At one point I walked outside to join others in the backyard and they were whispering about my husband and I being “Trump supporters.” They shut up when they saw me and I said, “Damn, that reminds me. I forgot my MAGA hat!”
My husband’s brother, who is hosting the wedding, got Covid last spring and he told me a half-hour story about his battle with it at the kitchen table last night, as if he were a mythological figure. He almost died, actually. Sick for a month.
And I just looked at him and told him his brother—my husband—got it and was able to go back to work in three days after I scored him Ivermectin. And I swear to God, the whole table had like a thick fog come over their eyes and there was just silence. And the mood was that me and my husband were some kind of crazy renegades.
Don’t you think they would have been thrilled for my husband? That he got well!? That he survived? Or interested in how we did it? No, they’re just willing to die. This family, guys, this family is more brainwashed than any group of people that I’ve come across. It’s almost palpable, it’s almost like I can see the thin veils over their heads. It’s just so fricking sad.
And the thing is, they’re so smug. They think they’re soooo right, and soooo smart and so much more enlightened. It’s just unbelievable. You can’t red-pill these people because whenever truth enters the room, they literally zone out. They become zombies.
I’ve never seen anything like it.
I can’t wait to get the hell out of here.
Quite frankly.
There is no longer any point of trying to red pill people who aren't ready to ask questions.
If they are brain washed. They are being that way to PROTECT their own mindset.
That's a natural defense to human beings.
You cannot defeat this defense. It's there for a reason.
In fact... people will become more interested in hearing what you have to say when you don't argue with them at all.
If they tell you a belief that is clearly stupid. Just look at them, smile and say ok.
That silent treatment is far more powerful then you think.
Higher intelligent people should not speak time arguing with those who are not informed.
I really wasn’t trying to red-pill. I know better with this group. It’s hopeless. But since we were at the table talking about Covid, I wanted to share what happened with my husband.
They could have cared less. They wear their Covid survival stories like a badge.
look into narcissism, its the same thing, talking to a narc and a dem is the same, they wait for you to finish talking so they can ignore what you just said
Just waiting for their turn to talk
So long as they already know at least some of what you believe? When the big stuff goes down they will know who to turn to. Perhaps the only person they can trust to have some clue what the hell is going on. That time WILL come. That's a lot of why I post so much info on FB - so that later on people will remember....and then we can talk. You know, when they aren't stark raving mad media zombies ;-)
There will come a time very soon when they wake up in horror as they face reality. At least they'll know you were speaking truth.
I expect to swallow many "I told you so's" as I patiently answer questions without judgement. Literally everyone in my family knows how I feel but chose to take the jab, and I pray there is a cure. It's horrifying to imagine seeing them perish one by one. I hope there is a cure to this poison.
oh, yes. And if they have a sister in law who works at the hospital, they have an extra star on the badge.
They have a relative who’s complicit in mass murder? Well aren’t they special!
Insufferable.
Right? Like if your cousin is a janitor at a nuclear plant, that make you Neils Bohr
Billy, PLEASE, can we not argue FoR OnCe! BILLY!
That's it, you told them they might not have been that heroic, they were ignorant of what to do.
Keep in mind. That stuff is just talk and feel good stuff. In the big picture of things. It won't mean much.
Thats because the most deepest level of their programming dictates that they want you dead.. it doesnt register cognitively... thats part of its design..
at the core of their brainwashing, they have conditioned out all humanity about US..
The biggest red pill is living with Joy and a lack of Fear - while clearly being knowledgeable.
When people can’t write you off as a moron & see you are free of fear - it sends ripples through their paradigms.
I’ve had more red pill success because while they are sitting around scared pissing themselves - I am out with my family making memories, not getting sick, and spreading Joy.
They hate Joy.
The ones that miss it - it’s like moths to a flame. They come in droves “how are you so confident you won’t get sick?! Can I have me some of that!! Looks gewwwd!”
IMHO you are 100% correct that we passed the point of diminishing returns quite some time ago and no more unwitting cabal sympathizers, no more brainwashed idiots, are going to be brought into the light of sweet reason.
So let's get the show on the road.
They have what is called "cognitive dissonance".
https://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html
IMHO you are 100% correct that we passed the point of diminishing returns quite some time ago and no more unwitting cabal sympathizers, no more brainwashed idiots, are going to be brought into the light of sweet reason.
So let's get the show on the road.
