The real question is, how much do they have to glorify God to not be deemed evil?
Secret emails are a side issue at best.
Yea, I suppose I missed your meaning.
Interesting thought. I wouldn't be surprised if all the false religions were just variations of the same lie. And Satan being the father of lies, every false religion might as well just be its own flavor of Satanism anyway. And maybe they all trace back to this one beginning. The opposite of the original Judaism, which became Christianity.
Maybe Zoroastrianism became Satanism in the same way. A kind of revealing of the full truth of the religion. The same way Christ revealed the full truth of Judaism.
Christianity and Satanism are the fulfillment of Judaism and Zoroastrianism, respectively.
Or something...
Or maybe I'm nuts too, I don't know...
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Not exclusively for that reason, but I certainly see it as supporting evidence due to the fact it's a somewhat unique trait for an institution when contrasted with all the deepstate institutions and organizations.
And to be clear, by "hide" I'm referring to the fact they have existed in present form for their entire, well, existence. Obviously, they "hide" certain things, as evidenced by the article this thread is about. But they don't hide themselves the way the deepstate does. They don't rename themselves every couple hundred years. They don't hide behind dozens of names to confuse anyone looking into them. They don't pretend to be some new group starting from the bottom. They simply remain the Roman Catholic Church, and always have.
To pose my own question(s). Does America's deepstate make America evil? If it does, is the solution to destroy our country and start a new one? Or to make every state its own country? Or is the solution to retake what is ours; to regain control of our country from the evil to put it back in the hands of the righteous patriots?
I think we should do the latter, and I think we should do it with the Church too.
I was referring to Zoroastrianism, not Jesus or the Catholic Church.
My original point was pretty much that the Church has lived for 2000 years, which is a compelling reason for me to believe there is Truth behind it. So certainly the Church is not dead, nor is our Lord ;)
So, a near dead religion that hardly has any organized presence, if any?
I wouldn't say this is one of the originations or institutions that the deep state use in their operations, would you?
And as such they aren't behind, or in front of, the curtain; they aren't even in the building.
Name one institution as old as the Roman Catholic Church.
You can't, because the people behind the curtain make sure to constantly rename all the organizations they control, as well as change their own names, so that no one can catch on to them, or at least they hope.
Evil is deceptive, it hides. The Roman Catholic Church does not hide.
Sounds like bullshit to appease the feds.
I doubt they'd even bother starting the thing if they actually planned to adhere to that, seeing as it defeats the whole purpose.
Extreme fear propaganda. No matter how bad the reaction, they're just "sure" that if they don't do it, their kid will suffer and die of whatever horrible disease. Since they consider this worse than a bad reaction, they consider it a lesser risk to vaccinate them than to not.
"Except for the thing that he did, what has he done?"
He means u/Greatheart said it in reply to his comment. As for when Trump said it, I don't know, but I do recall something like that a while back.
Over ourselves, certainly, but not over creation. Could have been clearer there.
I'd agree that focusing on the good things we want has value, but only in the sense that it increases the likelihood we take actual action to convince others and to make change in the world. That can certainly spread like wildfire, but not if we just sit at home and "manifest our reality" or whatever.
Maybe that was your point, though, I may have misinterpreted your meaning.
God is sovereign, not us.
Yes, and all doctrine of the Church can be tested against the Bible and be found to be fully compatible and non-contradictory.
The Church is one of the only pieces of history that still actively exists. Sounds like you're arguing my point for me here.
You are such a nasty, uncharitable person. Downvote every comment. Throw accusations. And argue in a way clearly meant to shove your point of view down everyone else's throats. You categorically refuse to acknowledge or debate any point made that doesn't benefit your argument in some way.
You treat God like politics and it shows.
Now answer my questions or leave. Why do protestants all believe different things if God is accurately conveying His Word to them? Your toxic accusation that I believe He can't is laughable and patently false; He can, He just clearly doesn't in the way you claim. And you have failed completely and utterly to in any way show that He does.
My position has been consistent in all my arguments. I have been arguing one thing. That thing has been relevant in all cases.
Maybe try reading what I type instead of arguing to "win" and "be right". You're not going to get to bulldoze your way through this discussion, so you can pretend you came out "victorious". Respond to my point, or don't respond.
To make it clearer, if your only argument is that something is unbiblical, then you don't have an argument, because as you refuse to admit you agree, you know that plenty of things that aren't in the Bible aren't inherently bad because the Bible isn't exhaustive.
The Church also wouldn't consider itself a denomination and would consider other denominations counter-Biblical.
The real question is are their claims right about their own authority.
Although I'm sure you've considered it before, if not, it's worth considering.
I'm sure you agree the Bible is not exhaustive, yes?
Well, grilled cheese is also unbiblical… it's just not in there!
But we wouldn't say that makes it inherently bad or wrong, would we?
I'll admit, the analogy isn't perfect, as I'm comparing important matters of the faith to a grilled cheese, but I think it makes my point well enough.
Every Catholic doctrine has supporting Scriptural writing. Some explicit, some implicit. Whether you agree with their interpretation is one thing, but you don't get to pretend the Church just makes stuff up.
All the people who rubbed those brain cells together were Catholics. As I said, every foundational belief of Christianity comes from Catholics.
No, not really. The Bible does not tell us the correct way to view the Bible, so Sola Scriptura is false, is what I'm saying. My comment here was meant as a semi-comprehensive defense of the Church. My ultimate point is that the authority of the Church is what validates the Bible. The Church must have authority for the Bible to have authority.
Further, to just assume the Bible is all we should look to for authority, is unproven. It requires deeper examination than just assuming it is the default position unless proven otherwise.
