Viruses naturally attenuate towards becoming less lethal and more transmissible, that is how Pandemics like these end. I have naturally recovered, by you choosing to get this experimental treatment you are introducing evolutionary selective pressure for a more virulent pathogen with mechanisms for evading the human immune system. Your actions will proliferate variant strains and are extending this pandemic from this already endemic trajectory. Your decision to participate in these experimental trials will lead to a further postponement for me to return to work and is fortifies government over-reach that infringes upon my rights of freedom to travel and exist as a private citizen. You are complicit with manufacturing further risk to the 100+ Million fellow Americans who are naturally immune and hurt the efficacy of life-saving treatments such as monoclonal antibodies that have prevented thousands of deaths.
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Absolutely agree with your points, which are eloquently put. I've always felt this way about vaccines, hell...even pesticides.
And penicillin.
So say we all.
It's analogous to creating an antibiotic resistant superbug by overuse of antibiotics
Precisely! MRSA didn't exist until people were irresponsibly using mass antibiotics. This could possibly be a worse situation though because of its aerosolized spread and difference between adaptation which is different and takes longer than the horizontal gene flow like in Eukaryotes.
I'm not totally convinced about the selection pressure in vaccinated people producing more virulent viruses in this case, but it's a huge risk to take anyway.
Why not? Evolutionary theories still hold up here. People still spread, viruses that proliferate in the host will have adaptations (typically around the binding site) and those are the ones nature will select for. It reinforces the viruses ability to enter the cell. If those that are vaccinated have less severe cases the virus will need to become more virulent to induce coughing and transmission or will need to for alternative modes of transmission. Regardless for whether or not this creates ADE, pathogenic priming, or alternative binding sites it will result in a virus with an ever higher affinity for our receptor sites.
Is it possible to deliberately channel a new manufactured virulent variant (from the lab) through vaccinated people as vectors to the unvaccinated ?
That would be dasterdly!
Yes. You would just make sure the new pathogen is protected by the vaccine but not to those who have recovered or are naive. It would be difficult though and inefficient though. Those that are protected would likely have to be symptomatic to spread efficiently. They would be better off releasing a virus that flows through the unprotected but leaves the immunized untouched. This could also be done and would likely be done through bioweapons that aren't live viruses IMO. Think along the lines of Anthrax and the Anthrax vaccine but with something much more potent and water soluble or very well aerosolized. This I think is unlikely but I have been sketched out about these non discriminatory spike protein antibodies. A lot of their research has been around this including ACE2 Binding sites, it wouldn't be that hard to re-engineer Pathogens that utilize this same binding site to infect humans. This well refined binding sites is why this virus is stupid transmissible and the first reason I realized this virus didn't come from bats, very well adapted to humans on this protein and glycan envelopes.
Thanks, all of that description helps me understand the mechanisms better.
I looked into ACE2 receptors a lot last year. I was convinced at that stage that the virus was designed to infect people with high ACE2 receptor expression and that it would affect East Asians particularly badly. I figured it was engineered to do so. I don't think I was right. Children have fewer ACE2 receptors on their lung epithelia than adults IIRC. I suppose that's why they don't seem to catch the virus as easily as adults.
They likely are just more asymptomatic and for that reason are less likely to spread it. Because children spend a lot of time together and are less likely to get very sick and cough much its unlikely they spread to each other much and the difference in height, behavior, sharing makes them less likely to catch from adults and very unlikely to spread to adults. I think a lot of this has to do with vascularity, the virus sinks itself in and the cytokine inflammation follows(This is the phase people die) As we get older we create more and more blood vessels form. High blood pressure, diabetes, obesity etc signal via things like vascular endothelial growth factors to increase blood vessels throughout the body equals the more systemic infection and inflammation markers in vulnerable areas, particularly the lungs. Lots of correlation between smokers/nicotine users and reduced mortality. Nicotine helps saturate the ACE2 receptors and hence offers some protection. Smokers are actually more protected because it reduces the opportunistic cells for Covid-19 to infiltrate. There are a few smaller trials that show certain inhaled treatments of gasses seriously damped odds or severity of infection. It still blows my mind how long it took them to figure out that corticosteroids like prednisone would be helpful for this, via reducing inflammation. The use and persistence of respirator treatments seriously was so idiotic, with the right regiment and early treatment this virus isn't very lethal.
