I don't make a lot of posts here, but I think there's something critical right now to acknowledge...we have to learn to take a loss, and learn from it.
There's this weird tendency to say, "oh, we didn't win the NYC/NJ governor's race because sometimes you have to show them".
What were seeing now is that younger people 18-30 voted disproportionately for Democrats in every single election this cycle. Not just the ones you followed.
The one big common theme was the economy, which we should own but aren't. Hiring is down for people entering the market, and affordability for housing or groceries (outside of eggs) is going the wrong way.
Don't ignore what people are trying to tell you. We have a whole year to change these facts. But please don't just ignore it out of pride.
Trump has to push for abolish income taxes and property taxes.
Anything else isn’t enough!
Yes, this generation cannot even afford a home! Our kids have moved back in with us . . . when a decade ago they could have afforded a very nice starter home in a nice neighborhood!!
While leftists (who are probably not homeless) are in an uproar about food stamps fraught with waste and abuse, and illegals are getting a free ride with housing and medical care and food THAT OUR OWN CHILDREN CANNOT AFFORD!
Meme it pedes, and crush the Republicans with our OUTRAGE that our own American children are left out while illegals and welfare abusers live high on the hog!
This is the biggest OUTRAGE in our nation's history! The stamp act was a flea compared to this assault on our own citizens!!
Absolutely right
Well said. I agree with 100% of what you said. I just hope people put their own egos and shit aside and realize that everything wasn't because of voter fraud and the cabal.
It's like they just want to pretend there aren't actual, real people out there that are upset at how things are going. And I'm afraid they're going to keep ignoring what's going on straight through to midterms, and we're going to get our asses handed to us. Again. And then we'll have another round of "Why didn't Trump do anything?!", like one man is going to save the country all on his own. I think people are taking that whole "This is a movie!" and "Trust the plan!" as they don't need to really do much other than go hang around boards like this one and preach to the choir.
Plenty of polls out there saying democrats were going to sweep this election, and all I saw was people waving them away with "you can't trust polls, remember when polls said HRC was going to win" and various versions of "everyone is lying". And gee, look what happened. 🤷♀️
I love my fellow Anons, but soooo many of them suck donkey balls at redpilling norms. Virtually every argument/conversation I see Anons having with normies I'm just like this 🤦♀️ the entire time. It's like many of these people have never taken a debate class or even know the basics of how to persuade others of anything or even what a logical fallacy is.
Basically it's a shit ton of cognitive dissonance/double standards/hypocrisy/contradictory statements, saying that everyone, everywhere, is lying about everything (except for the stuff they agree with, of course), and that the person they're trying to redpill is either retarded or evil when they don't just immediately agree with them.
Hell, most of my posts here now are just pointing out to people the huge holes in their arguments, and that if they try to redpill normies with what they're saying, they're just going to end up pushing people even further away because, quite frankly, they couldn't argue their way out of a paper bag and take things extraordinarily personal if someone disagrees with them.
I point blank tell them what I'm doing, picking apart their arguments (much, much nicer and more gently than most normies would), and instead of addressing the problems with the arguments they make, they just want to engage in personal attacks on me because I guess I hurt their feelings and made them angry. 🤷♀️
And if people really think that we're doing such a great job of redpilling normies and I'm just being a twat trying to get people to make better, more convincing arguments, well, it's been almost a decade since Q came on the scene, and yeah, this board and others like it are dying (I know people hate hearing this, but it's a fact), not growing, like they would be if we had actually brought a ton of people over to our side.
So, what we've been doing hasn't been working. Maybe it's time to do something different. Like actually listen to what people outside the Q community have to say, don't immediately dismiss them as being paid off or liars, and maybe learning how to put together an effective argument that isn't just a random word salad of contradictions and paranoia and insults.
Just a thought...🤷♀️
Great thoughts bro, id respond point by point but this is where I am too. FWIW I've upvoted your work 👊
Thanks. Like I said earlier, I thought you were squarely over the target on everything. Thanks for taking the time to post. It takes courage to break away from the usual accepted talking points here.
Keep up the good work! ✌️👍
This, and elections need to be secured or they will just cheat over and over.
Why is there no prosecution for election fraud???¿¿???????
Definitely. I'm just trying to make a point about why ignoring these election results entirely isn't good.
100% right. Housing and groceries have not improved. They've gotten worse. I have two kids that are around 20 and there's no way in hell they could afford to live on their own.
The economy was supposed to turn around and it hasn't. My family has been big Trump supporters but now I'm having to have to try to defend President Trump's Administration because the economy is shit right now. I see the real impact of layoffs, see the downsells and losses at my company as well. The economy is bad and that's making it harder and harder for me to defend even though I try.
I love President Trump and he obviously was the best choice. I still believe in him but sadly Im seeing a lot of lost support.
Thank you, and yes my point is that I don't see acknowledging a tough economy or concerned young voters as a dig at Trump either. It's only been a year.
What I'm concerned about is losing people by papering over this stuff and just refusing to acknowledge anything that isn't positive. This is what happened under Biden and it pisses people off to no end because then they don't just feel poorer, they feel poorer AND unheard. That's how you lose midterms and maybe more.
There's this weird pattern here where people just don't want to accept ANY kind of loss. Instead anything unfavorable gets woven into a new complex narrative with the promise that a short-term loss is actually an even bigger long-term win. Then people create unrealistic expectations that no president can meet and doom like heck when it doesn't materialize.
I don't think we should follow that path this term. Let's accept little short term losses, learn from them and LISTEN to voters, and then do better. Keep it simple.
