DEI "pilot" in 3...2...1...
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Stupid comment. A plane that size on a runway gets blocked by a fire truck and you think a man could have prevented that? Law of gross tonnage applies.
I think his point is that DEI caused the blockage.
Apologies if thats what he meant. Id agree with that
This seems to be a massive communications fuck up between the tower, the plane, and the emergency equipment. My guess is that the fire truck responding to a call was given clearance to cross the active runway but the tower did not tell the plane that was landing to go around. Or, the fire truck thought they had the clearance to cross the active runway but didn't. Or the tower thought they told the fire truck to hold position until the plane landed then they could proceed. Either way, this all seems like just a tragic accident that might have been brought on by miscommunication.
Correct, ATC fucked up.
Agree, the Tower is the control. No vehicle moves onto or crosses an active runway unless advised to do so by Tower.
I'm not sure I've gotten this right (too tired, need sleep), but from listening to the ATC audio it appears the truck was cleared then the ATC dude was informed of a runway being closed (presumably by another ATC operator, a gal) and the ATC dude tried to get the truck to stop, repeatedly urging the truck to "Stop. Stop, stop...", but in those few seconds there was no indication from the truck driver that the message had been received and then the collision occurred.
It's unclear (to me) whether the closed runway was #4 and this because it was being actively used by the incoming Air Canada flight, closed to vehicles, or if some original arrival runway had been closed and the AC plane had been rerouted to runway #4, which the ATC dude had just authorized the vehicle to proceed on. In either case, he tried to get the vehicle to stop, but that short delay proved tragic.
Edit: Listening to this again, it appears the female voice saying the runway is closed is AFTER the crash, not before. So the truck had been cleared to proceed then seconds later was told to stop, but that was too late. The runway and the entire airport were closed by ATC almost immediately following the crash.
3/22 ? It was planned !
To be fair, planes have the right of way on the runways vs any vehicle. That said, DEI driving the fire truck is a very distinct possibility.
That seems to be on everyone's bingo card.
ATC gave the truck permission to cross the runway.
Truck was driving at an angle to where the driver wouldn't see the incoming plane (shoulda had a passenger check for planes coming in IMO)
this is 99% fault of ATC sending a truck across an active runway with a plane landing on it
This is the only correct answer. Nobody moves across a runway unless ATC clears them. They did. They they actually looked at that big green screen with the flying things on it - realized they cleared one to land - and tried to stop a moving fire truck halfway across a runway.
Now the question becomes - was there only one ATC guy, were they short, and when are there going to be enough ATC people that these accidents stop happening.
Personally I would add in: when are the authorities going to re-test everyone to weed out the ones that were approved by cheating or DEI.
https://avweb.com/recent-updates/business-military/cheating-allegations-surround-atc-hiring-process/
Even with clearance, it's the operators job to check if the runway is clear, before crossing: it was the job of the trunk's operator to check right/left/center to make sure the runway was clear. That plane on arrival, with the landing lights on, would have been hard to miss.
The audio sounded like the fire truck may be the problem. Though I could easily be wrong.
the truck was given permission to cross the runway.
ATC fucked up by letting an airplane land ands ending a fire truck in front of it.
Pilots weren't the cause. DEI might be involved with tower staffing, but your headline isn't accurate.
It’s confusing, but I think that it is two planes and one truck. I think the stop, stop, stop was to the plane on the ground.
Speculation: the fire truck stopped on the runway when it should have continued to cross. Because of the stop, stop, stop communication.