SCOTUS is required to rule on cases according tot he Constitution as it was at the time it was ratified, and according to the original intent of the framers.
Birthright citizenship doesn't exist, and never did. The naturalization of foreigners absolutely requires that all foreign allegiances are renounced and that they are not under foreign jurisdiction.
Constitutional text and meaning The 14th Amendment, Section 1 (ratified 1868) states:" All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." This is the clear textual basis for jus soli (citizenship by place of birth). The Citizenship Clause was intended to overturn Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) and secure citizenship for freed slaves and their descendants. The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes narrow categories: children of foreign diplomats (immune from US law), children born to invading enemy forces during occupation, and (historically debated) certain tribal Indians not taxed. It does not exclude children of legal or illegal immigrants who are domiciled here. The Supreme Court confirmed this in United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898): A child born in the US to Chinese immigrant parents (who were not US citizens and remained subjects of China) was a US citizen. The Court held that "subject to the jurisdiction" means subject to the territorial jurisdiction and authority of the US government—i.e., owing it temporary allegiance while within its borders—not full political membership or absence of any foreign nationality claim. This has been the prevailing interpretation for over 125 years. Naturalization vs. birthright You are correct on naturalization (for those not born citizens):The Naturalization Act and oath require renouncing "all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty." Applicants must generally be lawful permanent residents for years, pass civics/history tests, show good moral character, and take the oath.
This is distinct from birthright citizenship. The two are separate tracks in the Constitution ("born or naturalized"). Dual nationality is tolerated in practice today (the US does not force renunciation of foreign citizenship at birth), though the US requires renunciation only of foreign allegiance upon naturalization. Historical context English common law (which influenced the Framers) recognized birth within the sovereign's domain as creating citizenship, subject to exceptions like diplomats. The 1866 Civil Rights Act (precursor to the 14th Amendment) used nearly identical language: "all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed." Debates during ratification focused on freed slaves and Chinese immigrants, not creating a blanket exclusion for children of foreigners. No Supreme Court case has overturned Wong Kim Ark. Challenges (e.g., to "anchor babies" or illegal immigrants' children) have not succeeded at the highest level. Executive attempts to reinterpret "jurisdiction" via order have been viewed as exceeding presidential power without amendment or legislation.
Immigration was very much addressed by the framers of the Constitution and founders of our Republic:
“[T]he policy or advantage of [immigration] taking place in a body (I mean the settling of them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them. Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they, or their descendants, get assimilated to our customs, measures, and laws: in a word, soon become one people.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country' George Washington, Letter to John Adams (November 15, 1794)
“In the recommendation to admit indiscriminately foreign emigrants of every description to the privileges of American citizens on their first entrance into our country, there is an attempt to break down every pale which has been erected for the preservation of a national spirit and a national character; and to let in the most powerful means of perverting and corrupting both the one and the other.” ~ Alexander Hamilton (1757-1804) American statesman, Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, The Examination, No. 9 (January 18, 1802).
“To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens the moment they put foot in our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty.” ~ Alexander Hamilton (1757-1804) American statesman, Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, The Examination, No. 9 (January 18, 1802).
“The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias and prejudice, and on the love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family. The opinion advanced in Notes on Virginia [by Thomas Jefferson] is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or, if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism?” ~ Alexander Hamilton (1757-1804) American statesman, Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, The Examination, No. 8 (January 12, 1802).
“[T]here is a wide difference between closing the door altogether and throwing it entirely open; between a postponement of fourteen years and an immediate admission to all the rights of citizenship. Some reasonable term ought to be allowed to enable aliens to get rid of foreign and acquire American attachments; to learn the principles and imbibe the spirit of our government; and to admit of at least a probability of their feeling a real interest in our affairs.” ~ Alexander Hamilton (1757-1804) American statesman, Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, The Examination, No. 8 (January 1802).
