Yeah, I'm not seeing this as a problem. While it might be a technical violation as long as they didn't vote twice by voting in the new placed they moved as well I don't see how that effects the results of any state wide election??? As long as its one vote per person and they are US citizens then who cares??? We need to focus on real fraud not pick at technicalities that don't really effect the final outcome.
No one should be suggesting that these type of people lose their right to vote based on a technicality.
My fuckin' sister in Australia tried to use my mom address to vote in Georgia election. No clue if she succeeded in voting, but the mere act of trying it brunt some bridges between us.
I never said people from out of state or that moved within the state should be aloud to vote twice. I read most of this article and it was talking about 50k people that moved from one county to another and were beyond the 30 days limit. I saw nothing about those people voting in both counties or at least not large numbers of them.
So you're saying if I move to south GA... which I am... and I still vote here in Atlanta 45 days later because I was too busy fucking moving to fill out the paperwork in the 30 days time-frame but I DO NOT VOTE in my new county in south GA that just because I missed some arbitrary 30 days time frame that I'm stripped of my right to vote? Yeah, if that's how anyone thinks this works you can all get fucked.
These people rigged computer systems to change hundreds of thousands of votes and they want to nit-pick 50k votes that might be technically illegal but half or more of them were not double votes they were just people being lazy? Seriously? That's what everyone is pegging their hopes of flipping GA back to Trump on???
Maybe I need to re-read that article more closely but it sounds like people need to actually fucking read what I said.
So what are you saying? Folks should just roll up and be like "I can't be bother to get my license updated as required by law, but let me vote here because I live here now. Trust me."
And if you actually move in October, you will be a small minority.
What I'm saying is there are better ways to handle this than a rule that gives all the power to the government and also gives the government the ability to DENY YOU YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE.
Seriously can you think of any right more important than voting? Even the 1st and 2nd pale in comparison to the right to vote. Without the right to vote none of it means anything. That's the whole reason this is such a huge problem to begin with.
Yet the solution everyone seems to be all in on is to just throw away thousands of REAL VOTES as a quick fix to getting rid of an unknown number of fake votes. No one seems interested in setting up things so we know what is fake and what isn't. Don't bother digging into the truth. Just throw the baby out with the bath water. We didn't need the baby anyway.
Let me put this another way. Whatever solution we come up with to these voting problems it can't be a solution that gives the government more control. Yet that is what you are all suggesting that a petty government bureaucratic rule is more important than a citizens right to vote.
I would remind you that you are dealing with people who's favorite weapon is lawfair.
Like I said... part of the problem. You're right I didn't offer a solution because I can't force you to wake up and realize what you're doing and how wrong your thinking is. You are like everyone has been for two hundred years handing power to bureaucrats. The solutions should be obvious... simple things like extend the time to something more reasonable say 90 days.
Instead your solution is to allow lawyers and politicians to set arbitrary guidelines and if a citizen falls outside of those guidelines they are stripped of their rights... rules are rules. So sense that applies to my voting rights too then does that apply to the 1st amendment and 2nd amendment too. If I don't re-register my gun every year or two does that right just expire as well because some rule says so???
I'm not trying to solve a problem or offer a solution because that is easy to do by anyone with half a brain that actually values peoples right to vote. I'm trying to wake you up and make you realize you are carelessly throwing away the right to vote like its nothing.
The worst part of all is you aren't just giving the government power over you... you are stripping yourself of the ability to have any power over the government. Its the one thing we do that truly has real sway over them is vote and you just toss it aside like some rule is more important than that power.
I'll say again that I understand rules are important, but at what point are you going backwards and defeating the whole purpose of the rule to begin with? Don't bother answering. You just think on it.
We need to fix voting to eliminate fraud... doing so by stripping people of the right to vote isn't the right way to do that. So proceed with caution... please.
Also, having basic requirements is not 'stripping people the right to vote' or going backward, it's a basic set of rule to keep people from gaming the system.
Sorry, if you can't meet them, then you're probably too dumb to vote anyways.
You provided nothing. Just long rants of emotional bullshit that disconnected from logic.
