Sorry, I still don't trust this shit. Is anything really "unhackable"?
I feel that paper ballots, in person, with a chain of custody is the most secure. But hell, I honestly wouldn't even trust that 100% anymore!
Blockchain removes the possibility of human error and or corruption, which is the only real problem with paper ballots and chain of custody.
The blockchain isn't something controlled by any one person, which is what he means by "next to unhackable". Below video I showed my dad a few months back that eased his mind about blockchain and btc:
Blockchain is really useful and important technology. I think there's a good reason nobody knows who Satoshi is (name credited to Bitcoin blockchain whitepaper), just like nobody knows who Q is. Blockchain very well could be one of the many stones David threw to slay Goliath.
Not by mail though... Still vulnerable to harvesting, etc... There are plenty of hard up folks who sold their voice for gas cards, gift cards, cash and so-on...
I will concede that a quantum computer would be likely able to crack the encryption fairly easily of a block chain set up on a traditional system.
Though… we dont know if Q computers are there yet to process the algorithms to crack a block chain… however, if systems are developed enough to hack using a quantum computer, then they are also capable enough to run a new type of block chain on… lets call it a quantum block chain. If block chains can be run using quantum computers, then i will go out on a limb and say it will be unhackable… but i digress
If a centralized agency (i.e. NSA) is capable of monitoring devices globally, is it so much of a stretch to imagine such an agency modifying individual blocks in the ledger, illicitly on all devices that contain the ledger, assuming they’re capable of manipulating the hash? I’ll admit, manipulating the hash would probably be the hardest part but I certainly wouldn’t consider it impossible.
You are correct which is why i said almost impossible. I would never claim anything as 100% unhackable… but first you would need to find all the servers the vote block chain is on… and if you get this far undetected, you would then need to hack more than 50% of the servers to manipulate the data in a way the block chain thinks the corrupt data is the correct/majority data
Okay fair enough. And I’m not trying to call you out or anything, just genuinely curious.
I see these sort of bad faith players like USPS advocating for this sort of thing and I can’t help but wonder if the goal is to build faith under the pretense of “unhackable” only to use that as cover to hack it. I mean, this go around, they only had to say it was the most secure election ever without even having a basis for saying so.
The key, is that the system has to be truly decentralized… because if is controlled only by one entity, then it will always be at risk to potential bad actors…
Laymans terms, Blockchain works like this. Think of a chain link. One link is attached to the next which is attached to the next, and so on and so forth. Now assume one link is data, your vote. The chain link (block), your data, has a unique Hash number that is its identification as well as information stored within that block (heavily encrypted). There is also a hash signature appended on to your hash from the block before yours and the one after… making up your unique hash number.
Say your black hash is 52…. The block before yours is A2, and the one after yours would be 7B
That makes your unique number A2 52 7B
If someone would remove your data and place it else where the hash’s wont allign and the system will know there is an issue.
Better yet, block chain is also decentralized, meaning it is not on one network or system… and they are always in constant communication with each other. So if someone hacks a server and deletes out data the rest of the systems/servers that have the data automatically recognize something is missing and will auto correct the corrupted/missing data… The only way you can actually successfully hack Blockchain is that you need to hack the majority of the servers simultaneously and delete more than 50% of the data.
In doing this majority of the servers would hold the missing data and therefore the overall system would think that is the correct information. If you cannot attack more than 50% of the data simultaneously ,it will always revert back to the correct data. This is how Blockchain is almost un hackable
Thats the thing, random people cant just randomly add what they feel on the block chain… you can add micro imprints within each ballot printed, so when scanned in , the ballot id will match the ID on the block, meaning the ballot isnt fake, and you can verify your data and your vote
Block chain voting will be next to unhackable…. This is the way
Yep but not through the post office. Still needs to be in person.
Blockchain will make that irrelevant. Look up the identity stack
Sorry, I still don't trust this shit. Is anything really "unhackable"? I feel that paper ballots, in person, with a chain of custody is the most secure. But hell, I honestly wouldn't even trust that 100% anymore!