I mean, who are we to decide how things should be and which things require evidence versus which things are assumed to be the case in lieu of evidence? That's for God to decide. And the fact the Bible doesn't say anything on itself is to me simply more evidence that the verification of the Bible is not solely contained in the Bible. If Sola Scriptura is correct, it would make an awful lot of sense to put everything solely in the Bible.
Edit to add: also, if it were the case that every individual could read scripture on their own and come to understand the authoritative truth, everyone would agree on doctrine. But instead, Protestants are all over the place and believe all manner of different things. This is because we are not the authority on God's Word, nor are we capable of fully understanding It on our own.
You know what also isn't in the Bible? Sola Scriptura. Why have you taken it upon yourself to assume that is the default position unless stated otherwise?
The Church is the only reason you have a Bible. At best, you'd say God used the Church to compile it, but the truth remains that everything you believe is rooted in the Church. That means something. You don't just get to throw that 2000 years of history away (nor throw away the books that some random dude decides he didn't like 1500 years later).
What other institution has existed for 2000, or to make it more palatable for your Protestant disposition, 1700, years? All the corrupted deepstate ones are renamed and changed constantly, and they hide in the shadows. Seems like the Hand of God at work to me.
God is Lord of Truth, no? But if the Church is wrong, that means there weren't any true Christians for 1500ish years. Does that sounds like God leading His people to truth to you?
And do you really think everything Jesus Christ said is in the Bible? Seems like you don't have God's Word in its entirety. So what did He say that you and I weren't privy to? And what if one of the things He said outside the Bible was exactly what the Catholics have been saying for 2000 years?
What it comes down to is authority. A book has no authority. When you read the Bible, you disagree with 40 different groups on what the same passage means. Protestants have no authoritative beliefs in anything because it is all subjective. It is an egotistic position born out of a refusal to submit to any authority outside of the self. You aren't really submitting to God when you make yourself the authority on scripture. What you are doing is making yourself out to be God.
So it only makes sense God would create some authoritative way to know scripture. This is the Church. The Church must exist and be authoritative for the same reason the Bible must exist and be authoritative. There must be some external, objective thing for us to compare our own subjective interpretations to. Otherwise, we are just making things up and the fruits of that become apparent. Everyone believes something different, and no one knows what is true. The Bible alone is quite apparently not good enough at this, as every differing Protestant denomination demonstrates. God loves 3s, does He not? Bible, Church, and Holy Spirit are the way we learn about the God. The trinities truly never end (you can thank the Church for deciphering that one, too).
Seriously, the level of hubris it must take to think you know better than the entire history of Church fathers who spent their whole lives dedicated to studying God and passing down the knowledge He shared with His original disciples. The entire foundation of Christianity was built by these men. All the most basic tenants of the Faith. To think we can just throw that out 1500 years later and figure it all out on our own, completely individually, and after we just rejected all the prior Truths of God we all always accepted, is patently absurd.
And speaking of fruits; what has the fruit of the reformation been? Obviously, correlation doesn't equal causation, but where are we today? Seemingly living in the new dark ages and in a time of certain moral decay. Though the world is the world. Of course it is evil. But look at Christianity as well. That too is falling to decadence and vice, seemingly led by certain Protestant denominations first and foremost.
The end stage of Protestantism is the non-denominational churches where you go in, get blasted by fog machines, turn off your brain and tune out listening to rock music, and go home having actually thought about God maybe once the whole time. Or the prosperity gospel. There's certainly a reason that these kinds of things crop up the further we go down the Reformation path.
Who got inaugurated?
Who do the normies think got inaugurated?
If the white hats can pretend to inaugurate Joe Biden, or otherwise allow it, they can pretend or allow him to be impeached.
What is so hard about this that makes so many here cling to the notion that it is simply not possible to impeach the Potatus without legitimizing him?
So impeaching him legitimizes him but inaugurating him doesn't?
To who? He is already legitimate to all the normies, and never will be to us.
Certainly.
To add, we also can't just demand investigations for every election we lose or people will just think we're the boy who cried wolf; and we likely would be.
We have to find the right balance of evidence to call for an investigation and to call an outcome fraudulent. Too little and no one will listen. But if the amount of evidence people want before investigating is too much, we won't be able to muster up enough evidence without an investigation, which would leave us stuck.
No, you just don't get it! Kentucky has had 9 Republican governors in its history and 34 Democrat governors, they must have cheated to get a Democrat governor!
Sarcasm aside, people here are making a few decent points in favor of there being fraud. Certainly enough as a starting point for a deeper investigation based on what we learned from 2020.
But all the dogmatic downvotes for anyone presenting the very real possibility of split ticket voters are completely absurd.
If the plan is 2024, then it's possible they're letting them get some steals in until then, so they get complacent. Ultimately, and hopefully, the white hats will stop the steal in 2024 like they did in 2016.
The best adjective to describe that paragraph is "dystopian".
Fuck plastic.
Also fuck the average greenie "muh environment" leftist's double (more like octuple) standards.
Have you considered the possibility that the lie is actually what you are presenting, rather than the claim of the Church?
If I was Satan, I would think it'd be a good idea to try and discount the basic tenants of the Church started by Christ. And writing bogus history isn't hard.
And who do you think chose what constitutes the Word of God? Was it Luther? Maybe it was Thomas Jefferson and his bible.
The fact is, you don't actually have a Bible or any basic Christian doctrines without the Church you so flagrantly despise.
And one final question: Do you think that the Lord of All Creation started His "real church" only to have it be completely supplanted by a false pagan church a few hundred years later? Doesn't sound very Sovereign to me, and so it doesn't sound like we worship the same God after all. Because the God I worship wouldn't allow such a thing to transpire, and the God I worship is far more powerful than a bunch of pagan Romans.