I agree. Great points on not acknowledging losses and people not feeling heard. I'm seeing that happen about the economy. I try to defend with how the deportations are going but in the end I feel like I'm losing them because the truth is the economy is terrible right now. My wife just today said she feels lied to about the economy and the Epstein files. I couldn't defend against that because both have not come to fruition as promised.
This is because the GOP is stalling with the DEMONrats to stop Trump.
How can the economy recover when the banks won't lower rates.
They are fighting Trump from all sides.
So in your critical thinking Trump's economy isn't moving so I know let's elect DEMONrats because they will fix it.
This is their strategy.
I wonder if President Trump's first real term will be starting on January 20, 2029. Then we will be rapid to the point that everything done from 1/20/25/ to 7/20/25 will likely be condensed into one day.
This is getting beyond the point of ridiculous.
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See the problem here is assuming that younger people are actually voting that way. I'm not saying that some aren't, because they obviously are, but it's nowhere near as disproportionate as they make it out to be. Every other week you'll see someone on here or elsewhere post something about young people breaking away and becoming more conservative, or breaking from this MSM view or that one. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Both of these things (Young people becoming more conservative AND voting overwhelmingly socialist) can't be true at the same time.
What's FAR more likely is that mass voter fraud occurred but we're at the point everyone (even people on our side) seem to just accept it in certain areas because they're "blue areas" despite years of evidence that show that those areas aren't as blue as they'd have you believe and in some cases, are probably either purple or light red. Remember during 2020 when there was all that evidence that california and New York went red before the cheating?
This logic ALSO doesn't track when you consider other factors. For example, it's a running theme and VERY consistent that when asked about which party they trust on issues revolving around the economy, voters (regardless of age) overwhelming say the GOP are leagues better than the democrats.
The whole "blame the young people" thing doesn't really hold beyond surface level once you start picking at it. It's just an excuse for the media and establishment to use as an explanation to cover up their mass cheating.
Well I guess I'm just hopeful it's younger people, which is what I'm hearing from both left and right sources right now. Voter fraud is something we have yet to make a dent in, obviously if that's the real reason, and midterms are a year away.
Young people we can help, and I'm hearing about them struggling everywhere so I think it's something we have to address anyway or I don't think we'll fare any better in midterms.
You're asking me to disbelieve something I actually hear, in order to believe something that is only anecdotal and that we don't have time to change.
I mean this respectfully, not trying to be argumentative. Mass voter fraud made sense in 2020, but we now have Trump and it's been almost a year since he got into office. People here post about changes to eliminate voter fraud every day as these big wins; to use your words you can't have your cake and eat it too. I'm going to need to see brand new data to believe that's what made the difference this time. Otherwise, I see it as the same kind of excuse you think I'm blaming.
Yeah, what about those EOs Trump created to make elections secure when he entered office this time? And Dominion voting machines being sold to a patriot? And Trump telling us several times that he's made voting security a priority?
We're just going to ignore all of that? Say Trump is a failure or liar?
People act like making voter ID laws mandatory across the country will solve all the problems, but VA has required ID to vote since I moved here back around 2005, and look how voting here has gone...
People just can't seem to accept that there are actual, real people out there that think the Republican Party has done a shit job. It's like their entire world will fall apart if they acknowledged that there's a lot of people out there that's angry that things haven't improved drastically like they were promised.
I'll respond to u/BakasEverywhere as well and point out that voter ID doesn't magically stop voter fraud. Case in point, Texas, TO THIS DAY, is still catching voter fraud, and everyone knows there's more than they don't catch. Laws only matter if the people in charge enforce them. In corrupt areas (NYC, Houston for a Texas example, northern Virginia, pretty much the entire state of NJ, etc.) You can pass every law in the world, but if the person counting the votes is corrupt and has an agenda, then it doesn't matter now does it?
Listen, no one expected a red sweep. That would have been ridiculous in current conditions. From what I can tell most people were expecting Cuomo to win over the muslim, For Virginia to lose the governor seat given sears was a weak candidate, and at least one other state wide position, possibly all three, BUT win back or even out their state house with a 50/50 split (instead the liberals now have a super majority for the first time in decades), and the only real possible wins would have been the NJ governorship and the PA judge votes.
But now there's proof of massive AM ballot dumps in virginia to the tune of hundreds of thousands in VA (https://greatawakening.win/p/1ARK0TUbcB/oh-look-its-the-2020-fraud-tacti/c/), on top of everything I and everyone else pointed out about it being essentially impossible for EVERY county in the state of Virginia shifting high single or low double digits leftward, including counties that have shifted rightward in EVERY election, including off elections and midterms, for decades because they're appalachian coal country counties.
Pretending like voter fraud doesn't exist anymore is what's pissing people off. It's like people just forgot all of those charts and evidence from 2020 that most blue states probably are NOT actually blue and they just cheat in massive amounts to make them blue. Like I said in my original post. Has everyone just literally forgot all the stuff Kash and others did in 2020 that showed the massive cheating algorithms or all the evidence that california and new york went red before the cheating kicked into overdrive?
Why is it so hard for some people to accept there was cheating the other night? Literally nothing has changed as far as election security at the state level in most states, so of course the cheating hasn't stopped. And that's what's pissing people off. Not that we "didn't sweep", but because NOTHING has changed, and certain people are coming up with EVERY excuse under the sun to explain it away EXCEPT the obvious voter fraud.
Maybe the "young women" voting yesterday were ghost voters likely created by Dominion machines.
Well then that's really an issue, seeing as how Dominion machines are now owned by a patriot...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/09/dominion-voting-systems-sold?utm_source=chatgpt.com
I'm not sure if it was just women. Economic concerns don't usually split along sex