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Say hello to Jacob Boettcher Belz, whose name appears in the radical anti-ICE Signal group chat now under @FBI investigation. Jacob is Normandale Lutheran Church's Director of Youth Ministry. He's married to a man. (twitter.com)
posted 140 days ago by brain_dead 140 days ago by brain_dead +104 / -0
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– ozthentic 10 points 140 days ago +10 / -0

ANY Christians who support or TITHE to churches like this NEED to hit their knees in prayer and ask for WISDOM or maybe start reading your bible! BECAUSE this is BS.

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– brain_dead [S] 3 points 140 days ago +3 / -0

They are too late.

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– pnwhomebrewer 3 points 140 days ago +3 / -0

None of these people are Christian. Mainline Protestantism in many places in this country is a fucking joke.

Every branch of Protestantism whether Anglicanism, Lutheranism, Methodist, Calvanists etc. has an openly gay part of it. Part of that is infiltration and part of that is horrible theology and not actually fearing your salvation.

These people think they will be saved even if they live openly blasphemous lives.

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– gobby 1 point 140 days ago +1 / -0

Don't forget the homo catholic priests and child rapists. The devil is always trying to corrupt God's people and infiltrate their spaces with his own kind.

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– Rooks 1 point 140 days ago +1 / -0

That's a pretty broad statement. Are you championing the Catholic vs. Protestant argument?

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– pnwhomebrewer 3 points 140 days ago +3 / -0

The Catholic Church has its issues too. Many of the authors of Vatican 2 were homosexual infiltrators. The guy who specifically wrote Nostra Aetate. Was a crypto Jew homosexual. Who left the church after doing irreparable damage to it.

Zionists, Marxists and Homosexuals have infiltrated Protestants and Catholics alike.

The traditional Latin mass communities like Fraternity of St Peter and Fraternity of St Pius X are super based. And I went to a traditional Lutheran College that was was Lutheran Missouri Synod (traditional Lutheranism) they are not woke. The Lutheran Church by my house though is.

The most woke stuff I have seen comes from Episcopalians.

But yes in terms in theology I don’t believe in once saved always saved.

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– glade 8 points 140 days ago +8 / -0

very jewish name

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– AmateurExpert 6 points 140 days ago +6 / -0

Was about to note this.

Have seen other Progressive Church pastors/leadership with similar names.

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– pnwhomebrewer 4 points 140 days ago +4 / -0

Marxists for a long time have been recruited to infiltrate mainline Protestant churches to weaken the faith.

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– AmateurExpert 1 point 140 days ago +1 / -0

I bet that if churches worked on building new pastors from within instead of hiring them out of seminaries like any old run-of-the-mill employer just looking to fill a positional role, this would happen a lot less.

Is the “pastor/flock” model even how the church originally worked? I can’t see there being pastors when Christianity was operating under the home-meeting structure without fixed “synagogues” as it were.

Haven’t seen The Chosen yet, but there’s an older cartoon called The Story Keepers that shows some insight into that model. I know some people who keep it, currently.

Maybe make the “pastors” into, if there is an external building, the people who make sure it is meeting congregational needs. I always thought the old monastic model was onto something, except without them being so isolated from the community - they keep up the building, study, garden, help the congregation when needed, etc, but don’t really “shepherd the flock” so to speak.

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– pnwhomebrewer 1 point 140 days ago +1 / -0

That depends on your denomination in the modern day. The Apostolic churches (Catholic, Coptic, Orthodox etc.) trace their lineage through the apostles and have what is called Apostolic Succession. But the early church worked through the Apostles and who they taught and ordained. For example St. John who was a disciple of Christ taught St. Ignatius of Antioch who then taught Polycarp the bishop of Smyrna so on and so forth.

The first half of the service was for all and the second half was for Baptized members to partake in the Eucharist (communion).