Well, when you put it like that!
I suppose that the virus becoming more virulent doesn't necessarily come with a corresponding fitness cost for that mutation.
I had it in my head that high virulence was unstable and that there was a selection pressure away from it towards transmission. But, yes, you are right, masking symptoms with vaccinations changes that selection pressure, possibly towards virulence to increase symptoms for transmission.
I get it a bit better now Thanks
As a counterpoint: This chicom virus was and is a biological weapon used by the chicoms with the help of complicit dems and NWO scum to demolish our economy and take down our president. The would have succeeded except the most stable genius out-thinks all his enemies and had a plan called operation warp speed to fight back and save this country and the economy and its people and got him re-elected with the biggest vote ever. You should be able to use whatever freedoms are left in this now communist (no free elections ever again unless something is done about the last one) country. I plan on getting it so my 98 yr old mother can enjoy being with family again and we can all attend an upcoming wedding without fear of killing granny and others older or sicker. I will not get the nazi papers though. f*ck this regime.
Thats not really a counterpoint, more of context backstory. Try saying both to a normie and see which one stickers better with them. What evidence do you see that makes you think getting the vaccine will stop you from possibly transmitting it to you mom? You are more likely to not spread it if you already had it or are doing prophylactic Ivermectin. Just don't go around her if you feel sick at all and don't cough around her. Gave my grandma and grandpa 86&88 years old Ivermectin prophylactically and they were much less sick with COVID then my parents who are 62 and 59 who didn't take it.
You need a prescription to get Ivermectin. I haven't been to a doctor in decades but seeing how they outlawed HCQ in my state, this probably is too. I live in a hotbed in nyc mainly because of a scummy gov. and mayor. Partly because we have subways and buses that they packed even during the peak. I wasn't allowed to take HCQ during that time so I took elderberries (which I read worked similar to HCQ as an ionophore to get the zinc into the cell and prevent the chicom virus from replicating) and zinc. That may be why I didn't get sick despite about a half dozen in the family getting it (including one for weeks in a hospital) and at my job more than that. The point is, I'm exposed to it a lot on the job. So, unless I want to stop working, there's a chance I can get it and spread it to others.
Symptomatic people are those who spread it. You can get prescribed IVM no issue from a telemedicine doctor. You can also get it from veterinary sources but if you do that make sure there are no other active ingredients and that you feel competent in calculating proper dosing. When it was my grandparents I got them some IV grade FDA approved injectable and sterilized formula for veterinary use and just did volumetric dosing. People look at me like I am crazy or whatever for doing that but I firmly believe it kept them from having a severe case and is a safe drug when dosed properly. Just your argument for getting the vaccine doesn't hold up because even the liberal and big Pharma institutions have been public with the idea this doesn't stop transmission and you have to take other additional measure like masking and social distancing.
I really think the masking and distancing after vaccine is meant as a method of control. Thank God for states like Texas and Florida to show the way. Texas especially is embarrassing the 'experts' by a drastic drop in cases after fully opening.
OMG this vaccine will destroy you. Even some of the most important vaccine experts in the world are saying it will kill off most of the human race. So if you want to be stupid enough to get the vaccine go right ahead and you will deserve what happens to you.
Obviously, you haven’t seen this yet!
https://greatawakening.win/p/12i48k0eBA/vaccine-injuries-and-death-zooma/c/
I've seen it all. Or a lot of it. If you believe Trump would push something evil, that's your business. There are a lot of side effects including death. You decide. I decide. I see the deaths as roughly 0.002% of the vaccinations. Even one is too high, but that is the facts.
I didn’t say anything about Trump pushing evil. Those are your words. As I recall, he stated that everyone has the right to make his/her own decision.
