognize her significance. Without Mary's "yes" to God in accepting to become the Mother of Jesus, we would have no Jesus. She is very important in the history of salvation.
There are are 3 types of honor that are due to those who are holy:
Dulia. This is the honor and recognition which we accord to the saints. Perhaps they died as martyrs rather than deny God; or they worked great miracles, since their friendship with God meant that He granted their prayers for healing or restoration; or they simply, as Therese of Lisieux, lived holiness in their own “little way.”
Hyperdulia. This is, to put it simply, lots and lots of dulia. This is the very special honor we accord to Mary, the Mother of God.
Latria. This is true worship, and is given only to God. St. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, writing in his Summa Theologiae (II-II, q. 103, a. 4; III, q. 25, a. 5), explained:
”In more technical terms used by the Tradition to draw this important distinction, devotion to Mary belongs to the veneration of dulia, or the homage and honor owed to the saints, both angelic and human in heaven, and not to latria, or the adoration and worship that can be given only to the Triune God and the Son incarnate. Because of her unique relationship to Christ in salvation history, however, the special degree of devotion due to Mary has traditionally been called hyperdulia. While latria is owed to her Son by reason of unity of his divine and human natures in the Person of the Word made flesh, hyperdulia is due to Mary as truly his Mother.”
You're right, Mary is not "divine" but she is very, very holy.
As to whether Jesus founded the Catholic Church or not, here are some points to consider:
In concert with His redemptive act, Jesus did three things that established the framework of His Church. First, He chose humans to carry out His work. He appointed Peter to be the visible head of the Church. Jesus said to Peter, "You are Rock and on this rock I will build my Church." (Matthew 16: 18) Jesus said "build," as in to create a structure. Jesus built His structure on specifically chosen human beings Peter and the apostles.
Second, Jesus gave Peter and the apostles the power and authority to carry out His work. "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven."(Matthew 16:19; 18:18) "Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you retain, they are retained."(John 20:23)
Third, Jesus gave Peter and the apostles commands as to what that work should be. At the last supper, He commanded, "Do this in memory of Me." (Luke 22:19) He commanded them to "Make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28:19), and to "Go into the whole world and proclaim the Gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15)
Here is the link to the article in case you actually want to set aside your hatred for Catholicism and Catholics. I'm praying for you fren, be well. 🙏
Well yeah, if you haven't been catechized to receive the Eucharist then you aren't allowed to receive it. As Catholics (and you may disagree, that's fine, I'm just stating what Catholics believe) we believe 100% that the Eucharist, through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass transforms/transubstantiates into the Body and Blood of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. When Christ said, "Take this, and eat, for this IS my Body " He meant it literally. The original word for "eat" in the Greek translation of that verse literally translates to "gnaw" or "to chew," so to physically eat something. If you haven't gone through the rite to receive the Body of our Lord, you cannot receive Him. Meaning you must be baptized and go through the rite of First Holy Communion, which most Catholics go through at around ages 7-9 depending on their readiness, unless you enter into the Church as an adult, then it's whatever age you entered.
Sorry, long explanation!
Anyway, the Latin Mass is not all that common in the US, and has been heavily restricted by the Vatican since the 1960s. Most parishes are not allowed to celebrate Latin Masses unless through special exception. Or if a church is not part of a parish or diocese then they can do whatever they want, typically. Or if a priest holds a private mass (meaning he doesn't publicize it) he can celebrate in Latin and people are allowed to attend, but it can't be "advertised."
The Latin Mass has an extremely long history and it's quite interesting to read up on if you're curious, and I highly recommend, because at the very least you're learning about religious history that the seculars of the world want you to forget.
Again, sorry, long explanation! If you have any other questions feel free to ask and I can try to answer them as best I can! God bless my brother/sister in Christ!
Thanks for providing this great explanation. I was going to attempt it - but you did it thoroughly and thoughtfully.
Yes.
As a retired Catholic, my beliefs in this regard are similar.
All done with religion, dogma and rituals. No graven images, trinkets or "relics"...
Some of us no longer have the luxury of all the ritualistic nonsense that never gets to the point...
If Christ said, "The kingdom of God is within you."; and "meet me in the upper rooms of the temple built without human hands" [sic] - Then all that religion nonsense is a waste of time as it won't bring you to TRUE COMMUNION with the Christ.
Some believe they need it. I believe they're just wasting time. But they're free to do what they want...as am I.
YMMV.
Some attend just for the social aspect. Some out of guilt because they're convinced they should... These are not good reasons. Communion with God is a very private and personal thing.
While you enjoy your beef and beer in the church basement. I'm going into to God's house for a while...in the temple built without human hands... just like the Christ instructed us to do.
Yeah...it gets real kOoKy any time religion is involved around here.
Achieve a "higher state of fk it" and not care what they think.
Moronic thoughts, ideas and manners are not exclusively reserved for democrats, commies and satanists. as redundant as that sounds...
u/#jesuslovespopcorn
1 Corinthians 11:29 - St. Paul says clearly, "For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself." Read the Fathers of the Church from the first centuries. All kinds of ritual going on from day one.
Exactly. He had a personal invitation from Christ Himself, so no trappings, no baptism.
HOWEVER, plenty before and after this does talk about baptism and how the Holy Spirit will influence your life. Jesus even insisted on being baptized. Does that change who he was? No, but it is an example that you ignore at your own peril.