If I move to south GA from Atlanta but the election is only 50 days away so I just summit my mail in ballot even though I moved and TECHNICALLY it was more than 30 days you are seriously suggesting that invalidates my vote?
NOTE - I did NOT VOTE in the county I moved to so I did NOT vote twice. So for any state wide election like Gov, POTUS, Senate etc it would make ZERO difference where I voted.
You seriously think its okay to entirely strip me of my right to vote because I missed some arbitrary 30 day deadline??? If so this country is doomed.
And it has nothing to do with the electoral college. POTUS is a state wide vote to determine the winner for the whole state. If I only vote once it doesn't matter where I vote. Re-read what I said... "As long as its one vote per person and they are US citizens then who cares???"
I have no words to respond to this level of stupid. Sorry, not meant as a personal attack. I just can't believe people are so short sighted. This is exactly how we got into the mess we are in in the first place.
Listen to what you are implying. You're saying that the government is allowed to create a rule that the government can then selectively enforce and via that rule and its selective enforcement a citizen can be stripped(or not) of the one and only power s/he has to control the government.
Nice job... now you have an out of control government. Congrats... you are a GENIUS!!! I'm impressed. Truly.
But its muh law!!! May I suggest you go study up on Judge Dredd(comics or movies) .
Look into getting the laws changed in your State, but nit picking which laws we will follow and which we will ignore is what got us into this unbalanced legal system we are in. If a Law is bad it should be gotten rid of not ignored.
Dude. It’s not a technicality. It’s a law. It’s designed to prevent people from voting twice. The article talks about what happens inside 30 days and even temporary moves. Think about how slow government operates. If you move before the election and your residency isn’t updated but you somehow become eligible in your new location and you vote twice, that’s illegal. What if one person submitted multiple change of address forms? What if someone steals your vote in your old or new locale? If that number of total address changes is abnormally high and the margin in the race is unusually low it indicates real systemic fraud. And if I remember correctly, GA was one of those states where many people were registered to addresses where buildings didn’t even exist. They uncovered lots of people registered to vote in those places. All this stuff ties together. Didn’t Democrats say they were going to “move” to Georgia for the supposed Senate runoff? Pretty sure Andrew Yang did, until he moved to NYC to suck as a mayoral candidate. This author is on to something. But perhaps more importantly, this “technicality” is the law. And if that law isn’t enforced, it’s likely others are not. Which goes back to my original statement: it’s designed to prevent fraud. If GA voters and legislators feel that is not the best way to achieve that, they should change the law. Laws should not be optional. Especially election law. If you try to place nice you open yourself up to be taken advantage of. And guess what? The minute discretion becomes the accepted norm is the minute we end up with a demented loser who cheated more than any candidate in the history of our country, as President.
SMH... what if ... what if... what if... I understand that problem. And I agree voting twice is a bad thing. Nowhere in that article did I see where it talked about thousands of people have been proven to have voted twice. It talked about people that moved and didn't fill out the right paperwork. Which can indicate possible fraud... POSSIBLE. All I'm saying is we can't be so zealous in our pursuit of fraud that we strip legit votes from citizens who did nothing wrong but miss some arbitrary time limit.
As long as they only voted once in one place I don't have a problem with it AND I HAVE FUCKING LIVED MY ENTIRE 50 YEARS OF LIFE IN GA.
We are dealing with computer and ballot fraud of a scale of hundreds of thousands of votes and this is what you think we should hang our hats on to flip GA back to red? A bureaucratic technicality involving 50k votes that just hands power to the government to strip voting rights away from citizens who don't follow the rules? If they feel like enforcing the rules... which we know they will selectively do if given the chance. Do you have any idea how insane that is?
Uh… “strip voting rights away from citizens who don't follow the rules?“ Yeah, I think if someone is too lazy (your words), too busy, too uninformed to figure out how vote LEGALLY their vote should not count. It’s that simple. You’re worried about protecting the votes of people who were voting outside the law, whether intentional or not. I’m worried about disenfranchising the 5MM GA voters, and the tens of millions of Americans, who legally cast their vote in favor of protecting those who couldn’t be bothered to follow the law. By the way, this law prevents funny business at the local level, not just the national elections. The focus is obviously on the Presidential race because we’re unhappy with the results. But there are probably several down ballot races impacted too. If you leave your county, you should not have a right to impact the outcome of that local election - I don’t care if you don’t have time to fill out a form or not.
