yeah i mean it's not like two of the worlds tallest buildings collapsed right next to it, gouging out a giant chunk of the buildings lower floors... and setting the building on fire. cause that would be crazy if that happened.
but since that never happened it was clearly a controlled demo that took months to setup, cutting holes in walls to access the critical structure, preforming weakening cuts, placing cutting charges, wiring all the charges, running those wires back to a central location, hooking those trunk lines up to a blasting box, then initiating the demo.
all while remaining completely undetected.
these guys are fucking pro's, don't fuck with them, probably all had cloaks of invisibility to remain unseen by the thousands of people working there each day.
i mean it would take dozens of guys a few months to rig a building that size for demo... without them someone surely would have seen the workers, this must be where all our tax dollars went... fucking cloaks of invisibility...
Yeah. And it's not like you have any evidence of that either instead just assuming and making stuff up that fits what you want to believe. My four year old does that too.
It really isn’t actually. There was a security company called in to do elevator work for the months right before it. Many people gave testimony that they heard heavy equipment usage such as jack hammers during this construction. Very tight security and the company who did it was non other than related to the Bush family.
At some point the failing top floors of WTC1/2 would've faced resistance from the in-tact structure beneath it. Nope. Freefall. Totally defies the laws of physics.
Yes that’s exactly how they’re designed. In fact WTC 1/2 were engineered to withstand impact of 2 747’s specifically. It’s why the fireproofed vertical columns are staggered horizontally - to provide staggered RESISTANCE against the load above it, many times it’s normal resting state.
massive damage + fires cooking remaining supports = eventually the damaged area can no longer hold up the weight of the building above.
in the towers it was the damaged middle of the building trying to hold up the top... when it failed the top smashed through the bottom.
when 7 failed it just smashed into the ground.
we're talking millions of tons.
once it starts moving it's not going to stop till it settles on the ground.
it's like hitting a fly in the air when you are skydiving... it doesn't slow you down because your mass + inertia far far far outweigh the forces the fly puts on you on impact.
once the supports in a building fail, it's fucking over with.
damage + fires caused failure in all three cases.
not as sexy as invisible ninjas planting explosives undetected... but it's reality.
two of the largest buildings in the world just blasted themselves into the ground right next door, ripping a big chunk out of 7, (img search wtc 7 damage).
there were multiple fuel tanks for backup power generation... i think like 4 or 5 different tanks of diesel around the lower floors.
the fires spread and the firefighters couldn't do shit about it (sadly by then a lot of them were either dead or very injured injured)... all the trucks that got to the scene to fight the tower fires were obliterated in the collapse of the two towers.
7 burned for a while before it dropped.
the building was showing signs of an impending collapse and the fire guys in charge ordered everyone the fuck out... they weren't trying to lose more firefighters than they already had.
it was a shitty situation but once the fires got out of control, combined with the damage, there was nothing they could have done.
it was doomed.
all they could do was try to get everyone the fuck away from that building before it came down.
You haven't seen the footage of the first plane hitting the tower? It's been shown all over the world for 20 years. Firefighters were filming something in the street, and caught it plain as day. Second plane too, from multiple angles, was captured by news organizations and regular citizens alike. Deep fake didn't exist back then, Ang.
I've read all the arguments and they don't diminish the reality of it. There definitely, without question, were planes. Flown into the buildings by arab islamic supremacists, almost all from Saudi Arabia. Orchestrated and celebrated by Obama sin Laden. (Oops, flip the B.S. :) They were the tools, the marionettes. First they chattered about flying planes into buildings. Then they formulated a plan to do it. Then they did it. Then they celebrated having done it.
Original plan was for 10 planes, including striking LA and Chicago's Sears Tower. Bin Laden scuttled six of them because it made the plan too complicated, and he didn't believe the mission would be successful with 10.
What almost nobody disagrees on is that they got massive assistance from US and Israeli officials, among others. Crime of the millennium by US officials against their own country, at least until the COVID scandal came along.
