If that's what your definition of "not an abortion" is, I think you'd be surprised at how many liberals agree with you.

I'm aware of what abortions look like. I am pro-life.

My intention here is to hopefully compel people to remember to be empathetic, and acknowledge that sometimes we don't truly know how we will act in a situation until we are actually in that situation. Also, I hope to get people to be a bit more knowledgeable about things if they're going to speak on it with certainty.

I also like to speak of things philosophically. Such as your definition of abortion being through mechanical means. But what of medicinal abortions? Do you believe those to be abortions?

Yes. It's not uncommon, as you see. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, though.

I also wanted to ask, why do you specify Americans here? Are there countries where you would support abortions?

Please look up pre-eclampsia. It's one of the most common causes of maternal deaths. Around 70,000 die yearly due to it.

But going back to the original conversation, how is that situation different than ectopic pregnancy terminations?

Please ignore that last message. I had your post confused with another. I apologize for that.

Yes, I agree 100%. If pre-eclampsia could be treated without termination, obviously that should be done. If you had met a mother with pre-eclampsia, you would most likely see that they desperately want to keep the baby.

Pre-eclampsia kills around 70,000 women each year. It's one of the most common causes of maternal death.

Pre-eclampsia is a serious risk to the.mother. Many women do die of it.

How is this any different than abortions due to the pregnancy putting the mother's life in danger, such as with pre-eclampsia?

In those situations, the primary intent is to save the mother, not to kill the baby. If there was no other way to save the mother, then what is the difference?

So you support abortions in certain situations?

I actually don't support abortion. I simply think empathy is needed for other people. I also see how often people change their mind on the matter when it happens to them.

Yes, I know quite a lot of people. I also work in healthcare.

Unfortunately, young girls getting impregnated by sexual predators is not that rare.
Neither is preeclampsia. But the condition the baby I mentioned had is extremely rare. Tay Sachs.

If you're removing the fetus from the mother, how is that not directly intending the death of it?

Abortion is the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy. That's it. If it's a fetus, and you deliberately remove it from the mother, no matter the reason, it's an abortion.

Trying to manipulate language into rationalizing the end of the life of a fetus is nothing less than what pro-choice people do when they talk about how fetuses don't feel pain at certain ages, therefore the fetus is not a person. Or that if a fetus can't survive outside the mother, it's a parasite and not a person.

Again, all you're doing is justifying the death of a living entity.

Thanks for the link. It looks interesting.

No, ectopic pregnancies are embryos and fetuses that get implanted outside the uterus. They are just as much a living being as embryos and fetuses inside the uterus.

There have been a few, very rare instances of ectopic pregnancies surviving full term.

With all due respect, you're rationalizing why abortion would be ok in this scenario.

Beg pardon?

Are you familiar with ectopic pregnancies?

Respectfully, I think this stance is a bit petty. There are beautiful women and handsome men in every political bracket there is. And there are very unattractive people in every political bracket.

Obviously, people want to claim that their group has the best, the brightest, the most beautiful, and so on. Liberals make a big deal about how better educated and more intelligent they are compared to conservatives. That is a preposterous stance, much as this one is.

Conservative women in the media tend to be quite attractive, examples being Fox News personalities. The same goes for liberals in the media.

But for anyone who has either been to a MAGA rally or seen one on video, it's very obvious not all MAGA women are beautiful and thin. With no intention of making anyone feel bad, I would say a large number of MAGA women I have seen at Trump rallies are pretty overweight and not very attractive.

But in the grand scheme of things, what does it really matter how attractive a person is on the outside? God loves his children the same no matter what their appearance. He values us by our character and heart. Isn't that the example we should live by?

Do you not believe that there are pregnancies where the mother's life is in serious danger due to the pregnancy? Such as pre-eclampsia or a ruptured placenta that causes a hemorrhage?

It's easy to dismiss these cases until it affects you, personally. A person can believe they know what they will do in scenarios such as those, but until that time actually comes, it's impossible to know for certain what action they will take.

I live in a very conservative area of the country and most people I know are very pro-life. And some of my friends and family, who are very pro-life, and voted to ban abortions....eventually found themselves in situations where they chose to terminate their own pregnancy.

One case was a mother of 5 who developed pre-eclampsia and had three strokes before she and her husband decided to terminate.

Another was a 13-year-old who was attacked by a child predator.

The last was a pregnancy where the baby had severe physical problems and would not live very long after birth and would only know suffering.

I would hope that no matter what stance a person holds, they would still have empathy for others.

who has the authority to interpret and adjudicate on a document such as the Bible?

Historically, that has been the role of priests, pastors, preachers, ministers, etc....

What if another human being has a different interpretation?

That's the reason why there is something like 40,000 different denominations of Christianity worldwide.

It's the reason why a town of 400 people will have four Baptist churches, three Methodist churches, two Presbyterian churches, and then have a large Mennonite population as well.

People pick their places of worship based on how much they agree with the interpretation of the minister, or preacher, or what have you. I know of several churches in my town that split because of the minister's stance on abortion or homosexuality or the role of women in church.

Thanks for correcting me on the company involved. I had forgotten about them. But the fact remains, no one in that company has been indicted yet for anything.

I mean, the reality is that there's not much I can do about it, isn't it?"

Wonderful parenting. I dunno, I can think of several things he can do. Take away electronics, supervise her anytime she actually has to be on devices. Ground her. Take away all her My Little Ponies or whatever the fuk kids play with these days.

Hell, in my time, it would have been an ass-whooping with a razor strap.

Dominion Voting is the only voting machine company that has sued all of those.

"Leading Report" is not a reputable source. Several times a week I see people posting stuff from them that is just fake. I wish people would either a) check to see if this stuff can be verified before they share it or b) just didn't share it.

I can't find any information about this.

"Leading Report" is not a source I trust in the least. It frequently puts out stuff like this which is, to be frank, bullshit.

It didn't change your life for the better? 😕

You're very kind. Thank you. 🙂