From my perspective, 35,000-50,000 changes of address immediately preceding an election seems awfully high. So from that perspective something is off. Look at how they responded to this - they told this guy you can’t know this because you don’t have the SSN numbers. It wasn’t, “Here is the data showing you are wrong…” it was, “You can’t be right because you don’t have information you wouldn’t ever have anyway.” He pointed out there were voter ID numbers that could prove his point. Suddenly that changed their tune because they’ve realized they certified false results. To me, their response tells me this author is over the target. They got caught and they know it.
Do I think that there were multiple paths to cheating in this election? Yup. Sure do. Haven’t stopped thinking about seeing vote tallies switch in front of my eyes for months now. As we’ve seen, proving machine fraud is difficult and nobody seems to want to hear it. But this… it’s easy to see and understand. My primary concern is seeing these election results decertified as soon as possible. What these clowns are doing now is incredibly destructive. I want to undermine the cabal, because I believe both sides were in on it, and delegitimize everything they are trying to do. If this gets us there sooner and positions us to fix the election we will have an easier time uncovering these other methods of cheating and addressing them. It’s also the easiest way to get these bad actors out - prove they aren’t properly administering elections. I’m not so proud that winning this thing through singles and doubles seems like such a bad thing. A home run would be great but I’m not content to wait for that, or strike out again, in hopes that happens. We should take the small wind and build momentum from them.
I didn't read you whole wall of text. Look I live in GA. People have been fleeing Atlanta for two decades. At the time of this election the economy was roaring here. Which meant tons of leftists from blue states were moving to Atlanta and tons of locals were fleeing out of Atlanta. Was it 50k... probibly not but it was a lot of people.
Everyone seems to think that its more important to follow the rules/law than it is for people to maintain their rights, but the type of system you are setting up gives all the power to the bureaucrats. Can't you see how short sighted that is? Can't you see how that is what got us where we are today. We've been handing power to the government... to bureaucrats... for decades. When did rules become more important than common sense?
Have you considered that there are people out there like me that have NEVER EVER actually moved before? People that have lived in the same place for 30 or 40 or even 60 years. Lived there so long that the last time they moved they were either a child or the rules themselves didn't even exist? So you solution to their lack of knowledge or yes possibly laziness is to strip them of their power to control the government? In effect to give power over them to others?
You might as well be suggesting they become a slave because they broke the rules. Ooopps here is your collar.
In your zeal to deal with election fraud you're making it worse. May I suggest you take a deep breath and think long and hard about what is important. Rules are important. They are not all important. Think for yourself. Use your common sense. The goal is for every legal citizen to get their one legal vote. The goal is not to follow the rules... government rules. The goal is not to blindly enforce rules made by the government. That's what slaves and robots do.
I'm going to say it one more time. The goal is for every legal citizen to get their one legal vote. EVERY citizen.
"The goal is for every legal citizen to get their one legal vote. EVERY citizen."
Do you disagree with that?
OR is the goal to make sure everyone follows the rules set by the government?
Its a simple question.
I'm trying to wake you people up. We The People aren't making these rules like 30 days or else... THE GOVERNMENT MAKES THOSE RULES!!! If that rule stripped you of your 2nd amendment rights would you tolerate it, no... so why do we tolerate it with voting. And yeah... I get it we can't allow them to structure the rules to allow them to cheat, FINE, I get that. Stripping legal votes in the process is a bad idea. You hand power to the bureaucrats.
You are the cop arresting a person because you were just following the rules(or just following orders).
Trump is coming back
That is all
CNN: No evidence...
You don't find election fraud in your ass.
'New' evidence? We've known that the election was fraudulent since the election was held.
Yeah, I'm not seeing this as a problem. While it might be a technical violation as long as they didn't vote twice by voting in the new placed they moved as well I don't see how that effects the results of any state wide election??? As long as its one vote per person and they are US citizens then who cares??? We need to focus on real fraud not pick at technicalities that don't really effect the final outcome.