And that is what I am saying. You do what you do. I do what I do. And part of my reasoning for taking it is that I trust Trump wouldn't push something evil or destructive. I truly believe he was the only person who could have gotten this to the people as fast as he did. Cutting red tape but not cutting corners when it comes to safety. It went through all the safety reviews. And he allowed it to be given to the masses to save us from the chicom's planned attack. Not saying it is your words. It is mine.
It did not go through all the safety trials, and has not been approved by the FDA except that it’s been approved for emergency authorization use only; that is why it is considered experimental. It was not tested on animals first, usually 2 to 3 year clinical trials as a matter of course.
https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/covid-vaccine/facts/testing Here are the steps it went through. Again, Trump would not cut corners to push an unsafe vaccine IMO.
I think Trump new that the vaccine would be rolled out regardless. He just made them do it WAYYY sooner than they wanted too; throwing a wrench into their plans.
Yeah, no. We’ll just agree to disagree. Godspeed to you.
Trump didn’t engineer the vaccines, he just pushed it through fast. He was cornered...if he HADN’T??!!! All hell would’a broken loose in his lap. These vaccine mfr’s are killers, but you go ahead and trust them?
I'm being denied my 11 yr old grandson unless I get the shot. So I will have to get it - I don't want it & I certainly don't like being in this position. I'm angry.
By who? An 11 year old is not at risk.
his parents - my son & daughter in law - it has been a very difficult situation. I've always been conservative & they are not. Unfortunate. The only solution I see is for me to get the shots - living without my grandson isn't an option. It's cruel isnt it?
Very cruel. They are asking you to take a very serious risk with your health/life by taking the "vax" in order to avoid (even though its admitted you can still catch and spread it with the vax) a virus that you and they and your grandson would all likely not even notice if you had it or if you did it would be a mild cold for a day. Its simply abusive towards you.
As a follow up, since they seem to be worried about the virus and you are not, why don't they get vaccinated instead of pressuring you to be?
thank-you for writing & the suggestion. - they both did get vaccinated - but they are intolerant rabid lefties - no polite reasoning can work. Be well.
Exactly their intention, I'm sure.
Pfizer's ex-VP, who is opposed to COVID-19 vaccines, is warning people not to take so-called "booster" vaccines, and says that the so-called "variants" are only about 0.3% different and do not warrant concern. He says the body's natural ability to handle viruses is being completely IGNORED. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-former-pfizer-vp-your-government-is-lying-to-you-in-a-way-that-could-lead-to-your-death Interesting how Atheists who do not trust the human body's scientific ability to handle viruses are the ones telling us to "trust the science."
Now with more simple language, please, for the normies to more easily ingest. But very well stated, anon.
the original part? I have been contemplating rewriting it again later in a more simple and comprehensive way.
Yes! :)
You should copypasta this to r/unpopularopinion.
The worst that could happen is that it got automod removed........................
Tried. Instantly blocked.
Is that reddit?
Yup
https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/
Still a lot of people there and you go where the truth is needed the most....
Genuinely honest questions:
Is this process of proliferating more variant strains true for all vaccines then?
What about how in school we're taught that vaccines virtually eliminated a few viruses? I've seen some arguments about widespread improvement in hygiene being the reason etc
Other vaccines use a dead or weakened virus. The body recognizes that pathogen and creates a specific immunity for that pathogen. When an unspecified immunity is present it doesn't fully fight the infection but rather makes it more difficult, viruses that can survive and cause symptoms in the new population will be selected for. This decision will engineer and shape the progression of the viral evolution off the track it is naturally on which is less deadly and more transmissible. Certain diseases have different abilities to adapt. RNA viruses like these can very rapidly adapt which is particularly worrisome because of their non natural and highly effective transmissibility and ability to exist as an aerosol. We aren't sure if the British B1.1.7 strain was from a lab or just mutation but it was able to change 27 nucleotides and all on 1 protein. In humans naturally its reported around 1 nucleotide per month during this pandemic. The most likely natural explanation is that they were treating an immunocompromised patient with antibodies for a while and what emerged was a totally unique strain with the ability to better reinfect(unlikely) or bypass the vaccine or antibody based therapeutics.