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The evidence that the rapture happened in 70AD is a lot to take in

That's not what I'm suggesting at all.

The idea of a secret, pre tribulation rapture where Christians vanish, airplanes lose pilots, and history splits into prophetic compartments was not the settled hope of the church for eighteen centuries. It is a theological novelty that arrived late to the party and is still rearranging the furniture.

If we are going to name names, the system was popularized by John Nelson Darby in the 19th century. Darby developed a new framework called dispensationalism, which sharply divided Israel and the Church and introduced a secret coming of Christ before a seven year tribulation.

Before Darby, you do not find church fathers, medieval theologians, Reformers, or Puritans teaching a two stage coming of Christ. You find one visible, glorious return, one resurrection, one final judgment. That is it.

Augustine? One return. Aquinas? One return. Luther? One return. Calvin? One return.

If the rapture doctrine were apostolic teaching, it managed to hide from the entire church through persecution, councils, reformations, and revivals. That would be an impressive disappearing act.

Now how did it spread?

Enter Cyrus I. Scofield and the Scofield Reference Bible.

Scofield took Darby’s system and embedded it directly into the notes of an immensely popular study Bible first published in 1909. For many American evangelicals, the footnotes became practically inspired commentary. When your Bible tells you what every prophetic verse means right there on the page, you tend to absorb it.

The timing was also strategic. The early 20th century was marked by world wars, social upheaval, and rising modernism. A system that said, “The world is doomed, things must get worse, and we will be evacuated before the fireworks,” resonated. It was pessimism with an escape hatch.

But that is not what the historic church confessed.

Look at the creeds. The Apostles’ Creed: “He will come again to judge the living and the dead.” Not come secretly, then come again later, then start a stopwatch. The Nicene Creed says the same. One coming. Public. Final.

Even the Reformers, who were not post millennial across the board, did not teach a secret removal of the church seven years before the end. That scheme simply was not on the radar.

Now from a post millennial standpoint, the rapture system is not just historically recent. It reshapes the storyline of Scripture. Instead of Christ reigning now and gradually subduing His enemies through the gospel, history becomes a downward spiral that requires emergency extraction.

But Psalm 110 says the Messiah sits at the Father’s right hand until His enemies are made His footstool. Not until He abandons the field.

So the case is straightforward:

1. No clear articulation of a pre tribulation secret rapture in the first eighteen centuries of the church.

2. Systematized by Darby in the 1800s.

3. Mass popularized by the Scofield Reference Bible in 1909.

4. Cemented in American evangelical imagination through prophecy conferences and later novels.

If a doctrine cannot be found in the early church, is absent from the creeds, unknown to the Reformers, and then suddenly appears in the 19th century with a brand new interpretive grid, the burden of proof rests heavily on the innovator.

The church did not spend eighteen hundred years missing the blessed hope. The blessed hope is the visible, bodily return of Christ to judge the world and consummate the kingdom He is presently advancing.

The tribulation already happened

understood as a first century covenantal judgment, culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Here is the general timeline as post millennialists commonly frame it:

1. The Tribulation Begins in the Apostolic Era Roughly AD 30 to mid 60s Jesus predicted a coming “great tribulation” in Matthew 24. He tied it explicitly to “this generation.” That places the fulfillment within forty years of His prophecy. After Christ’s ascension: The church experiences persecution from unbelieving Jews. Apostles are imprisoned and martyred. Stephen is stoned. James is executed. Paul is repeatedly beaten and imprisoned. This is the beginning birth pang phase.
2. Intensification Under Nero AD 64 to 68 Under Nero, persecution becomes imperial policy. After the Great Fire of Rome in AD 64: Christians are blamed. Public executions become grotesque spectacles. Believers are burned, crucified, and torn apart. This period aligns closely with Revelation’s beast imagery and the height of tribulation language.
3. The Jewish War AD 66 to 70 In AD 66, Jewish revolt against Rome begins. Rome responds decisively: Vespasian leads the campaign. Jerusalem is surrounded. Famine devastates the city. Internal civil war erupts inside Jerusalem. This climaxes in AD 70 when Roman forces under Titus destroy the Temple. The Temple’s destruction marks: The end of the Old Covenant sacrificial system. The collapse of the old covenant “heaven and earth.” The fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy that not one stone would be left upon another. This event is viewed as the peak of the Great Tribulation.
4. After AD 70 From the post millennial view: The tribulation is not ongoing in a unique prophetic sense. The kingdom continues expanding through the gospel. Christ reigns presently from heaven. History gradually moves toward global discipling of the nations. The final return of Christ is still future, but it is not preceded by a distinct seven year tribulation period.

God wins. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making all of his enemies his footstool. His kingdom never stops expanding.

The lie that most Christians believe currently puts Israel Central to Future fulfillment of prophecy. The scripture does not.

Imagine that.... The Rothschilds funding the world's first study Bible with footnotes in it that teaches Christians they must support Israel. Arguably the greatest psyop of all time

Ah yes, 2 Peter 3. The go to verse whenever someone feels their end times chart wobble.

Let us look at it without clutching a prophecy conference brochure.

First, the passage. Peter says that in the last days scoffers will come, saying, “Where is the promise of His coming?” They argue that all things continue as they were. Peter responds by pointing to the flood as proof that God has intervened before and will intervene again.

Now here is the key question. What “coming” is Peter talking about?

If you assume without argument that every reference to the Lord’s coming means the end of world history, then of course you will read it that way. But Scripture does not use the word “coming” that narrowly. God “came” in judgment against Egypt. He “came” against Babylon. He “came” against Jerusalem repeatedly in the prophets. None of those involved the sun disintegrating.

Peter is writing to first century Christians facing Jewish opposition. Scoffers were mocking the promise that Jesus would come in judgment, particularly upon apostate Israel. “Everything continues as it always has,” they said. Sound familiar? It is the same tune played before the flood. Judgment delayed does not mean judgment denied.

Peter’s flood analogy actually strengthens the preterist reading. The flood was a covenantal world ending event. The “world” of the ungodly perished, yet the planet remained. Likewise, the old covenant world centered in Jerusalem was about to be swept away. That is precisely what happened in AD 70 when Rome flattened the city. The heavens and earth of that covenant order passed away.

Notice also Peter’s audience relevance. He says the day of the Lord will come like a thief. Jesus used that language repeatedly about Jerusalem within that generation. You do not warn first century believers about something two thousand years distant and call it imminent without doing violence to language.

Now, does 2 Peter 3 have ultimate cosmic implications? Certainly. Final judgment is real. But the immediate thrust of the passage addresses the collapse of the old covenant order, vindicating Christ and silencing scoffers who thought He would never act.

The historical point is simple. Christ did come in judgment against Jerusalem, just as He promised. That was not the end of history. It was the beginning of the new covenant world’s public triumph. The kingdom was not vaporized. It advanced.

So when you wave 2 Peter 3 as though it topples the Nero case, it is rather like bringing a garden hose to stop a freight train. The text, read in context, supports the reality of covenantal judgment in history. It does not demand that every “coming” be the last trumpet and cosmic meltdown.

Scoffers were wrong then. They are still wrong now. Christ keeps His appointments. "Last days" doesn't translate to Armageddon. It means the end of the age, not the end of the world.... And the end of the sacrificial age ended in 70AD when Jesus came on the clouds in judgment within the same generation He promised he would and did what He promised He would do.

If you want to continue actually make an argument instead of posting just scripture (without your own thoughts) that I understand the same way Christians did for 1800+ years while you clearly do not.