“[T]he traditional power of the Nation over the alien is a power inherent in every sovereign state.” ~ Justice Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954) Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials Harisiades v. Shaughnessy, 342 U.S. 580, 588–89 (1952)
“[N]othing can be more opposed [to American principles] than the maxims of absolute monarchies. Yet, from such, we are to expect the greater number of emigrants. They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogenous, incoherent, distracted mass.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 8 (1783)
“What can be more reasonable than that when crowds of them [immigrants] come here, they should be forced to renounce everything contrary to the spirit of the Constitution[?]” ~ James Madison (1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President James Madison, House of Representatives, Naturalization Bills (January 1, 1795); Philip B. Kurland and Ralph Lerner, eds., The Founders’ Constitution, Volume Two: Preamble through Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 (Indianapolis: Liberty Fund, 2000), 577.
“For more than a century, this Court has recognized that the admission and exclusion of foreign nationals is a 'fundamental sovereign attribute exercised by the Government’s political departments largely immune from judicial control.'” ~ Justice John G. Roberts, Jr. (1955-) Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court Trump v. Hawaii, 585 U.S. 667, 682 (2018)
Correct, I am US naturalized citizen and they told me to be able to become US citizen I needed to renounce to my original citizenship which I did, but Members of Congress are from Jewish families and Middle Eastern others countries too and they have double citizenship why is that? Plus they are naturalized citizens. These people are dangerous they are not like me that I really love this country. They are traitors.
counterargument (still upvoting yours for great input):
Wong Kim was born to parents legally in the USA. The Supreme Court did not get a chance in that case to determine if the 14th Am. as so interpreted applied to children born of illegal aliens.
“The Citizenship Clause was intended to overturn Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) and secure citizenship for freed slaves and their descendants. The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes narrow categories: children of foreign diplomats (immune from US law), children born to invading enemy forces during occupation, and (historically debated) certain tribal Indians not taxed. It does not exclude children of legal or illegal immigrants who are domiciled here.”
yes it does: compare with the 14th Am. architect Sen. Jacob Howard’s 1866 Civil Rights Act, it defined citizens born in the U.S. & not subject to any foreign powers. Children born to parents whose citizenship / allegiance is to foreign posers = subject themselves by descent.
the 14th Am. was designed to make as part of the Constitution the Senator’s Civil Rts. Act
page 2890 of the Congressional Globe (39th Congress, 1st Session, hosted by the University of North Texas Libraries Digital Collection)
The Direct Quote: Presenting the amendment on May 30, 1866, Senator Howard stated:
"This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already... It settles the great question of citizenship and clears away a great deal of doubt which has surrounded that subject... This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."
Other countries, especially adversaries can control our elections. They can insert tens of thousands into swing districts to control the winner and can extort many more. They can do this every two years and bring their birthright citizens back to China after each election. Countries like China have the money to house them in any district they want. Even Mexico can control districts.
Signs and Billboards are being put up all over our Southern Border, and Mexico, advertising BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, with “Deliveries starting at $4000.” Likewise, similar signs going up all over our Country. Billions of Dollars will be illegally made by this SCAM, with Citizenship going to anyone willing to pay. It will be, by far, the number one way of becoming a citizen, and then the entire family will be allowed to follow. Not sustainable. NOBODY SAW THIS COMING!!! AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP IS NOT FOR SALE! In fact, that is a crime, and therefore, the Supreme Court’s ruling is wrong. I will be asking for a Rehearing by the United States Supreme Court, IMMEDIATELY. This miscarriage of justice will destroy America if they don’t change their absolutely insane decision. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP
Trump must ask the SC a question. 'IF the Obviously Illegal alien invaders were ........ Russian or Chinese would they allow them to plant anchor 'citizens' Illegally?
I don't think you want to hear their answer. The SC committed treason by supplying material and other means to enemies of the nation. By upholding birthright citizenship to 8+ billion people. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, hell all of the founding fathers would've burnt the fucking place down by now with this ruling.
apologies for reddit but in the comments you’ll see things like, “selling us out for his own profit”, “is he planning to turn the US into a third world country?”, comments mentioning human trafficking, criminal gangs, things we are all very concerned about ourselves.
