I am responding to this post so that it has visibility under my original post in case someone later comes to this conversation. I am also using it to respond to you directly.
I am watching this show with Dr. Malone. It is long, and I am not very far in, but around the 15 ish minute mark they talk about the spike protein. They talk about how the part that is not in the membrane (so just a piece of the protein, not the whole thing) can be cleaved from the cells that the vaccine causes to express it and go off and interact with other cells in the body.
I have mentioned this possibility before (though not in my discussion with you). I have found no evidence to support their statement, but I am still listening and hopefully they will provide that information.
If that is going on, then my statement on S protein cross person transmission changes from "its impossible" to "maybe a piece of it is" (in this case, it would be a part that does do damage).
The maybe is still important. We really don't infect other people with our blood proteins. Its just not a thing in any meaningful way. Nevertheless, if I can find evidence to corroborate this protein cleavage from the vaccinated cells, and the cleaved part remaining intact and active, I will change my protest from impossible to unlikely.
I would also like to say my estimation of Dr. Malone has increased.
First of all, what he said had no basis in cell biology reality (see below).
Second, he said "in miniscule amounts". So you believe he must be telling the truth about it shedding (because it fits your fear of it) but then don't believe he is telling the truth about the scale (because it doesn't fit your fear of it).
That makes perfect sense, if you use fear to guide your reasoning.
I am a cell biologist and bio-nanotechnology researcher in a field related to the vaccines. There is no biological basis for a transmembrane protein to escape the lipid bilayer it is locked into, somehow escape the body, somehow enter into another body (apparently by teleportation) somehow cross into the bloodstream, somehow make it to a cell that is expressing the ACE-2 protein, and then somehow aligns with that protein, and then somehow do anything except cause that single receptor to shut down. That would do NOTHING to a whole cell, and less than nothing to the tissue it lives in.
So you understand, transmembrane proteins of the type that is the SARS S protein can't escape the membrane. it just doesn't happen. Even if they did, the lipid bilayer is essential for the structure and function, requiring both mechanical forces and the hydrophobic environment only existing within the lipid bilayer. So if it escaped, it would instantly unfold and would form some other structure. Considering that the ACE-2 ligand part of the S protein is dependent on the S Proteins tertiary structure, which instantly changes if it miraculously escaped the membrane, there is virtually no way it is still capable of activating the ACE-2 receptor even if all the other 10 miracles happened that got it into another persons body and interfacing with the right cell in the right orientation.
From the perspective of someone who does research in these things, the concept is beyond ludicrous that the S protein is "shedding" and making people sick.
Considering all "sickness" it is causing is related to menstruation, and menstrual sympathy has been a thing forever, and the vaccine itself has been shown to accumulate in the ovaries, BY FAR the most likely explanation is a pheromone response causing menstrual sympathy.
He said that the spike protein sheds (as a fact), and then offers his thought (a hypothesis) that the shedding is minor.
He said that it sheds. He invented it.
Edit to add: Everyone assumed that the injection stays at the injection site too... and it doesn't... and now we discover that not only does it spread throughout the body, it also has the ability to cross the blood / brain barrier... so, shedding is truly not out of the realm of possibility, despite you trying to convolute and confuse with your Cell Biology terminology.
Everyone assumed that the injection stays at the injection site too... and it doesn't
When people were saying this, I was saying that there was NO POSSIBLE WAY it was remaining at the injection site. Such an idea was ludicrous. I made protest after protest about the design of the vaccines and how they would easily enter the cardiovascular and lymphatic systems and spread everywhere.
Which was completely obvious to me because I have designed lipid nanoparticles for cell specific targeting drug delivery...
So I know a thing or two about what is going on.
despite you trying to convolute and confuse with your Cell Biology terminology.
If what I said was confusing I apologize. I was trying to be specific and accurate. It is difficult to explain how ludicrous some of the ideas are without getting into the nitty gritty.
it also has the ability to cross the blood / brain barrier
Of course it does. I said that from the beginning. We create PEGylated lipid nanoparticles of that specific size precisely because they CAN cross the BBB.
so, shedding is truly not out of the realm of possibility
Just because someone else got a completely unrelated thing wrong, doesn't mean that this is also wrong. That is a logical fallacy.