Not sure how Orthodox do it now but in the modern day Catholic priests do seminary through a priestly fraternal order (St. Peter, Franciscans, Augustianians, Jesuits,) etc. there is still apostolic succession but different orders emphasize different things and might do mass differently. For example the Fraternity of St Peter is a traditional mass order.

Protestants have theological seminaries tied to their denomination. Calvinist, Lutheran etc. and often according to their specific church in their denomination. My Uncle was a Lutheran pastor who went to a LCMC Lutheran seminary. So the LCMC (leans conservative) LCMS (very conservative) and the ELCA (woke garbage). Will have different seminaries for their denominations.

With all the different Protestant denominations I can’t speak for all of them but that is how it generally works.

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– crucialchicken 3 points 140 days ago +3 / -0

EVERY

SINGLE

TIME

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– brain_dead [S] 2 points 140 days ago +2 / -0

Jacob, you mean?

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– glade 4 points 140 days ago +4 / -0

that and Belz

another shapeshifter

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– brain_dead [S] 1 point 140 days ago +1 / -0

I don't know that Belz is a Jewish name. Thanks.

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– glade 5 points 140 days ago +5 / -0

Belz is a surname of Germanic and Ashkenazic Jewish origin, derived from the town of Belz in western Ukraine (historically part of Galicia, within the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth). The name likely comes from the Polish word belza, meaning "alder," possibly indicating an occupational link to alder wood or a habitational name for someone from the town. The surname became particularly prominent through the Belz Hasidic Dynasty, founded in the early 19th century by Rabbi Shalom Rokeach (the Sar Shalom), who established a major Hasidic movement. After surviving the Holocaust, the dynasty was re-established in Israel, with the Belz community now centered in Jerusalem and New York. The name is common among Ashkenazi Jews and is also found in variations such as Belcer, Belser, and Belzec.

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– Brent75 [M] 1 point 140 days ago +1 / -0

Careful Anon. Careful please.

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– glade 3 points 140 days ago +3 / -0

tip toeing

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– TheVerboten1 7 points 140 days ago +7 / -0

Gay men should never be allowed to work with children. This Lutheran church has fallen when they put a gay man married to another man in a position of ministry, especially of youth.

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– brain_dead [S] 1 point 139 days ago +1 / -0

Tell me about it. If I walk into a church and the minister is gay married to another, I walk out.

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– Oh_Well_ian 4 points 140 days ago +4 / -0

Pedophile males marry and adopt lifetime victims or position themselves near children in pro LGBTQ churches, groups and programs.

Pete Buttigieg and his 'husband' are a perfect example and I'm extremely confident that's what's going on here. They've created in many ways a government funded pedophile ring and grooming operation.

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– HenryBowman1984 2 points 140 days ago +2 / -0

Calirado governor poleass is gay, married a man and bought 2 kids. And is a dual citizen…with guess what country??

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– Oh_Well_ian 2 points 140 days ago +2 / -0

✡️

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– brain_dead [S] 2 points 139 days ago +2 / -0

You are talking about gang initiation (same thing). Those in that gang and in position have to do certain things. Pedophile is the name.

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– Oh_Well_ian 2 points 139 days ago +2 / -0

Correct, this is a cult

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– brain_dead [S] 2 points 139 days ago +2 / -0

Oh yes.

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– Imwideawake 3 points 140 days ago +3 / -0

“There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. Therefore whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light and what you have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed upon the house tops. I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who after he has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear him!” Luke 12:2-5

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– brain_dead [S] 1 point 139 days ago +1 / -0

Amen. Love it that you are quoting the Bible.

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– l3tsgetit 2 points 140 days ago +2 / -0

Lutheran charities have been supporting illegal immigrants for decades

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– brain_dead [S] 1 point 139 days ago +1 / -0

They have become totally corrupt.

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– Magpi 2 points 140 days ago +2 / -0

Well soon he can be married to an entire prison full of men. Unfortunately, he'll probably enjoy it.

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– brain_dead [S] 1 point 139 days ago +1 / -0

Howls.

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