One problem I see with ivermectin is the dosing is done by pound, but horses digestive system is much larger relative to it's mass than a human (because they eat grass). I intend to halve the dosage accordingly.
Mike Adam's showed the math. Mg required divided by ivermectin percentage equals mg dose..or something like that. Point being there's a math equation....not just cutting does in half.
Do you have the link for the Mike Adam episode? Anybody? We definitely need to start spreading the information for the correct dosing, otherwise people can get sick/poisoned from incorrect dosing. I’ll try to look it up too and if I figure it out I’ll post it on this thread. Thanks pedes.
They notch the syringe with 50 pound increments and have a stopper you set to make sure the plunger stops at the intended dose. If you can count by 50's the rest of what you need to figure out the dose is on the actual syringe. It was super easy. I had thought it more complicated until i actually had the syringe.
It’s not just body weight, either. Horses have completely different metabolisms because they digest different types of food and are designed to burn way more energy than a human. And the delivery system (the paste itself) has stuff in it that’s great for horses, and was never tested for humans.
Not to mention that it can react dangerously with common medications like blood thinners.
The active ingredient is the same for humans and horses, but it’s way more complicated to figure out the balance between safe and effective than some basic math on the back of a napkin. There is a reason that pharmacists have years of graduate-level chemistry education in order to figure this stuff out.
Nobody is saying they prefer to take horse ivermectin over people ivermectin. The problem is all these assholes with years of graduate level education dont give a fuck about actually helping people and will thus not prescribe the proper treatment. Regular folks then have no choice but to do what they feel they must. Also $200 for Dr. visit and prescription VS $5.00 at tractor supply.
Regardless of the difference in digestive systems. The paste has a certain concentration per lb. Which is 200 mcg per lb. Frontline says if you actively have covid that you need 400 to 600 mcg per kg. So it is a simple math problem to convert it from lb to kg. I am 200 lb and have been taking 500lb worth of past the last 3 days to go in the middle of the recommended dose. I feel 100 times better, my cough is going away which felt like bricks on my chest and couldn't stop deep coughing. If you don't want to waste time with a Skype doc appointment or can't afford the prices it cost me $26 at tractor supply. Which will leave me with excess even at my higher dose.
Are you taking into account the inactive ingredients that are usually found in animal medicine versus human medicine that can react with things (like other medicines) in humans?
That paste itself is designed for horses. It’s designed to interact with their specific body chemistry. They put the medicine in the paste as a delivery mechanism. It’s not just a different way of taking medicine, it has a bunch of stuff in it that was never intended to interact with human biochemistry.
Look, I know I can’t and have no real interest in stopping people from taking horse medicine. It’s a free country. I just don’t think a lot of people here understand biochemistry well enough to even know all the things they need to be accounting for. You don’t know what you don’t know, and the only difference between a medicine and a poison is expertise.
I don’t like the idea of online prescriptions, but at least meds from Frontline are designed for humans and sent by doctors who (I hope) are asking about other meds you’re taking and considering the numerous factors that go into determining a safe dosage.
The ability to do these types of calculations confidently goes way beyond college chemistry, and I say that as someone with a healthy background in college chemistry. I would not trust myself to figure out the safe conversion of horse meds into human meds, because the stuff in horse meds isn’t tested in humans and I have no data to account for those factors whatsoever. I don’t like making up numbers for calculations of things I’m putting into my body.
You are right as far as inactive ingredients go and not being able to account for them. It is still absolutely a risk. For me it was one I was willing take take. I will update how I feel as the week and weeks progress with potential side effects
You can avoid the horse paste if you'd like. It's a free country. Quercetin & zinc also work too and thats what we use. There is so many ways to beat this now that the FDA is probably up into the wee hours of the morning trying to keep up with all of this. I say that alone is a good thing. But yea, seeing the inactive ingredients say "hydrogenated castor bean oil" made me not take it and I handed it to the lady down the road who owns horses.
No, it really is that fucking simple. Horse paste isn’t magical or indigestible. The injectable formulation can be used orally, just like medications for humans sometimes are. This is mostly about palatability.
Just don’t be an idiot and drink an entire bottle or eat the entire tube.
I mean, if you’re going to go at this on your own, taking the version of the medication that was actually designed for human digestive systems is much safer.
One problem I see with ivermectin is the dosing is done by pound, but horses digestive system is much larger relative to it's mass than a human (because they eat grass). I intend to halve the dosage accordingly.
One notch on the dispenser per 50 pounds of body weight.
Mike Adam's showed the math. Mg required divided by ivermectin percentage equals mg dose..or something like that. Point being there's a math equation....not just cutting does in half.
Do you have the link for the Mike Adam episode? Anybody? We definitely need to start spreading the information for the correct dosing, otherwise people can get sick/poisoned from incorrect dosing. I’ll try to look it up too and if I figure it out I’ll post it on this thread. Thanks pedes.