Chain of Custody is only improved with the implementation of Block Chain. That is exactly what Block Chain is best used for.
Blockchain removes the possibility of human error and or corruption, which is the only real problem with paper ballots and chain of custody.
The blockchain isn't something controlled by any one person, which is what he means by "next to unhackable". Below video I showed my dad a few months back that eased his mind about blockchain and btc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSo_EIwHSd4
Blockchain is really useful and important technology. I think there's a good reason nobody knows who Satoshi is (name credited to Bitcoin blockchain whitepaper), just like nobody knows who Q is. Blockchain very well could be one of the many stones David threw to slay Goliath.
Doesn't matter. Federal government has no authority to do it. It is up to each state.
Plus, you haven't learned that they always start out with a "good idea" but then change the rules later.
Not by mail though... Still vulnerable to harvesting, etc... There are plenty of hard up folks who sold their voice for gas cards, gift cards, cash and so-on...
False. Just plain false.
It will be way worse than now. Those with the most compute power will win.
I will concede that a quantum computer would be likely able to crack the encryption fairly easily of a block chain set up on a traditional system. Though… we dont know if Q computers are there yet to process the algorithms to crack a block chain… however, if systems are developed enough to hack using a quantum computer, then they are also capable enough to run a new type of block chain on… lets call it a quantum block chain. If block chains can be run using quantum computers, then i will go out on a limb and say it will be unhackable… but i digress
No, you idiot. He who has a larger number of computers can create the next valid block.
Who has control of the most computers?
Please read up on block chain
Is it though?
If a centralized agency (i.e. NSA) is capable of monitoring devices globally, is it so much of a stretch to imagine such an agency modifying individual blocks in the ledger, illicitly on all devices that contain the ledger, assuming they’re capable of manipulating the hash? I’ll admit, manipulating the hash would probably be the hardest part but I certainly wouldn’t consider it impossible.
Can someone enlighten me?
You are correct which is why i said almost impossible. I would never claim anything as 100% unhackable… but first you would need to find all the servers the vote block chain is on… and if you get this far undetected, you would then need to hack more than 50% of the servers to manipulate the data in a way the block chain thinks the corrupt data is the correct/majority data
Okay fair enough. And I’m not trying to call you out or anything, just genuinely curious.
I see these sort of bad faith players like USPS advocating for this sort of thing and I can’t help but wonder if the goal is to build faith under the pretense of “unhackable” only to use that as cover to hack it. I mean, this go around, they only had to say it was the most secure election ever without even having a basis for saying so.
The key, is that the system has to be truly decentralized… because if is controlled only by one entity, then it will always be at risk to potential bad actors…
Laymans terms, Blockchain works like this. Think of a chain link. One link is attached to the next which is attached to the next, and so on and so forth. Now assume one link is data, your vote. The chain link (block), your data, has a unique Hash number that is its identification as well as information stored within that block (heavily encrypted). There is also a hash signature appended on to your hash from the block before yours and the one after… making up your unique hash number. Say your black hash is 52…. The block before yours is A2, and the one after yours would be 7B That makes your unique number A2 52 7B If someone would remove your data and place it else where the hash’s wont allign and the system will know there is an issue. Better yet, block chain is also decentralized, meaning it is not on one network or system… and they are always in constant communication with each other. So if someone hacks a server and deletes out data the rest of the systems/servers that have the data automatically recognize something is missing and will auto correct the corrupted/missing data… The only way you can actually successfully hack Blockchain is that you need to hack the majority of the servers simultaneously and delete more than 50% of the data. In doing this majority of the servers would hold the missing data and therefore the overall system would think that is the correct information. If you cannot attack more than 50% of the data simultaneously ,it will always revert back to the correct data. This is how Blockchain is almost un hackable
This is why it will never work.
Those with the most compute power win.
nah search up hedera hashgraph
Thats the thing, random people cant just randomly add what they feel on the block chain… you can add micro imprints within each ballot printed, so when scanned in , the ballot id will match the ID on the block, meaning the ballot isnt fake, and you can verify your data and your vote