…and of course, the usual hitler comparisons because they’re rabidly brainwashed lmfao
but zooming out, those comments are recent, from 7 months ago. i’m sure it’s still on many of their minds, and i’m sure it’s not just that comment section who felt that way. the gold card might have been the perfect prelude to this act.
and i mean, let’s be real. no human trafficker or gang or criminal is paying a MILLION dollars to get anyone in the US when they can just walk in for FREE.
Millionaires are fleeing Europe. Trump is cashing in. In more ways than one. Because they also bring their money here. At least a major chunk of it. But all of these Golden Visa people are well vetted.
This is why President Trump is the best president we've ever had. He doesn't give up at the first sign of adversity. He regroups and tries again. We are so lucky to have him!
We're going to be blowing up maternity ships full of chinese babies by the end of this thing. Like the venezuelan drug boats
Our enemies are baptizing their children in the waters of US citizenship. That won't be tolerated by the people any more.
So the SCOTUS decision has created a situation where there will be no choice but to consider sinking foreign baby ships and killing people with dronelasers from crossing borders.
Thanks SCOTUS, you could have just done your job right. Now you've motivated the US government to murder people from space, just to prevent them from invading here.
SCOTUS is required to rule on cases according tot he Constitution as it was at the time it was ratified, and according to the original intent of the framers.
Birthright citizenship doesn't exist, and never did. The naturalization of foreigners absolutely requires that all foreign allegiances are renounced and that they are not under foreign jurisdiction.
Constitutional text and meaning The 14th Amendment, Section 1 (ratified 1868) states:" All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." This is the clear textual basis for jus soli (citizenship by place of birth). The Citizenship Clause was intended to overturn Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) and secure citizenship for freed slaves and their descendants. The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes narrow categories: children of foreign diplomats (immune from US law), children born to invading enemy forces during occupation, and (historically debated) certain tribal Indians not taxed. It does not exclude children of legal or illegal immigrants who are domiciled here. The Supreme Court confirmed this in United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898): A child born in the US to Chinese immigrant parents (who were not US citizens and remained subjects of China) was a US citizen. The Court held that "subject to the jurisdiction" means subject to the territorial jurisdiction and authority of the US government—i.e., owing it temporary allegiance while within its borders—not full political membership or absence of any foreign nationality claim. This has been the prevailing interpretation for over 125 years. Naturalization vs. birthright You are correct on naturalization (for those not born citizens):The Naturalization Act and oath require renouncing "all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty." Applicants must generally be lawful permanent residents for years, pass civics/history tests, show good moral character, and take the oath.
This is distinct from birthright citizenship. The two are separate tracks in the Constitution ("born or naturalized"). Dual nationality is tolerated in practice today (the US does not force renunciation of foreign citizenship at birth), though the US requires renunciation only of foreign allegiance upon naturalization. Historical context English common law (which influenced the Framers) recognized birth within the sovereign's domain as creating citizenship, subject to exceptions like diplomats. The 1866 Civil Rights Act (precursor to the 14th Amendment) used nearly identical language: "all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed." Debates during ratification focused on freed slaves and Chinese immigrants, not creating a blanket exclusion for children of foreigners. No Supreme Court case has overturned Wong Kim Ark. Challenges (e.g., to "anchor babies" or illegal immigrants' children) have not succeeded at the highest level. Executive attempts to reinterpret "jurisdiction" via order have been viewed as exceeding presidential power without amendment or legislation.
Immigration was very much addressed by the framers of the Constitution and founders of our Republic:
“[T]he policy or advantage of [immigration] taking place in a body (I mean the settling of them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them. Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they, or their descendants, get assimilated to our customs, measures, and laws: in a word, soon become one people.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country' George Washington, Letter to John Adams (November 15, 1794)
“In the recommendation to admit indiscriminately foreign emigrants of every description to the privileges of American citizens on their first entrance into our country, there is an attempt to break down every pale which has been erected for the preservation of a national spirit and a national character; and to let in the most powerful means of perverting and corrupting both the one and the other.” ~ Alexander Hamilton (1757-1804) American statesman, Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, The Examination, No. 9 (January 18, 1802).