Okay, I found something that has KINDA worked. I mean - they DO often revert back to the dark fog in their minds, but I have gotten a lot of hardcore liberals to listen and believe (for a while) by feigning to be just like them as I excitedly tell them all kinds of truths, with the foundation and starting point always being something they already believe.
Things like election fraud - I start out by sadly recalling the nomination theft Bernie went through TWICE. Most liberals don't like the Hildabeast so I can safely talk about her. I can agree with them about how awful the Rona is and how scary....and then excitedly tell them how hard it was to get HCQ but how doctor friends at a huge nearby hospital were themselves shocked at its efficacy! And so on....
Find the point of agreement and you're in. Example: we all agree that there is a problem with the scandalously huge costs of medical industry that surpass even the problem with insurance affordability. We all agree that fraud was involved in poor Bernie's presidential failures. We agree that politicians are largely corrupt. We agree that massive multi-national corporations are NOT run by terrific people. And so on.
Although it may "Out You" You should do an annotated photo-post Side by side photos of hubby and brother Ivermectin, 3 days..etc Frauci approach, 1 month...etc
I think I tried to say too much to the wrong doctor the other day and found myself in a similar situation. The heart longs to communicate and help but all the more so these days we need to be cautious. God bless you for soaking Truth in darkness.
““Everyone take heed to his neighbor, And do not trust any brother; For every brother will utterly supplant, And every neighbor will walk with slanderers. Everyone will deceive his neighbor, And will not speak the truth; They have taught their tongue to speak lies; They weary themselves to commit iniquity. Your dwelling place is in the midst of deceit; Through deceit they refuse to know Me,” says the Lord. Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts: “Behold, I will refine them and try them; For how shall I deal with the daughter of My people? Their tongue is an arrow shot out; It speaks deceit; One speaks peaceably to his neighbor with his mouth, But in his heart he lies in wait. Shall I not punish them for these things?” says the Lord. “Shall I not avenge Myself on such a nation as this?”” Jeremiah 9:4-9 NKJV
“Even your brothers, members of your own family, have turned against you. They plot and raise complaints against you. Do not trust them, no matter how pleasantly they speak.” Jeremiah 12:6 NLT
The most tenderhearted man among you will have no compassion for his own brother, his beloved wife, and his surviving children.” Deuteronomy 28:54 NLT
https://greatawakening.win/p/12jwR1T2co/what-is-going-on/c/
Sorry you and your husband are enduring this madness. It's difficult enough from strangers but very painful from family. The very people who are supposed to love and care for our wellbeing. 💔
We dealing with this from 3 of our 4 children. So frustrating that only one is a logical thinker. I can assure you they weren't raised to be libtards but it seems they are, at least for the time being.
Stay frosty u/AtomicBlonde! Btw-love your name...you sound like a great broad and I consider that a supreme compliment!
Someday all those family and friends who've doubted us will be coming to us for explanations.
I know the type and have come across the type and am related to the type. I tried to share the same thing about my husband and myself taking HCQ (him) and ivermectin (me) and both of us recovering along with 15 others at hubby's work but I was considered rude and/or a liar. There are those that are just now waking up and I welcome those people and will be here to help them, but there are those that are just too far gone and who have cement coating their brains. I don't get it either.
I have a reply below with some added flavor for this, but you're getting great advice here. You did great to drop that truth bomb, and the best thing you can do now is to step away, hold steady to the truth, and wait for them to seek the truth directly. They know you're a source of it, so chances are they'll come to you.
Covid psychosis is a real thing and most liberals and some boomer conservatives have it.
Sadly, I've had to adopt this strategy as well. My father began talking about getting a booster shot, and my brother and his family are all jabbed (wife and daughter are medical), so I took it upon myself to try to educate them about what the INDEPENDENT medical community is saying, with links and references. My brother is a retired Lieutenant Commander from NAVAL INTELLIGENCE no less (retired about 20 years ago, but he thinks he still knows everything about everything), and both he and my father basically ridiculed me and told me to stop.
I'm reminded by the parable of the donkey and tiger...
Yeah I don't really try to argue with family or friends about COVID. To each their own.
Because the real argument is simple.
Do we force people to take it or not.
If you are talking to family members about it. And they ask you.
For me..
I will tell my family and friends. If you FORCE it on everyone.
Then the BLOODSHED from it will be on you.
Most people understand those words.
No. These fuckers will try and send us to camps. They are going along with mandated injection papers. They will go along with worse.