I don't care to look into the mechanism of which chirality or stereoisomer does which or whatever. The point is, that we just DON'T KNOW. Do I want you to be right? Of course! But, we don't know.
Of course it does. I said that from the beginning. We create PEGylated lipid nanoparticles of that specific size precisely because they CAN cross the BBB
I edited my comment while you were responding. Apologies for a sneaky edit!
I read what you wrote thoroughly. My days of cell biology courses are behind me but I can understand research papers just fine, thank you for your derision and condescension.
Take it from another researcher, you've made several assumptions and you're tying everything to one alleged protein. We know different test subjects are getting different injections, easily proven despite blank ingredient sheets, simply based on the extreme differences in event reporting by lot.
We know there's more side effects from SHEDDERS than menstrual, and even then, putting the extreme bleeding, sudden huge painful, off- cycle extended bleeding to magical synchronization which normally happens gradually over months is beyond ludicrous. Especially since MALES have caused the reactions in FEMALES. You have some lab vocabulary but clearly no clinical experience so kindly stop trolling and read moar.
Many Dr,’s are reporting multiple patients coming in with nosebleeds, severe bruising, some with abdominal bleeding, ITTP (idiopathic thrombocytopenia Purpura), patients having stillborns in the 2nd and 3rd trimester (uncommon), clotting abnormalities, and these are not isolated incidences.
Watch “Critical Thinking” on Rumble. It had the 5 Dr’s. every Thursday that discuss what they are seeing in clinic. Also, Dr. Judy Macovich has explained the shedding theory.
I personally didn’t believe it but I don’t believe that all of these Dr’s are conspiring to lie.
As a scientist, you know that sometimes science doesn’t explain everything. Sometimes we expect a certain outcome based on what we know and then scratch our head wondering why the heck something defies science. That’s when we have to listen to patients.
First of all: you can blabber on honored jargon, but that does not make you a certified knowledgeable scientist. Anyone on here can claim anything.
Dozens of highly educated and well established virologist do not share your view.
Second:
somehow escape the body, somehow enter into another body (apparently by teleportation) somehow cross into the bloodstream, somehow make it to a cell that is expressing the ACE-2 protein, and then somehow aligns with that protein, and then somehow do anything except cause that single receptor to shut down
Yet, you are willing to go with the narrative that natural "viruses" somehow spread from person to person without ANY evidence. All the evidence you have is concurrence, coincidental data. The only viruses that spread from person to person are designed to do that.
Third:
Any jabbed person is a spike protein factory. It get's into sperm, ovaries, lympfnodes, saliva, brain.
That it influences people with whom a test subject has close contact is even mentioned in the Pfizer contra-indications. You are neglecting a major implication.
You are appealing to the McCLintock effect, yet you have no evidence for it's pathway. You are reaching and you have no evidence.
Dozens of highly educated and well established virologist do not share your view.
Please point out one virologist (not MD, but actual scientist) who says they think the spike protein is shedding and causing problems and presents an argument or evidence for how that is happening.
Just one argument, or one piece of evidence, by one actual scientist.
Just one.
Yet, you are willing to go with the narrative that natural "viruses" somehow spread from person to person without ANY evidence.
There is a ridiculous amount of evidence that viruses spread.
Here is a paper that looks at mask efficacy in an outbreak of H1N1 (or some flu variant, I'd have to look it up by I'm busy finding evidence for you). It show quite clearly that masks don't work to stop the spread of a virus. (Note: "stop the spread of a virus").
Note: I am getting more stuff. I posted accidentally mid gathering. You have way too many things to respond to! At least you didn't put them all in one post.
Oh, I dunno... The inventor seems to think they can...
https://greatawakening.win/p/12ih0RwtBH/mrna-inventor-censored-for-confi/c/
So does this study.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2020/12/04/2020.12.04.409144.full.pdf
I am responding to this post so that it has visibility under my original post in case someone later comes to this conversation. I am also using it to respond to you directly.