“To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens the moment they put foot in our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty.” ~ Alexander Hamilton (1757-1804) American statesman, Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, The Examination, No. 9 (January 18, 1802).
“The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias and prejudice, and on the love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family. The opinion advanced in Notes on Virginia [by Thomas Jefferson] is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or, if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism?” ~ Alexander Hamilton (1757-1804) American statesman, Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, The Examination, No. 8 (January 12, 1802).
“[T]here is a wide difference between closing the door altogether and throwing it entirely open; between a postponement of fourteen years and an immediate admission to all the rights of citizenship. Some reasonable term ought to be allowed to enable aliens to get rid of foreign and acquire American attachments; to learn the principles and imbibe the spirit of our government; and to admit of at least a probability of their feeling a real interest in our affairs.” ~ Alexander Hamilton (1757-1804) American statesman, Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, The Examination, No. 8 (January 1802).
“[T]he traditional power of the Nation over the alien is a power inherent in every sovereign state.” ~ Justice Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954) Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials Harisiades v. Shaughnessy, 342 U.S. 580, 588–89 (1952)
“[N]othing can be more opposed [to American principles] than the maxims of absolute monarchies. Yet, from such, we are to expect the greater number of emigrants. They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogenous, incoherent, distracted mass.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 8 (1783)
“What can be more reasonable than that when crowds of them [immigrants] come here, they should be forced to renounce everything contrary to the spirit of the Constitution[?]” ~ James Madison (1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President James Madison, House of Representatives, Naturalization Bills (January 1, 1795); Philip B. Kurland and Ralph Lerner, eds., The Founders’ Constitution, Volume Two: Preamble through Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 (Indianapolis: Liberty Fund, 2000), 577.
“For more than a century, this Court has recognized that the admission and exclusion of foreign nationals is a 'fundamental sovereign attribute exercised by the Government’s political departments largely immune from judicial control.'” ~ Justice John G. Roberts, Jr. (1955-) Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court Trump v. Hawaii, 585 U.S. 667, 682 (2018)
Correct, I am US naturalized citizen and they told me to be able to become US citizen I needed to renounce to my original citizenship which I did, but Members of Congress are from Jewish families and Middle Eastern others countries too and they have double citizenship why is that? Plus they are naturalized citizens. These people are dangerous they are not like me that I really love this country. They are traitors.
Dual citizenship = Double Agent
Zero trust.
Exactly, you got it sister
counterargument (still upvoting yours for great input):
Wong Kim was born to parents legally in the USA. The Supreme Court did not get a chance in that case to determine if the 14th Am. as so interpreted applied to children born of illegal aliens.
“The Citizenship Clause was intended to overturn Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) and secure citizenship for freed slaves and their descendants. The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes narrow categories: children of foreign diplomats (immune from US law), children born to invading enemy forces during occupation, and (historically debated) certain tribal Indians not taxed. It does not exclude children of legal or illegal immigrants who are domiciled here.”
yes it does: compare with the 14th Am. architect Sen. Jacob Howard’s 1866 Civil Rights Act, it defined citizens born in the U.S. & not subject to any foreign powers. Children born to parents whose citizenship / allegiance is to foreign posers = subject themselves by descent.
the 14th Am. was designed to make as part of the Constitution the Senator’s Civil Rts. Act
https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc30867/m1/12/
Senator Jacob Howard's Opening Statement
page 2890 of the Congressional Globe (39th Congress, 1st Session, hosted by the University of North Texas Libraries Digital Collection)
The Direct Quote: Presenting the amendment on May 30, 1866, Senator Howard stated:
"This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already... It settles the great question of citizenship and clears away a great deal of doubt which has surrounded that subject... This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."
u/Joys1Daughter
Agreed! 💯
Other countries, especially adversaries can control our elections. They can insert tens of thousands into swing districts to control the winner and can extort many more. They can do this every two years and bring their birthright citizens back to China after each election. Countries like China have the money to house them in any district they want. Even Mexico can control districts.