Haha I understand it is weakened, but the building wasn’t designed to only hold the weight of the floor above it. In fact, it was engineered to be able to withstand impact from an airplane when it was built.
Look at every other building that suffers a fire vs a controlled demolition. Some of them, half the building falls off and the other part is standing when the fire is extremely bad. Their conclusion was that because the jet fuel went down the elevator shaft that it was able to completely melt all the steel reinforcements.
Why are you on here to “debunk” a very proven conspiracy?
the "designed to withstand a plane impact" claims are constantly fucked up so a little clarity:
in 1945 a B-52, lost in fog, low on fuel, looking for the airport, smashed into the side of the empire state building.
got stuck in the building it was actually pretty cool.
when the trade center towers were built they were designed to withstand a similar impact... nothing intentional... an accident...
from a much smaller plane, flying at much slower speeds, low on fuel (not just taking off from the east coast, headed west, with both wings fully loaded.
when you intentionally smash a fully loaded, fully fueled plane into the side of the building at full speed, it's going to do WAY more damage than was designed for.
the crucial damage was structural, the building is designed to carry all that weight evenly distributed... like the guy laying down on the bed of nails doesn't get stuck because the force is evenly distributed.
it's why you are supposed to crawl on all 4's on thin ice.
because when you remove a bunch of the supporting structure... all the remaining supports are now being expected to carry far more stress than they were designed to carry.
not only that, but different stresses.
the design calls for vertical loading, not torsion and pull and shear.... all these supports were now being asked to do far more than they were designed to in ways they weren't designed to... but thats why we try to over-engineer things. for a just in case.
sadly when you add sustained fire to this equation you now have the already over-stressed structural components loosing the lions share of their strength... and under tremendous stress.
eventually the damaged area of the building can no longer support the insane weight of the building above.
again... we are talking millions of tons here... thats a LOT of force.
ever see a steel cable snap? that will slice a person in half, and thats a few thousand pounds... now do millions of tons.
when the building starts to go i't's fucking over. as soon as it starts moving, there isn't a building on earth designed to not rip itself apart in that scenario.
and here's how you know everything i just said is correct...
the first building to fall, got hit second, but it got hit much lower on the tower and the damage was worse because it came in at a goofy angle and compromised more floors worth of supports.
that second building's damaged section is now being asked to hold much more weight than the building that got hit first.
more severely damaged area being asked to hold a lot more weight = more force on the compromised structure = more point loading stresses on the remaining system = it failed much sooner than it's counterpart.
also nobody ever said the steel melted, not one serious person ever said that because it didn't happen.
why are you here to defend a debunked mcguffin/red herring/forum slide/well poisoning?
people like you are the reason i can't ask why the government lied about shooting down the 4th plane... because everyone thinks i'm stupid enough to believe a massive crew of people were able to sneak into some of the worlds largest buildings and do months and months worth of demo prep work overnight without detection.
You are talking rubbish first of all it was a B-25 that hit the empire state building not a B-52 which is quite a big difference in size 19,000lbs vs 185,000lbs empty weight.
Also the Trade towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 707 traveling at 600mph and still be standing they also said it could probably withstand multiple plane strikes and still be standing, so your whole argument is garbage.
Also they were doing construction work on the building leading up to the attack and were laying network cables iirc, there was a guy who complained about all the dust coming through the vents and when he asked he was told they were doing construction but when he went up the the floor above there was no one there as they were inside the central column but he could hear them drilling and doing something.
He also went in to the building in the days before they fell and someone had turned off all the cameras and security and people were wandering around the tower, this annoyed him as iirc he was in charge of IT for banking servers and workmen were just wandering around without a care in the world which was really odd as you generally don't allow people in and around the servers unsupervised.
So they had plenty of time to set charges if they wanted too.
Scott Forbes was employed by Fiduciary Trust Company International, located on the 97th floor of the South Tower at the WTC complex. He says there were some very strange events in the weeks leading up to the attacks, including; a complete power down of the building for over 36 hours, and mysterious ‘engineers’ doing work in the building using spools of wire just days before the 9/11 attacks.
