1 of them was originally a Hull the Soviets were building in Ukraine. Then the USSR fell apart and The Ukrainians turned it into a Floating Casino. Then the Chinese bought the hull off the Ukrainians.
The 2nd is a part for part copy of the former Casino. The 3rd is actually a design that is unique.
Given their track record so far with the Military and blatant corruption. It seems like it’s 50/50 odds it’s Nuclear Powered or a Nuclear Disaster. Because someone skimped on reactor parts to put the down payment on a McMansion or something in a foreign country.
The latest carrier, the Fujian, is not ready for prime time. So far, it is mostly a show piece - as is most of China's advanced military hardware. The Fujian spends a lot of time at the shipyard since its official launch. It also lacks a dedicated crew for operations that takes time to develop. China may have leapfrogged on the technology, mostly by theft and reverse engineering, but having trained carrier personnel is seriously lacking.
You gave a good rundown on their other 2 carriers' history. And yes, all 3 of their carriers are diesel. Not a good choice when using EMALS as is the case with the Fujian. Basically, under combat conditions, they can't effectively meet the energy demands of a fully operational carrier.
In order to install the EMALS on the Fujian, which was decided by Xi after the Fujian was already under construction, they screwed up on the flight deck geometry in order to accommodate the EMALS system. The Fujian can't simultaneously launch and recover at the same time time. It also had to move the island from its original location and lost some space in the holding areas on the deck. I also suspect there is a problem with one of the launch area's EMALS not working properly. It doesn't appear to have been used much since the deflector plate shows no evidence of use - it looks untouched. There are also no publicly released photos or videos of a J-35 being launched from the Fujian - the twin engine so called stealth fighter that the carrier was supposedly designed to accommodate.
The J-35 itself also has issues. China's homegrown engines don't perform well. Flight hours logged before needing overhaul is very limited - a few hundred hours if at that. A far cry from our own engines. The overall percentage of flight ready J-35s in their fleet at any given time is low. China has yet to make a turbine blade that can tolerate the demands of jet engine flight. They have hit a metallurgic wall they can't seem to break through. They can steal the recipe but they still can't bake the cake. The J-35 might look impressive on the outside and in brochures, but it's heart is weak.
They tested the aircraft's stealth capabilities by using their own failed radar systems that claim to detect F-35s. These are the same radar systems that recently demonstrated how well they performed in Pakistan, Venezuela. and Iran. With China its all about promotion and hyping up capabilities with no credible test data to back up the claims. Trust me bro. But when push comes to shove, rarely do they perform as advertised. Many countries that purchased advanced Chinese military hardware are having buyers remorse. A couple of countries already have had to ground their entire fleets of Chinese fighter jets. China's defense industry isn't doing well at the moment.
So overall, China is pretty much a paper tiger. They may have the numbers on paper and can still do some damage, but they are no match against the US especially after witnessing how well their equipment performs when it counts.
Two Chinese aircraft carriers have ski ramp takeoff launch, an old soviet design. The ramp is a curved upward slope to launch aircraft using their own engine thrust rather than catapults. Only lightly loaded jets with a high thrust-to-weight ratio can launch, so it's smaller surveillance and fast strike jets only.
China's third carrier has electromagnetic catapults which allow for the launch of a wider variety of aircraft, including heavy payloads more like the U.S. carriers.
China wouldn't use aircraft carriers to attack Taiwan. They would use land-based aircraft and missiles. The Taiwan Strait is too narrow and dangerous for aircraft carriers. China has dozens of airbases within easy range of Taiwan. A Chinese carrier in the Taiwan Strait during a war makes it a target without having a tactical advantage.
So far, I believe Chinese carrier groups have sailed as far as Guam, and stayed out in the Pacific for up to 20-30 days on deployment. They've proven some ability to operate away from Chinese territory for short time periods.
Do NOT underestimate the Chinese technology or industrial sector. Your post was probably typed on 80+% of Chinese technology. Yes it very well be copied or stolen R&D but the ingenuity of the Chinese is 2nd to nobody (India is a close 2nd). Years ago (early ‘70’s) my father walked into the U.S. Patent Office and in the large room were 100+ Asians, once the Patent was filed they all got in line and paid for the paper copy of the patent to copy or reverse engineer. I was totally shocked at 9 years old since my father had worked on this for years.
Understand one thing. The entire Chinese system is rife with systemic corruption. By the time money flows down to purchase components and materials, most of that money has been siphoned off through layers of subcontractors. Very little is left to invest in the actual product. This leads to shortcuts and cheaper substitutions. Timelines and goals for procurement and deployment are based upon political needs while the physics and engineering be damned. In the last couple of years, a whole lot of light has been shed at the absolute rot within China's defense industry and in their military itself. Lately, many heads and subordinates of leading Chinese defense sectors have disappeared or are under investigation. Much of China's military command has been purged leaving it hollow.
The Chinese may be good innovators, but they have issues actually fabricating materials and equipment that require precise tolerance and composition. Just because they can steal the recipe doesn't mean they can actually bake the cake. This is where they come up short. Just look at how well some of their military hardware has actually performed under combat conditions recently. The Chinese are always good at blaming operator failures for the lack of performance when it comes to anything that fails. But there have been too many failures recently for anyone to continue buying that excuse anymore. Chinese equipment performance often does not live up to the promoted hype.
Their hopes to go after Taiwan have been dashed by the god emperor.
I'd love to see China returned to isolation...
Fingers crossed.
It’s a shame the US Military now has control over the Straits of Hormuz AND Malacca.
1 of them was originally a Hull the Soviets were building in Ukraine. Then the USSR fell apart and The Ukrainians turned it into a Floating Casino. Then the Chinese bought the hull off the Ukrainians.