Yes....🤬
You don't even need to travel back to the US. Mail in voting
True. And some blue states allow registration and changes to a registration on line.
More like millions.
Signs and Billboards are being put up all over our Southern Border, and Mexico, advertising BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, with “Deliveries starting at $4000.” Likewise, similar signs going up all over our Country. Billions of Dollars will be illegally made by this SCAM, with Citizenship going to anyone willing to pay. It will be, by far, the number one way of becoming a citizen, and then the entire family will be allowed to follow. Not sustainable. NOBODY SAW THIS COMING!!! AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP IS NOT FOR SALE! In fact, that is a crime, and therefore, the Supreme Court’s ruling is wrong. I will be asking for a Rehearing by the United States Supreme Court, IMMEDIATELY. This miscarriage of justice will destroy America if they don’t change their absolutely insane decision. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/116886461770041376
This is really really bad.
If he gets this reversed,....man that is one powerful dude
Trump must ask the SC a question. 'IF the Obviously Illegal alien invaders were ........ Russian or Chinese would they allow them to plant anchor 'citizens' Illegally?
I don't think you want to hear their answer. The SC committed treason by supplying material and other means to enemies of the nation. By upholding birthright citizenship to 8+ billion people. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, hell all of the founding fathers would've burnt the fucking place down by now with this ruling.
They would absolutely say yes.
Yep, Trump says they are putting up signs all over and he wants SCOTUS to rehearing the case on birthright citizenship...
https://greatawakening.win/p/1ATBm36vru/signs-and-billboards-are-being-p/c/
Sorry Zeus, I searched but your post didn't come up!
Ask in one hand and shit in the other..
Let me know what one fills up first...
i’m a little stoned but hear me out…
…was the Trump Gold Card Visa a (very lucrative) psyop to get lib heads exploding about buying citizenship just before this played out?
https://www.reddit.com/r/InterstellarKinetics/comments/1pjfqdh/president_trump_opens_gold_card_program_offering/
apologies for reddit but in the comments you’ll see things like, “selling us out for his own profit”, “is he planning to turn the US into a third world country?”, comments mentioning human trafficking, criminal gangs, things we are all very concerned about ourselves.
…and of course, the usual hitler comparisons because they’re rabidly brainwashed lmfao
but zooming out, those comments are recent, from 7 months ago. i’m sure it’s still on many of their minds, and i’m sure it’s not just that comment section who felt that way. the gold card might have been the perfect prelude to this act.
and i mean, let’s be real. no human trafficker or gang or criminal is paying a MILLION dollars to get anyone in the US when they can just walk in for FREE.
Millionaires are fleeing Europe. Trump is cashing in. In more ways than one. Because they also bring their money here. At least a major chunk of it. But all of these Golden Visa people are well vetted.
$4,000 for Mexico vs $1,000,000 for Trump
This is why President Trump is the best president we've ever had. He doesn't give up at the first sign of adversity. He regroups and tries again. We are so lucky to have him!
Yes! He is a blessing from God! ☝️🙏
Not sure why anyone thinks SCOTUS would be inclined to rule differently.
Would’ve thought the military is still the only way to handle this mess. Really wish we could just get on with it already
Did the court even mention anything about birth tourism??
We're going to be blowing up maternity ships full of chinese babies by the end of this thing. Like the venezuelan drug boats
Our enemies are baptizing their children in the waters of US citizenship. That won't be tolerated by the people any more.
So the SCOTUS decision has created a situation where there will be no choice but to consider sinking foreign baby ships and killing people with dronelasers from crossing borders.
Thanks SCOTUS, you could have just done your job right. Now you've motivated the US government to murder people from space, just to prevent them from invading here.