No one should be suggesting that these type of people lose their right to vote based on a technicality.
My fuckin' sister in Australia tried to use my mom address to vote in Georgia election. No clue if she succeeded in voting, but the mere act of trying it brunt some bridges between us.
I never said people from out of state or that moved within the state should be aloud to vote twice. I read most of this article and it was talking about 50k people that moved from one county to another and were beyond the 30 days limit. I saw nothing about those people voting in both counties or at least not large numbers of them.
So you're saying if I move to south GA... which I am... and I still vote here in Atlanta 45 days later because I was too busy fucking moving to fill out the paperwork in the 30 days time-frame but I DO NOT VOTE in my new county in south GA that just because I missed some arbitrary 30 days time frame that I'm stripped of my right to vote? Yeah, if that's how anyone thinks this works you can all get fucked.
These people rigged computer systems to change hundreds of thousands of votes and they want to nit-pick 50k votes that might be technically illegal but half or more of them were not double votes they were just people being lazy? Seriously? That's what everyone is pegging their hopes of flipping GA back to Trump on???
Maybe I need to re-read that article more closely but it sounds like people need to actually fucking read what I said.
So what are you saying? Folks should just roll up and be like "I can't be bother to get my license updated as required by law, but let me vote here because I live here now. Trust me."
And if you actually move in October, you will be a small minority.
What I'm saying is there are better ways to handle this than a rule that gives all the power to the government and also gives the government the ability to DENY YOU YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE.
Seriously can you think of any right more important than voting? Even the 1st and 2nd pale in comparison to the right to vote. Without the right to vote none of it means anything. That's the whole reason this is such a huge problem to begin with.
Yet the solution everyone seems to be all in on is to just throw away thousands of REAL VOTES as a quick fix to getting rid of an unknown number of fake votes. No one seems interested in setting up things so we know what is fake and what isn't. Don't bother digging into the truth. Just throw the baby out with the bath water. We didn't need the baby anyway.
Let me put this another way. Whatever solution we come up with to these voting problems it can't be a solution that gives the government more control. Yet that is what you are all suggesting that a petty government bureaucratic rule is more important than a citizens right to vote.
I would remind you that you are dealing with people who's favorite weapon is lawfair.
You want to bitch and complain but offer no solution? Your whole post is garbage. Like a liberal rant.
Requiring people to file proper paper work when they move is a fucking part of life. Grow up and be responsible.
If they don't file the correct change of address, then they can't vote. Simple.
Like I said... part of the problem. You're right I didn't offer a solution because I can't force you to wake up and realize what you're doing and how wrong your thinking is. You are like everyone has been for two hundred years handing power to bureaucrats. The solutions should be obvious... simple things like extend the time to something more reasonable say 90 days.
Instead your solution is to allow lawyers and politicians to set arbitrary guidelines and if a citizen falls outside of those guidelines they are stripped of their rights... rules are rules. So sense that applies to my voting rights too then does that apply to the 1st amendment and 2nd amendment too. If I don't re-register my gun every year or two does that right just expire as well because some rule says so???
I'm not trying to solve a problem or offer a solution because that is easy to do by anyone with half a brain that actually values peoples right to vote. I'm trying to wake you up and make you realize you are carelessly throwing away the right to vote like its nothing.
The worst part of all is you aren't just giving the government power over you... you are stripping yourself of the ability to have any power over the government. Its the one thing we do that truly has real sway over them is vote and you just toss it aside like some rule is more important than that power.
I'll say again that I understand rules are important, but at what point are you going backwards and defeating the whole purpose of the rule to begin with? Don't bother answering. You just think on it.
We need to fix voting to eliminate fraud... doing so by stripping people of the right to vote isn't the right way to do that. So proceed with caution... please.
Also, having basic requirements is not 'stripping people the right to vote' or going backward, it's a basic set of rule to keep people from gaming the system.
Sorry, if you can't meet them, then you're probably too dumb to vote anyways.
You provided nothing. Just long rants of emotional bullshit that disconnected from logic.
The fuck are you talking about?
We're talking about filling a change of address 30 days before an election to ensure only the correct people can vote in the election.