I understand completely. It’s you that doesn’t. I literally spent years on this subject. The top 25% does not have the mass and weigh to, again, smash through the path of MOST resistance and didn’t slow down. Your comparison to a human falling out of plane to crash onto a fly is childish.
Not only did it smash through the majority of the building at speed, it also ejected car and truck size portions hundreds of feet out. Don’t forget the “dustification” Where did all this energy come from?? Fires in a “fireproofed by code” office environment? Astm119e steel does not melt or even weaken enough to uniformly snap all the inside support columns AND the outer perimeter columns.
Since we’re giving stupid examples, imagine crashing your car onto the back of an 18 wheeler and turning the structure to dust, while not slowing down.
How many steel framed buildings have fallen from “fire”? None before 9/11 and none since.
Don’t forget the other buildings, like 7, which did not encounter a plane yet fell nice and neat into its own footprint.
This is an debate you cannot win, because you’re wrong. You’re either uneducated on the subject or you’re a shill.
Lemme guess Oswald killed Kennedy too, right? Biden also handily won the election? ????
fuck dude you're right, i completely forgot about the part where gravity and point loading stopped being a thing during fires.
cause millions of tons of skyscraper become weightless like a balloon when you set it on fire.
everyone knows heat rises... duh.
damn dude thanks for setting me straight.
Derp yeah! It was also hot that build 7 fell wi th out even a fire! These people just dont u understand science like you!!!... derp...
They always leave after you mention WTC7. BTFO SHILL
Lol. But he has shill powered 'gravity" and 'physics'....
This is one of those people who thinks masks work no doubt.
yeah i mean it's not like two of the worlds tallest buildings collapsed right next to it, gouging out a giant chunk of the buildings lower floors... and setting the building on fire. cause that would be crazy if that happened.
but since that never happened it was clearly a controlled demo that took months to setup, cutting holes in walls to access the critical structure, preforming weakening cuts, placing cutting charges, wiring all the charges, running those wires back to a central location, hooking those trunk lines up to a blasting box, then initiating the demo.
all while remaining completely undetected.
these guys are fucking pro's, don't fuck with them, probably all had cloaks of invisibility to remain unseen by the thousands of people working there each day.
i mean it would take dozens of guys a few months to rig a building that size for demo... without them someone surely would have seen the workers, this must be where all our tax dollars went... fucking cloaks of invisibility...
gotta be it.
sneaky bastards.
some next level area 51 shit amirite?
Yeah. And it's not like you have any evidence of that either instead just assuming and making stuff up that fits what you want to believe. My four year old does that too.
wait... to be clear... i don't have evidence of what?
that physics and gravity and inertia are things or that the demo prep crew were all wearing cloaks of invisibility for months.
lol
It really isn’t actually. There was a security company called in to do elevator work for the months right before it. Many people gave testimony that they heard heavy equipment usage such as jack hammers during this construction. Very tight security and the company who did it was non other than related to the Bush family.
LOL
At some point the failing top floors of WTC1/2 would've faced resistance from the in-tact structure beneath it. Nope. Freefall. Totally defies the laws of physics.
LEARN: https://www.ae911truth.org/
yes because commercial buildings are designed to be cut in half, then the lower portion designed to "catch" the falling upper portion.
thats how all buildings are made... to be able to stop millions of tons of building as it falls.
"Water, fire, air and dirt, Fucking inertia, how do they work"
Yes that’s exactly how they’re designed. In fact WTC 1/2 were engineered to withstand impact of 2 747’s specifically. It’s why the fireproofed vertical columns are staggered horizontally - to provide staggered RESISTANCE against the load above it, many times it’s normal resting state.
OK I'm intrigued. What would be your explanation for Bldg 7, 45willwinagain?