The 2nd is a part for part copy of the former Casino. The 3rd is actually a design that is unique.
Made from old slot machine parts 😂
4th will be nuke...
Given their track record so far with the Military and blatant corruption. It seems like it’s 50/50 odds it’s Nuclear Powered or a Nuclear Disaster. Because someone skimped on reactor parts to put the down payment on a McMansion or something in a foreign country.
The latest carrier, the Fujian, is not ready for prime time. So far, it is mostly a show piece - as is most of China's advanced military hardware. The Fujian spends a lot of time at the shipyard since its official launch. It also lacks a dedicated crew for operations that takes time to develop. China may have leapfrogged on the technology, mostly by theft and reverse engineering, but having trained carrier personnel is seriously lacking.
You gave a good rundown on their other 2 carriers' history. And yes, all 3 of their carriers are diesel. Not a good choice when using EMALS as is the case with the Fujian. Basically, under combat conditions, they can't effectively meet the energy demands of a fully operational carrier.
In order to install the EMALS on the Fujian, which was decided by Xi after the Fujian was already under construction, they screwed up on the flight deck geometry in order to accommodate the EMALS system. The Fujian can't simultaneously launch and recover at the same time time. It also had to move the island from its original location and lost some space in the holding areas on the deck. I also suspect there is a problem with one of the launch area's EMALS not working properly. It doesn't appear to have been used much since the deflector plate shows no evidence of use - it looks untouched. There are also no publicly released photos or videos of a J-35 being launched from the Fujian - the twin engine so called stealth fighter that the carrier was supposedly designed to accommodate.
The J-35 itself also has issues. China's homegrown engines don't perform well. Flight hours logged before needing overhaul is very limited - a few hundred hours if at that. A far cry from our own engines. The overall percentage of flight ready J-35s in their fleet at any given time is low. China has yet to make a turbine blade that can tolerate the demands of jet engine flight. They have hit a metallurgic wall they can't seem to break through. They can steal the recipe but they still can't bake the cake. The J-35 might look impressive on the outside and in brochures, but it's heart is weak.
They tested the aircraft's stealth capabilities by using their own failed radar systems that claim to detect F-35s. These are the same radar systems that recently demonstrated how well they performed in Pakistan, Venezuela. and Iran. With China its all about promotion and hyping up capabilities with no credible test data to back up the claims. Trust me bro. But when push comes to shove, rarely do they perform as advertised. Many countries that purchased advanced Chinese military hardware are having buyers remorse. A couple of countries already have had to ground their entire fleets of Chinese fighter jets. China's defense industry isn't doing well at the moment.
So overall, China is pretty much a paper tiger. They may have the numbers on paper and can still do some damage, but they are no match against the US especially after witnessing how well their equipment performs when it counts.
China is a facade sadly thy have lost focus
Two Chinese aircraft carriers have ski ramp takeoff launch, an old soviet design. The ramp is a curved upward slope to launch aircraft using their own engine thrust rather than catapults. Only lightly loaded jets with a high thrust-to-weight ratio can launch, so it's smaller surveillance and fast strike jets only.
China's third carrier has electromagnetic catapults which allow for the launch of a wider variety of aircraft, including heavy payloads more like the U.S. carriers.
China wouldn't use aircraft carriers to attack Taiwan. They would use land-based aircraft and missiles. The Taiwan Strait is too narrow and dangerous for aircraft carriers. China has dozens of airbases within easy range of Taiwan. A Chinese carrier in the Taiwan Strait during a war makes it a target without having a tactical advantage.
So far, I believe Chinese carrier groups have sailed as far as Guam, and stayed out in the Pacific for up to 20-30 days on deployment. They've proven some ability to operate away from Chinese territory for short time periods.
China makes crap, I'd not want to be in their military.
Do NOT underestimate the Chinese technology or industrial sector. Your post was probably typed on 80+% of Chinese technology. Yes it very well be copied or stolen R&D but the ingenuity of the Chinese is 2nd to nobody (India is a close 2nd). Years ago (early ‘70’s) my father walked into the U.S. Patent Office and in the large room were 100+ Asians, once the Patent was filed they all got in line and paid for the paper copy of the patent to copy or reverse engineer. I was totally shocked at 9 years old since my father had worked on this for years.
Understand one thing. The entire Chinese system is rife with systemic corruption. By the time money flows down to purchase components and materials, most of that money has been siphoned off through layers of subcontractors. Very little is left to invest in the actual product. This leads to shortcuts and cheaper substitutions. Timelines and goals for procurement and deployment are based upon political needs while the physics and engineering be damned. In the last couple of years, a whole lot of light has been shed at the absolute rot within China's defense industry and in their military itself. Lately, many heads and subordinates of leading Chinese defense sectors have disappeared or are under investigation. Much of China's military command has been purged leaving it hollow.
The Chinese may be good innovators, but they have issues actually fabricating materials and equipment that require precise tolerance and composition. Just because they can steal the recipe doesn't mean they can actually bake the cake. This is where they come up short. Just look at how well some of their military hardware has actually performed under combat conditions recently. The Chinese are always good at blaming operator failures for the lack of performance when it comes to anything that fails. But there have been too many failures recently for anyone to continue buying that excuse anymore. Chinese equipment performance often does not live up to the promoted hype.
India you mean the place we're outsourcing all our software development to turn everything to slop?
They can't venture too far due to the fact that they are diesel and not nuclear. Therefore, their blue water range is limited.
FFO. Furnace Fuel Oil.
The mustache should be dark and greasy aud it would be perfect!
It started out as a got milk jpg. heh
Yeah, very apt!