What the fuck do you want? No id? Wide open voting? Come on it!! Vote for my mayor!! You don't live here, but vote anyways!!
The fuck.is wrong with you.
Have you heard about the Electoral college?
If I move to south GA from Atlanta but the election is only 50 days away so I just summit my mail in ballot even though I moved and TECHNICALLY it was more than 30 days you are seriously suggesting that invalidates my vote?
NOTE - I did NOT VOTE in the county I moved to so I did NOT vote twice. So for any state wide election like Gov, POTUS, Senate etc it would make ZERO difference where I voted.
You seriously think its okay to entirely strip me of my right to vote because I missed some arbitrary 30 day deadline??? If so this country is doomed.
And it has nothing to do with the electoral college. POTUS is a state wide vote to determine the winner for the whole state. If I only vote once it doesn't matter where I vote. Re-read what I said... "As long as its one vote per person and they are US citizens then who cares???"
Yes, you broke the law so seriously your vote shouldn’t count.
I have no words to respond to this level of stupid. Sorry, not meant as a personal attack. I just can't believe people are so short sighted. This is exactly how we got into the mess we are in in the first place.
Listen to what you are implying. You're saying that the government is allowed to create a rule that the government can then selectively enforce and via that rule and its selective enforcement a citizen can be stripped(or not) of the one and only power s/he has to control the government.
Nice job... now you have an out of control government. Congrats... you are a GENIUS!!! I'm impressed. Truly.
But its muh law!!! May I suggest you go study up on Judge Dredd(comics or movies) .
Guess I will just vote in PA next time even though I haven’t lived there in a decade.
Look into getting the laws changed in your State, but nit picking which laws we will follow and which we will ignore is what got us into this unbalanced legal system we are in. If a Law is bad it should be gotten rid of not ignored.
Dude. It’s not a technicality. It’s a law. It’s designed to prevent people from voting twice. The article talks about what happens inside 30 days and even temporary moves. Think about how slow government operates. If you move before the election and your residency isn’t updated but you somehow become eligible in your new location and you vote twice, that’s illegal. What if one person submitted multiple change of address forms? What if someone steals your vote in your old or new locale? If that number of total address changes is abnormally high and the margin in the race is unusually low it indicates real systemic fraud. And if I remember correctly, GA was one of those states where many people were registered to addresses where buildings didn’t even exist. They uncovered lots of people registered to vote in those places. All this stuff ties together. Didn’t Democrats say they were going to “move” to Georgia for the supposed Senate runoff? Pretty sure Andrew Yang did, until he moved to NYC to suck as a mayoral candidate. This author is on to something. But perhaps more importantly, this “technicality” is the law. And if that law isn’t enforced, it’s likely others are not. Which goes back to my original statement: it’s designed to prevent fraud. If GA voters and legislators feel that is not the best way to achieve that, they should change the law. Laws should not be optional. Especially election law. If you try to place nice you open yourself up to be taken advantage of. And guess what? The minute discretion becomes the accepted norm is the minute we end up with a demented loser who cheated more than any candidate in the history of our country, as President.
SMH... what if ... what if... what if... I understand that problem. And I agree voting twice is a bad thing. Nowhere in that article did I see where it talked about thousands of people have been proven to have voted twice. It talked about people that moved and didn't fill out the right paperwork. Which can indicate possible fraud... POSSIBLE. All I'm saying is we can't be so zealous in our pursuit of fraud that we strip legit votes from citizens who did nothing wrong but miss some arbitrary time limit.
As long as they only voted once in one place I don't have a problem with it AND I HAVE FUCKING LIVED MY ENTIRE 50 YEARS OF LIFE IN GA.
We are dealing with computer and ballot fraud of a scale of hundreds of thousands of votes and this is what you think we should hang our hats on to flip GA back to red? A bureaucratic technicality involving 50k votes that just hands power to the government to strip voting rights away from citizens who don't follow the rules? If they feel like enforcing the rules... which we know they will selectively do if given the chance. Do you have any idea how insane that is?