I am watching this show with Dr. Malone. It is long, and I am not very far in, but around the 15 ish minute mark they talk about the spike protein. They talk about how the part that is not in the membrane (so just a piece of the protein, not the whole thing) can be cleaved from the cells that the vaccine causes to express it and go off and interact with other cells in the body.
I have mentioned this possibility before (though not in my discussion with you). I have found no evidence to support their statement, but I am still listening and hopefully they will provide that information.
If that is going on, then my statement on S protein cross person transmission changes from "its impossible" to "maybe a piece of it is" (in this case, it would be a part that does do damage).
The maybe is still important. We really don't infect other people with our blood proteins. Its just not a thing in any meaningful way. Nevertheless, if I can find evidence to corroborate this protein cleavage from the vaccinated cells, and the cleaved part remaining intact and active, I will change my protest from impossible to unlikely.
I would also like to say my estimation of Dr. Malone has increased.
First of all, what he said had no basis in cell biology reality (see below).
Second, he said "in miniscule amounts". So you believe he must be telling the truth about it shedding (because it fits your fear of it) but then don't believe he is telling the truth about the scale (because it doesn't fit your fear of it).
That makes perfect sense, if you use fear to guide your reasoning.
I am a cell biologist and bio-nanotechnology researcher in a field related to the vaccines. There is no biological basis for a transmembrane protein to escape the lipid bilayer it is locked into, somehow escape the body, somehow enter into another body (apparently by teleportation) somehow cross into the bloodstream, somehow make it to a cell that is expressing the ACE-2 protein, and then somehow aligns with that protein, and then somehow do anything except cause that single receptor to shut down. That would do NOTHING to a whole cell, and less than nothing to the tissue it lives in.
So you understand, transmembrane proteins of the type that is the SARS S protein can't escape the membrane. it just doesn't happen. Even if they did, the lipid bilayer is essential for the structure and function, requiring both mechanical forces and the hydrophobic environment only existing within the lipid bilayer. So if it escaped, it would instantly unfold and would form some other structure. Considering that the ACE-2 ligand part of the S protein is dependent on the S Proteins tertiary structure, which instantly changes if it miraculously escaped the membrane, there is virtually no way it is still capable of activating the ACE-2 receptor even if all the other 10 miracles happened that got it into another persons body and interfacing with the right cell in the right orientation.
From the perspective of someone who does research in these things, the concept is beyond ludicrous that the S protein is "shedding" and making people sick.
Considering all "sickness" it is causing is related to menstruation, and menstrual sympathy has been a thing forever, and the vaccine itself has been shown to accumulate in the ovaries, BY FAR the most likely explanation is a pheromone response causing menstrual sympathy.
No, please don't put words in my mouth.
He said that the spike protein sheds (as a fact), and then offers his thought (a hypothesis) that the shedding is minor.
He said that it sheds. He invented it.
Edit to add: Everyone assumed that the injection stays at the injection site too... and it doesn't... and now we discover that not only does it spread throughout the body, it also has the ability to cross the blood / brain barrier... so, shedding is truly not out of the realm of possibility, despite you trying to convolute and confuse with your Cell Biology terminology.
When people were saying this, I was saying that there was NO POSSIBLE WAY it was remaining at the injection site. Such an idea was ludicrous. I made protest after protest about the design of the vaccines and how they would easily enter the cardiovascular and lymphatic systems and spread everywhere.
Which was completely obvious to me because I have designed lipid nanoparticles for cell specific targeting drug delivery...
So I know a thing or two about what is going on.
If what I said was confusing I apologize. I was trying to be specific and accurate. It is difficult to explain how ludicrous some of the ideas are without getting into the nitty gritty.
Of course it does. I said that from the beginning. We create PEGylated lipid nanoparticles of that specific size precisely because they CAN cross the BBB.
