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If Beating China At AI Is Paramount, Why Are We Training Their Students At Our Universities? (thefederalist.com)
posted 33 days ago by Mow-Lawn-Lah-Bay 33 days ago by Mow-Lawn-Lah-Bay +93 / -0
Why Train China's Students If We Want To Beat Them At AI?
By accepting Chinese students, Trump is helping America's chief adversary outflank the United States in AI development.
thefederalist.com
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– bubble_bursts 8 points 33 days ago +8 / -0

Because they are dumber than the money they pay, so its cost effective to take their money 🤣

Jokes apart, Trump said it clearly - if you just pull the rug it will destroy a lot of American universities. You gotta wean it off slowly.

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– Mow-Lawn-Lah-Bay [S] 12 points 33 days ago +12 / -0

if you just pull the rug it will destroy a lot of American universities.

I'm not sure that would be a bad thing.

The less indoctrination stations the better IMHO.

Make trade schools great again....

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– MEGAMAGAULTRA 2 points 33 days ago +2 / -0

Right? Are we not a capitalistic nation? If you can't survive because of foreign Chinese students, sounds like you're university's business plan and operations suck and will [and should] fail.

Propping up universities because of a relatively low number of Chinese students is insane.

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– IAMMEFORREAL 5 points 33 days ago +5 / -0

Maybe the universities need destroyed...

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– treepainter 6 points 33 days ago +6 / -0

Hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer to get rid of a headache.

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– Donny_Fiasco 5 points 33 days ago +5 / -0

I don't want any foreign students whatsoever, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as that.

Beating China is the cover to accelerate our progress with Ai.

To what end, we can only speculate. But I'm sure it's not just we need "ai for more ai!"

Part of me thinks there's a disaster coming that they all know about.

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– MEGAMAGAULTRA 3 points 33 days ago +3 / -0

Part of me thinks there's a disaster coming that they all know about.

Any thoughts on what? I'm of the same line of thinking.

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– Donny_Fiasco 1 point 33 days ago +1 / -0

I always come back to the Samson option.

I believe that Israel has strategically placed bombs near power stations and when they find out the jig is up with Iran, they'll have nothing to lose.

Of course it could be a cataclysmic event also. Maybe there's a asteroid heading our way in which the subsequent dust cloud will block out the sun for months

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– GA_Logic 1 point 33 days ago +1 / -0

Interstellar movie may have been warning of what is needed for humanity to survive and quantum computing and AI seems right up that alley.

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– JohnnyMagnum357 4 points 33 days ago +4 / -0

I don't think there's any way to beat China with the current dynamics. China is actually doing us a favor for once. They release all of their most powerful models for free and fully or quasi-open source most of them.......

The Anthropics and GPTs can't compete with openSource while they clutch their code like pearls and charge exorbitant fees.

Millions of devs collaborating around the world will eventually make openSource better, faster. JMO

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– tralbolh 4 points 33 days ago +4 / -0

Open source would be including the training data.

None of them do that, not our companies, like Meta, or theirs. Usually not even amateurs.

Why? Among other things, that would reveal that they violated copyrights to the point of crossing the federal criminal threshold.

Every major AI pretraining company does it and you can tell because when you jailbreak a model you can get it to recite copyrighted books verbatim.

The government turns a blind eye because they are afraid of a gap like the paranoid generals in Dr. Strangelove.

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– Tombstone2W 3 points 33 days ago +3 / -0

Intellectual copyrights are bullshit. Once you put an idea out there you can't own it. The greatest authors amd thinkers of all time didn't arise under copyright protection.

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– Mow-Lawn-Lah-Bay [S] 2 points 33 days ago +2 / -0

They release all of their most powerful models for free and fully or quasi-open source most of them

But what if all that free or quasi-open source's have a bug in them.

I don't trust them one fucking bit.....

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– TaQo 1 point 33 days ago +1 / -0

They release all of their most powerful models for free and fully or quasi-open source most of them...

Meh...sorta - but not REALLY:

OSTP Memorandum

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– HenryTheRed 3 points 33 days ago +3 / -0

LGBTQ-map training should work for us back in China. It worked well here.

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– Aspie 3 points 33 days ago +3 / -0

If the universities have become as bad as is said, perhaps it's a good thing to give the Chinese half-ass educations.

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– ToxicLibertyism 1 point 33 days ago +1 / -0

Yes. We are dumbing down the Chinese kids by putting them in US universities.

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– Aspie 2 points 32 days ago +2 / -0

It's just possible. But Asians do have average IQ scores just a bit above white people.

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– ToxicLibertyism 1 point 32 days ago +1 / -0

Of course. Because US kids have been exposed to US universities for a longer period of time.

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– DirectedFartWeapons 2 points 33 days ago +2 / -0

Also something to consider. The current AI path will or is plateauing, so it's going to be a dead end. That's a great way to control the tech adversaries have access to via companies and research. Consider how easily the models have become censorship enforcers or woke enforcers. Don't you think we would have added some poison pills or backdoor techniques into the models before allowing an adversary access to the tech?

For the record too, AI are just fancy statistical math models and they're only as good as the training datasets, hardware and the mathematical foundation they were formulated upon. As protecting Taiwan helps to throttle the hardware side, academic research can also throttle the mathematical foundations and future research paths.

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