Yep.
This is why I said to tell them. The bloodshed is on them.
They need to at least be aware of that.
Therein lies the worst problem. They want us in the camps, and they don't care who we are; sibling, parent, spouse, aunt, uncle, cousin. Along with all the other dark shit in my head, this is among the worst.
We unfortunately need to be prepared to walk away from every single person that wants us forcefully vaxx'd/dead. It can't matter if it's whomever you're married to, the people that created you, or the people that you created. You can't do shit if you're locked up or dead.
https://betterandfree.co/the-story-of-donkey-and-tiger/
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Thank you u/Iknowstuff for posting the story. I wasn't familiar with it but tell my husband this all the time. Love the illustration!
I also retired from the Navy 20 years ago, and what's more, from the Intelligence Community 4 years ago from my post-Navy career, and I can tell you rn that I dont know shit about what they have been doing since then - technology and collection priorities change that fast. Your Bro wants to stay in the loop, but he cannot (need to know, no more security clearance, no more access to programs).
I'm preparing myself for a possible inevitable confrontation with my brother, and what you said was actually part of my argument...in my head. He was so heavily indoctrinated with assumptions and beliefs about "who the good guys are" and "who the bad guys are," and questioning sources to the point he believes nothing...that the fact he has been out of the loop for so long isn't evidence enough for him that what he THOUGHT he once knew, no longer has relevance, and since he has no current sources, he might as well as be living under a rock.
I used to really look up to my older brother, but I've come to realize he is a prisoner of his own ego, and nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is. I hate saying that...
Thanks. I never heard the parable so I looked it up. I’ll remember it now!
parable
That's where I'm at too. My sister is based, and my girlfriend is well on her way (thank God), but my parents are still in lalaland with regards to the vaccine.
This. Arguing is a waste of energy. Acknowledging their mindset, and just accepting it for what it is is the key. The real red pills need to come from a higher power when the time is right.
It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been lied to.
I agree, leaning towards making sure they know where I stand but wait until they ask questions. They now need to take the first step.
Doesn't Q say that some flat out say they can't be saved?
This is how I do it especially when singled out. No comments whatsoever just let them all worry about the sky falling and how the medical-industrial complex will save them
It's not a guarantee, but the best way to approach people like this is to only ask them questions. Let them do the talking. Frame the questions in such a way that it backs them into a corner, and makes them think.
There's a few people on Youtube I watch who do "Street Epistemology" (check out Anthony Magnabosco and Cordial Curiosity), where they stop strangers on the street and probe them about something they believe in. It could be aliens, ghosts, religious beliefs, political beliefs, anything.
All they do is ask questions, and let the interviewee do all the talking. There's no debates, no disagreements, only questions. I've seen people walk away from these conversations completely enlightened. If you ask the right questions, it makes people think for themselves.
Arguing and debating Does. Not. Work.
Cordial Curiosity always starts his conversations off with "one a scale from 1 to 10, what is your confidence level that <topic of discussion> is true?" .. and at the end of the conversation, he ends it with "where would you say your confidence level is now?" More often than not, the confidence level is far lower after the person was asked tough questions.
I could see this translated into something like "on a scale of 1 to 10, how strongly do you believe what what the public is being told about this virus is accurate and true?" .. followed by some tough questions about some of the big inconsistencies in the reporting and guidance.
What if it's your DOCTOR who is woefully uninformed? How can anyone deal with that?
I would find a new doctor.
I simply won't go near him. Tele-health appointments only
Excellent point.
That's exactly how the Bible says to deal with those who are misled by something like this. Give them space and let the Spirit stir their hearts. (2 Thessalonians quoted below, and in 1 Corinthians it says to not participate in any idol worship or their sacrifices).
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A7-12&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+3%3A14-15&version=NIV
Warn, step back, wait. They'll come to you for the truth when they're ready. Also encouraging all to read the context (and the Word).
Tell the truth plainly and calmly, then stop.
You have done the best you can do at that point.
If they want to dispute, be ready with easy facts they don't know.
I have had family members tell me that maybe what I'm telling them is true, but if it is they DON'T WANT TO KNOW.
You're not going to take away their security blanket of willful ignorance without their permission. They work at staying that way. Truth is far too dangerous.
I've been at this Truth business for many years before Trump even came along.
You did the best you can do. Just leave it there or the frustration will completely wear you out.