Just because someone else got a completely unrelated thing wrong, doesn't mean that this is also wrong. That is a logical fallacy.
Look, you said "Shedding can't happen."
And I offered the INVENTOR saying otherwise.
I don't care to look into the mechanism of which chirality or stereoisomer does which or whatever. The point is, that we just DON'T KNOW. Do I want you to be right? Of course! But, we don't know.
WE?
State your affiliation + proof.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2020/12/04/2020.12.04.409144.full.pdf
Did you read what I wrote or did you stop at the fear statement.
I am a researcher in the field. If you would like to learn why what he said is almost certainly not true I recommend reading what I wrote.
I edited my comment while you were responding. Apologies for a sneaky edit!
I read what you wrote thoroughly. My days of cell biology courses are behind me but I can understand research papers just fine, thank you for your derision and condescension.
Take it from another researcher, you've made several assumptions and you're tying everything to one alleged protein. We know different test subjects are getting different injections, easily proven despite blank ingredient sheets, simply based on the extreme differences in event reporting by lot.
We know there's more side effects from SHEDDERS than menstrual, and even then, putting the extreme bleeding, sudden huge painful, off- cycle extended bleeding to magical synchronization which normally happens gradually over months is beyond ludicrous. Especially since MALES have caused the reactions in FEMALES. You have some lab vocabulary but clearly no clinical experience so kindly stop trolling and read moar.
Soooooooo why should we trust you over other researchers? Because you said you were right on the GAW page?
Many Dr,’s are reporting multiple patients coming in with nosebleeds, severe bruising, some with abdominal bleeding, ITTP (idiopathic thrombocytopenia Purpura), patients having stillborns in the 2nd and 3rd trimester (uncommon), clotting abnormalities, and these are not isolated incidences.
Watch “Critical Thinking” on Rumble. It had the 5 Dr’s. every Thursday that discuss what they are seeing in clinic. Also, Dr. Judy Macovich has explained the shedding theory.
I personally didn’t believe it but I don’t believe that all of these Dr’s are conspiring to lie.
As a scientist, you know that sometimes science doesn’t explain everything. Sometimes we expect a certain outcome based on what we know and then scratch our head wondering why the heck something defies science. That’s when we have to listen to patients.
I pray to God that your right.
First of all: you can blabber on honored jargon, but that does not make you a certified knowledgeable scientist. Anyone on here can claim anything.
Dozens of highly educated and well established virologist do not share your view.
Second:
Yet, you are willing to go with the narrative that natural "viruses" somehow spread from person to person without ANY evidence. All the evidence you have is concurrence, coincidental data. The only viruses that spread from person to person are designed to do that.
Third: Any jabbed person is a spike protein factory. It get's into sperm, ovaries, lympfnodes, saliva, brain.
That it influences people with whom a test subject has close contact is even mentioned in the Pfizer contra-indications. You are neglecting a major implication.
You are appealing to the McCLintock effect, yet you have no evidence for it's pathway. You are reaching and you have no evidence.
THAT is by FAR the most likely explanation.
That leaves us with the observation as is.
By Fauci shill.
Please point out one virologist (not MD, but actual scientist) who says they think the spike protein is shedding and causing problems and presents an argument or evidence for how that is happening.
Just one argument, or one piece of evidence, by one actual scientist.
Just one.
There is a ridiculous amount of evidence that viruses spread.
Here is a paper that looks at mask efficacy in an outbreak of H1N1 (or some flu variant, I'd have to look it up by I'm busy finding evidence for you). It show quite clearly that masks don't work to stop the spread of a virus. (Note: "stop the spread of a virus").
Note: I am getting more stuff. I posted accidentally mid gathering. You have way too many things to respond to! At least you didn't put them all in one post.
Seriously?
challenges such as these in this time and age are a clear demonstration of you being a shill.
Sorry, I gave you wrong link before. Here is the Pfizer doc admitting it.
https://media.tghn.org/medialibrary/2020/11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020_Pfizer_BioNTech.pdf
Looking forward to digging in! Thank you!