(upvoted for username)
it's the same formula as the towers.
massive damage + fires cooking remaining supports = eventually the damaged area can no longer hold up the weight of the building above.
in the towers it was the damaged middle of the building trying to hold up the top... when it failed the top smashed through the bottom.
when 7 failed it just smashed into the ground.
we're talking millions of tons.
once it starts moving it's not going to stop till it settles on the ground.
it's like hitting a fly in the air when you are skydiving... it doesn't slow you down because your mass + inertia far far far outweigh the forces the fly puts on you on impact.
once the supports in a building fail, it's fucking over with.
damage + fires caused failure in all three cases.
not as sexy as invisible ninjas planting explosives undetected... but it's reality.
Thanks
How did 7 catch fire though? I thought that was the big conspiracy, that there were files in there or something that needed to be burned
two of the largest buildings in the world just blasted themselves into the ground right next door, ripping a big chunk out of 7, (img search wtc 7 damage).
there were multiple fuel tanks for backup power generation... i think like 4 or 5 different tanks of diesel around the lower floors.
the fires spread and the firefighters couldn't do shit about it (sadly by then a lot of them were either dead or very injured injured)... all the trucks that got to the scene to fight the tower fires were obliterated in the collapse of the two towers.
7 burned for a while before it dropped.
the building was showing signs of an impending collapse and the fire guys in charge ordered everyone the fuck out... they weren't trying to lose more firefighters than they already had.
it was a shitty situation but once the fires got out of control, combined with the damage, there was nothing they could have done.
it was doomed.
all they could do was try to get everyone the fuck away from that building before it came down.
There was actually a study done on 7. All columns failed at the same time. #physics. #brainwashedDontWantULooking
You haven't seen the footage of the first plane hitting the tower? It's been shown all over the world for 20 years. Firefighters were filming something in the street, and caught it plain as day. Second plane too, from multiple angles, was captured by news organizations and regular citizens alike. Deep fake didn't exist back then, Ang.
I've read all the arguments and they don't diminish the reality of it. There definitely, without question, were planes. Flown into the buildings by arab islamic supremacists, almost all from Saudi Arabia. Orchestrated and celebrated by Obama sin Laden. (Oops, flip the B.S. :) They were the tools, the marionettes. First they chattered about flying planes into buildings. Then they formulated a plan to do it. Then they did it. Then they celebrated having done it.
Original plan was for 10 planes, including striking LA and Chicago's Sears Tower. Bin Laden scuttled six of them because it made the plan too complicated, and he didn't believe the mission would be successful with 10.
What almost nobody disagrees on is that they got massive assistance from US and Israeli officials, among others. Crime of the millennium by US officials against their own country, at least until the COVID scandal came along.
Haha I understand it is weakened, but the building wasn’t designed to only hold the weight of the floor above it. In fact, it was engineered to be able to withstand impact from an airplane when it was built.
Look at every other building that suffers a fire vs a controlled demolition. Some of them, half the building falls off and the other part is standing when the fire is extremely bad. Their conclusion was that because the jet fuel went down the elevator shaft that it was able to completely melt all the steel reinforcements.
Why are you on here to “debunk” a very proven conspiracy?
the "designed to withstand a plane impact" claims are constantly fucked up so a little clarity:
in 1945 a B-52, lost in fog, low on fuel, looking for the airport, smashed into the side of the empire state building.
got stuck in the building it was actually pretty cool.
when the trade center towers were built they were designed to withstand a similar impact... nothing intentional... an accident...
from a much smaller plane, flying at much slower speeds, low on fuel (not just taking off from the east coast, headed west, with both wings fully loaded.
when you intentionally smash a fully loaded, fully fueled plane into the side of the building at full speed, it's going to do WAY more damage than was designed for.
the crucial damage was structural, the building is designed to carry all that weight evenly distributed... like the guy laying down on the bed of nails doesn't get stuck because the force is evenly distributed.
it's why you are supposed to crawl on all 4's on thin ice.
because when you remove a bunch of the supporting structure... all the remaining supports are now being expected to carry far more stress than they were designed to carry.
not only that, but different stresses.
the design calls for vertical loading, not torsion and pull and shear.... all these supports were now being asked to do far more than they were designed to in ways they weren't designed to... but thats why we try to over-engineer things. for a just in case.