Personnally I believe the example given at the crucifixion should not be viewed as the rule, but actually the exception. Jesus Himself talked to the thief, and extended that personal invitation.
Ultimately God sets the rules, we follow the examples.
The thief didn’t have time for the sacraments and was saved by Jesus himself in his physical form. Something that the rest of us will never experience.
The good thief is a very special case, dying next to Our Lord Himself. For the vast majority (all the other believers), the early church had definite rituals.
There is so much wrong here, i dont have time to unpack.
That's it. Ultimately, luthor left the halls of Cathol to start the reformation because of the trappings and dogma of the Catholic Church.
Baptism is important but not required under special circumstance (better to do so, why gamble with salvation?) The Holy Spirit decends upon a heart open to Christ, and will direct you to where God wants you.
Don't get all wrapped up in what Hollywood or the secular world tells you what religion is. Don't follow religion, follow Christ.
That is the start.
John 20:19-23 Jesus literally commands His disciples (who are the new line of priests) through the gift of the Holy Spirit to forgive or retain sins themselves. Meaning people were to come confess their sins to them, the disciples/priests, and if they forgave the sins they were forgiven, etc. Subsequent priests have been initiated down the line since the time of the Apostles.
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I AM SENDING YOU.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. 23 IF YOU FORGIVE ANYONE'S SINS, THEY ARE FORGIVEN; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
It's not man/the priest forgiving the sins, they're doing it "in persona Christi" meaning "in the person of Christ" meaning it's a priestly function.
Christ died for our sins, yes, but He also died to tear the veil between Heaven and Earth so that humans could finally attain Heaven. Before Christ's death any holy or saintly people, like who you mentioned, who died where waiting in a place called "Abraham's Bosom" or "Sheol" which was kind of like limbo. This is in the Bible, you can check me on this. When Christ died and rose from the dead the veil was torn and souls were finally allowed to enter into Heaven. Christ dying for us had many reasons, this was one of them.
I'm sorry you don't like the Church fren, I understand the frustration, but I hope and pray you come to acknowledge your vitriol and learn more about the whole history of the faith. God bless 🙏
Okay? I wasn't yelling at you. You seem to have some long seated hatred of Catholics and the Church. I'm praying for you fren. 🙏
Jesus established the One True Church, the Universal Church, the Catholic Church. He didn't establish the Lutheran church, or Episcopal, or Methodist, or Evangelical, and definitely not the Mormon church.
Saint Peter became the first pope. The Catholic Church's roots go all the way back to Peter and Jesus. Lutheran goes to Luther, etc.
No He didn’t. The Catholic Church is not the church of Jesus. And nowhere do you see Jesus promoting worship of His mother. Mary was not divine.
Oh, but He founded the Lutheran church or Episcopal, right?
Catholics don't worship Mary. I've heard this "gotcha" a million times. Worship is Latria, but to Mary we give respect which is Hyperdulia. Even Jesus respected His mother, we follow what He did. Would Jesus throw his mother to the wayside? That's what you do when you don't even recognize her significance. Without Mary's "yes" to God in accepting to become the Mother of Jesus, we would have no Jesus. She is very important in the history of salvation.
Dulia. This is the honor and recognition which we accord to the saints. Perhaps they died as martyrs rather than deny God; or they worked great miracles, since their friendship with God meant that He granted their prayers for healing or restoration; or they simply, as Therese of Lisieux, lived holiness in their own “little way.”
Hyperdulia. This is, to put it simply, lots and lots of dulia. This is the very special honor we accord to Mary, the Mother of God.
Latria. This is true worship, and is given only to God. St. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, writing in his Summa Theologiae (II-II, q. 103, a. 4; III, q. 25, a. 5), explained:
”In more technical terms used by the Tradition to draw this important distinction, devotion to Mary belongs to the veneration of dulia, or the homage and honor owed to the saints, both angelic and human in heaven, and not to latria, or the adoration and worship that can be given only to the Triune God and the Son incarnate. Because of her unique relationship to Christ in salvation history, however, the special degree of devotion due to Mary has traditionally been called hyperdulia. While latria is owed to her Son by reason of unity of his divine and human natures in the Person of the Word made flesh, hyperdulia is due to Mary as truly his Mother.”
You're right, Mary is not "divine" but she is very, very holy.
In concert with His redemptive act, Jesus did three things that established the framework of His Church. First, He chose humans to carry out His work. He appointed Peter to be the visible head of the Church. Jesus said to Peter, "You are Rock and on this rock I will build my Church." (Matthew 16: 18) Jesus said "build," as in to create a structure. Jesus built His structure on specifically chosen human beings Peter and the apostles.
Second, Jesus gave Peter and the apostles the power and authority to carry out His work. "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven."(Matthew 16:19; 18:18) "Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you retain, they are retained."(John 20:23)
Third, Jesus gave Peter and the apostles commands as to what that work should be. At the last supper, He commanded, "Do this in memory of Me." (Luke 22:19) He commanded them to "Make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28:19), and to "Go into the whole world and proclaim the Gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15)
Here is the link to the article in case you actually want to set aside your hatred for Catholicism and Catholics. I'm praying for you fren, be well. 🙏
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/teachings/jesus-christ-established-a-visible-church-on-earth-126