They notch the syringe with 50 pound increments and have a stopper you set to make sure the plunger stops at the intended dose. If you can count by 50's the rest of what you need to figure out the dose is on the actual syringe. It was super easy. I had thought it more complicated until i actually had the syringe.
I misplaced it. But it was a June 2021 episode.
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It’s not just body weight, either. Horses have completely different metabolisms because they digest different types of food and are designed to burn way more energy than a human. And the delivery system (the paste itself) has stuff in it that’s great for horses, and was never tested for humans.
Not to mention that it can react dangerously with common medications like blood thinners.
The active ingredient is the same for humans and horses, but it’s way more complicated to figure out the balance between safe and effective than some basic math on the back of a napkin. There is a reason that pharmacists have years of graduate-level chemistry education in order to figure this stuff out.
Nobody is saying they prefer to take horse ivermectin over people ivermectin. The problem is all these assholes with years of graduate level education dont give a fuck about actually helping people and will thus not prescribe the proper treatment. Regular folks then have no choice but to do what they feel they must. Also $200 for Dr. visit and prescription VS $5.00 at tractor supply.
We didn’t create 🤡 🌎
We’re just living in it.
I stay away from ALL doctors. If I should ever really need one, I might see one.
Yes. Close to $300 vs $8.50
Regardless of the difference in digestive systems. The paste has a certain concentration per lb. Which is 200 mcg per lb. Frontline says if you actively have covid that you need 400 to 600 mcg per kg. So it is a simple math problem to convert it from lb to kg. I am 200 lb and have been taking 500lb worth of past the last 3 days to go in the middle of the recommended dose. I feel 100 times better, my cough is going away which felt like bricks on my chest and couldn't stop deep coughing. If you don't want to waste time with a Skype doc appointment or can't afford the prices it cost me $26 at tractor supply. Which will leave me with excess even at my higher dose.
You sound historical <gdar>
Are you taking into account the inactive ingredients that are usually found in animal medicine versus human medicine that can react with things (like other medicines) in humans?
That paste itself is designed for horses. It’s designed to interact with their specific body chemistry. They put the medicine in the paste as a delivery mechanism. It’s not just a different way of taking medicine, it has a bunch of stuff in it that was never intended to interact with human biochemistry.
Look, I know I can’t and have no real interest in stopping people from taking horse medicine. It’s a free country. I just don’t think a lot of people here understand biochemistry well enough to even know all the things they need to be accounting for. You don’t know what you don’t know, and the only difference between a medicine and a poison is expertise.
I don’t like the idea of online prescriptions, but at least meds from Frontline are designed for humans and sent by doctors who (I hope) are asking about other meds you’re taking and considering the numerous factors that go into determining a safe dosage.
The ability to do these types of calculations confidently goes way beyond college chemistry, and I say that as someone with a healthy background in college chemistry. I would not trust myself to figure out the safe conversion of horse meds into human meds, because the stuff in horse meds isn’t tested in humans and I have no data to account for those factors whatsoever. I don’t like making up numbers for calculations of things I’m putting into my body.
You are right as far as inactive ingredients go and not being able to account for them. It is still absolutely a risk. For me it was one I was willing take take. I will update how I feel as the week and weeks progress with potential side effects
You can avoid the horse paste if you'd like. It's a free country. Quercetin & zinc also work too and thats what we use. There is so many ways to beat this now that the FDA is probably up into the wee hours of the morning trying to keep up with all of this. I say that alone is a good thing. But yea, seeing the inactive ingredients say "hydrogenated castor bean oil" made me not take it and I handed it to the lady down the road who owns horses.
Glad you posted this. I've no idea why your post would be down voted. I thought we were truth seekers here, and want the truth, warts and all.
Which inactive ingredients are you concerned about? Your statements are passionate yet vague on actual concerns.
Weird that you are getting downvoted. You bring up some sound points
No, it really is that fucking simple. Horse paste isn’t magical or indigestible. The injectable formulation can be used orally, just like medications for humans sometimes are. This is mostly about palatability.
Just don’t be an idiot and drink an entire bottle or eat the entire tube.
You can get a prescription for (human) pills from a lot of doctors, including Americasfrontlinedoctors.com.
Mine was around $150 just for 3 days of treatment.
$60 consult and $98 for the pills. I skipped the consultation, but I wish I didn’t because I was hoping for a few months of prophylactics.
Knowing these pills cost pennies each, the markup is astounding.
If horse paste works, I prefer that. I could get years of treatment for the same price.
I mean, if you’re going to go at this on your own, taking the version of the medication that was actually designed for human digestive systems is much safer.
And people already have determined a safe effective dosage. There's a lot of 200 lb. horses out there now.