sadly when you add sustained fire to this equation you now have the already over-stressed structural components loosing the lions share of their strength... and under tremendous stress.
eventually the damaged area of the building can no longer support the insane weight of the building above.
again... we are talking millions of tons here... thats a LOT of force.
ever see a steel cable snap? that will slice a person in half, and thats a few thousand pounds... now do millions of tons.
when the building starts to go i't's fucking over. as soon as it starts moving, there isn't a building on earth designed to not rip itself apart in that scenario.
and here's how you know everything i just said is correct...
the first building to fall, got hit second, but it got hit much lower on the tower and the damage was worse because it came in at a goofy angle and compromised more floors worth of supports.
that second building's damaged section is now being asked to hold much more weight than the building that got hit first.
more severely damaged area being asked to hold a lot more weight = more force on the compromised structure = more point loading stresses on the remaining system = it failed much sooner than it's counterpart.
also nobody ever said the steel melted, not one serious person ever said that because it didn't happen.
why are you here to defend a debunked mcguffin/red herring/forum slide/well poisoning?
people like you are the reason i can't ask why the government lied about shooting down the 4th plane... because everyone thinks i'm stupid enough to believe a massive crew of people were able to sneak into some of the worlds largest buildings and do months and months worth of demo prep work overnight without detection.
you are why we don't get taken seriously.
stop that.
You are talking rubbish first of all it was a B-25 that hit the empire state building not a B-52 which is quite a big difference in size 19,000lbs vs 185,000lbs empty weight.
Also the Trade towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 707 traveling at 600mph and still be standing they also said it could probably withstand multiple plane strikes and still be standing, so your whole argument is garbage.
Also they were doing construction work on the building leading up to the attack and were laying network cables iirc, there was a guy who complained about all the dust coming through the vents and when he asked he was told they were doing construction but when he went up the the floor above there was no one there as they were inside the central column but he could hear them drilling and doing something. He also went in to the building in the days before they fell and someone had turned off all the cameras and security and people were wandering around the tower, this annoyed him as iirc he was in charge of IT for banking servers and workmen were just wandering around without a care in the world which was really odd as you generally don't allow people in and around the servers unsupervised. So they had plenty of time to set charges if they wanted too.
Found him it was Scott Forbes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8edYhemleXc&t=10s
Yes we all know buildings smash through the path of most Resistance without slowing down.
statements like that make me think you don't understand mass and inertia.
do you have any idea how heavy the upper half of one of the largest buildings on the planet is?
do you not understand that once it starts falling the decapitated lower half of a spancrete floored building isn't going to "catch" that much force.
that much mass, in motion, isn't going to stop falling until it hits the ground.
there isn't a single building on the planet who's lower half can catch it's upper half as it's falling through the damaged area that divides the two.
if you jumped out of a plane, and hit a fly on the way down... how much would it slow you down?
I understand completely. It’s you that doesn’t. I literally spent years on this subject. The top 25% does not have the mass and weigh to, again, smash through the path of MOST resistance and didn’t slow down. Your comparison to a human falling out of plane to crash onto a fly is childish. Not only did it smash through the majority of the building at speed, it also ejected car and truck size portions hundreds of feet out. Don’t forget the “dustification” Where did all this energy come from?? Fires in a “fireproofed by code” office environment? Astm119e steel does not melt or even weaken enough to uniformly snap all the inside support columns AND the outer perimeter columns.
Since we’re giving stupid examples, imagine crashing your car onto the back of an 18 wheeler and turning the structure to dust, while not slowing down.
How many steel framed buildings have fallen from “fire”? None before 9/11 and none since.
Don’t forget the other buildings, like 7, which did not encounter a plane yet fell nice and neat into its own footprint.
This is an debate you cannot win, because you’re wrong. You’re either uneducated on the subject or you’re a shill.
Lemme guess Oswald killed Kennedy too, right? Biden also handily won the election? ????
You sound like an old NEOCON Bush Cheney fanboy.