Uh… “strip voting rights away from citizens who don't follow the rules?“ Yeah, I think if someone is too lazy (your words), too busy, too uninformed to figure out how vote LEGALLY their vote should not count. It’s that simple. You’re worried about protecting the votes of people who were voting outside the law, whether intentional or not. I’m worried about disenfranchising the 5MM GA voters, and the tens of millions of Americans, who legally cast their vote in favor of protecting those who couldn’t be bothered to follow the law. By the way, this law prevents funny business at the local level, not just the national elections. The focus is obviously on the Presidential race because we’re unhappy with the results. But there are probably several down ballot races impacted too. If you leave your county, you should not have a right to impact the outcome of that local election - I don’t care if you don’t have time to fill out a form or not.
From my perspective, 35,000-50,000 changes of address immediately preceding an election seems awfully high. So from that perspective something is off. Look at how they responded to this - they told this guy you can’t know this because you don’t have the SSN numbers. It wasn’t, “Here is the data showing you are wrong…” it was, “You can’t be right because you don’t have information you wouldn’t ever have anyway.” He pointed out there were voter ID numbers that could prove his point. Suddenly that changed their tune because they’ve realized they certified false results. To me, their response tells me this author is over the target. They got caught and they know it.
Do I think that there were multiple paths to cheating in this election? Yup. Sure do. Haven’t stopped thinking about seeing vote tallies switch in front of my eyes for months now. As we’ve seen, proving machine fraud is difficult and nobody seems to want to hear it. But this… it’s easy to see and understand. My primary concern is seeing these election results decertified as soon as possible. What these clowns are doing now is incredibly destructive. I want to undermine the cabal, because I believe both sides were in on it, and delegitimize everything they are trying to do. If this gets us there sooner and positions us to fix the election we will have an easier time uncovering these other methods of cheating and addressing them. It’s also the easiest way to get these bad actors out - prove they aren’t properly administering elections. I’m not so proud that winning this thing through singles and doubles seems like such a bad thing. A home run would be great but I’m not content to wait for that, or strike out again, in hopes that happens. We should take the small wind and build momentum from them.
I didn't read you whole wall of text. Look I live in GA. People have been fleeing Atlanta for two decades. At the time of this election the economy was roaring here. Which meant tons of leftists from blue states were moving to Atlanta and tons of locals were fleeing out of Atlanta. Was it 50k... probibly not but it was a lot of people.
Everyone seems to think that its more important to follow the rules/law than it is for people to maintain their rights, but the type of system you are setting up gives all the power to the bureaucrats. Can't you see how short sighted that is? Can't you see how that is what got us where we are today. We've been handing power to the government... to bureaucrats... for decades. When did rules become more important than common sense?
Have you considered that there are people out there like me that have NEVER EVER actually moved before? People that have lived in the same place for 30 or 40 or even 60 years. Lived there so long that the last time they moved they were either a child or the rules themselves didn't even exist? So you solution to their lack of knowledge or yes possibly laziness is to strip them of their power to control the government? In effect to give power over them to others?
You might as well be suggesting they become a slave because they broke the rules. Ooopps here is your collar.
In your zeal to deal with election fraud you're making it worse. May I suggest you take a deep breath and think long and hard about what is important. Rules are important. They are not all important. Think for yourself. Use your common sense. The goal is for every legal citizen to get their one legal vote. The goal is not to follow the rules... government rules. The goal is not to blindly enforce rules made by the government. That's what slaves and robots do.
I'm going to say it one more time. The goal is for every legal citizen to get their one legal vote. EVERY citizen.
What the fuck is wrong with you?!?!
"The goal is for every legal citizen to get their one legal vote. EVERY citizen."
Do you disagree with that?
OR is the goal to make sure everyone follows the rules set by the government?
Its a simple question.
I'm trying to wake you people up. We The People aren't making these rules like 30 days or else... THE GOVERNMENT MAKES THOSE RULES!!! If that rule stripped you of your 2nd amendment rights would you tolerate it, no... so why do we tolerate it with voting. And yeah... I get it we can't allow them to structure the rules to allow them to cheat, FINE, I get that. Stripping legal votes in the process is a bad idea. You hand power to the bureaucrats.
You are the cop arresting a person because you were just following the rules(or just following orders).
The old evidence already indicated this...i want arrests.