Oh and this is not an invitation to shills. This is simply voicing frustration to one of Trump's blind spots. He has made statements many of us didn't agree with in the past, but he usually backed off them once he heard our voices.
This isn't just a blind spot. His pushing of the vaccines is more akin to having a nuclear bomb go off in the distance and acting like everything is fine.
Vaccine choice, mandates and the fact that there's serious questions about whether it's a genocide plot, are literally the biggest issues in the country right now, but instead of engaging any of that, he's running around endorsing politicians.
I was a wholehearted Trump supporter for years, but my trust in him is waning significantly over this issue.
Vaccine choice, mandates and the fact that there's serious questions about whether it's a genocide plot, are literally the biggest issues in the country right now.
When trump says take the vaccine, it causes literally millions of leftist retards to stop and then be open to the idea that there is something bad in the vaccine at all. Without that entryway none of them would even tolerate the question being on the table.
It also causes lots of good, patriotic and well meaning Americans who don't have time to spend here all day and read up on vaccine injuries/deaths to say "Well, Trump took it and said to get it, so I guess we should get it too dear. Also, lets inject our kids as soon as we can..."
It's unconscionable.
There's literally no way to defend this aspect of his post-presidency.
My best argument is that Trump is taking essentially a neutral stance here by conforming with the “status quo”. This takes him out of the equation, debate-wise, and forces both us and our opponents to argue this issue differently. At this point, if Trump came out against the injections, it might satisfy us for a day or two, but would it actually help? Be honest too. I think it would radicalize the left even further and force them into a rigid pro-injection stance. And what would it do for our side? Less or more than that?
I also think this is one of those things where Trump feels he has to play along with the official television narrative that “all vaccines and pharmaceuticals in general are safe and effective - even the ones we were forced to recall”. I look at this similarly to his comments on 9/11, where he continues to pretend to believe in the official television narrative there too. I think it’s one of those things where it would be very difficult for a President to validate the conspiracy theory even if they believe or know the conspiracy theory is true just because their word carries so much authority. I also don’t think Presidents question the JFK assassination or Titanic or Sandy Hook either. I almost think this might relate to declassification, where Presidents are not allowed to discuss this stuff because of their official position.
Basically I think Trump is playing dumb on vaccines, as well as other things. He does this with things like Spygate too, where he pretends like he only knows as much as we do until it’s reported in the press. He even does this with Q, pretending he is just hearing about it when reporters ask him.
Trump knows that many feel as you do. There is a reason for his approach to this issue. Instead of handing the Cabal this victory, you should ponder the reasons for this approach. He didn't just do all the great things we know he's done only to lead us to our deaths by vaccines. He knows as much as we do, and probably more, about them. Start with the question: are the vaccines REALLY all that bad? Not risk free, definitely should never be mandated or coerced, not better than natural immunity, and not better than just getting covid for most, but maybe not the "kill shot" that many believe it is? Remember, death is a possible side effect of Advil too.
Sorry but this is terrible. Please don't let your love for Trump blind you to what's going on with the vaccine. Yes, it's a kill shot - more people have died in 1 year from the covid vaccines than all other vaccines in the last 10 years combined. If this was any other vaccine it would have been pulled after a month's worth of deaths.
I prefer to believe that given an equal opportunity to speak and be heard, that i would actually convince Trump the vaccine is neither safe, effective, or necessary
This is not a blind spot. Trump knows as much or more about the vaccines than we do. So what you need to ask is do you believe Trump would deliberately encourage us to take or do something that is detrimental to our well being.
It appears he doesn't know more about the jab than we do. I look at data, statistics and science. The jab is unnecessary for most of the population. It may or may not be beneficial for high risk. It is not an immunity vaccine.
so are you pro jab now? did you take the shot? I will die before I take it.
It is definitely not working as advertised. I think the virus is beating it. I don't know why he's encouraging it, but Trump has earned enough credibility with me that I don't think he would encourage people to get something he would know to be detrimental. He was part of the team that fought covid with far better success than Biden and company, so I assume he knows alot about it.
You honestly think that a billionaire former (or current?) President of the US doesn't have access to Intel as good or better than anons on a messaging board?
This logic is exactly backwards. "Don't evaluate what you heard - ask yourself if he would say something like that, and if you decide he wouldn't then you didn't hear it."
He said it. He encourages people to take it. It IS dangerous, almost a million adverse events reported to VAERS. More deaths than all vaccines in history combined. It doesn't square. We have to accept it. Question everything. Ask questions.
A valid argument. However, we can't end our analysis there. We know this action would be totally incongruent with who Trump appears to be in every other aspect. I don't subscribe to the "acting for the DS for controlled opposition" theory for the simple reason that no one would persist through the gauntlet they have put Trump through unless they were sincere and devoted to the cause that they appear to support. Acting can only go so far. So these warrant further study before writing Trump off.
I don't think he would. Trump has earned that level of credibility. I think the goal of those trying to force the vax is not to get everyone vaccinated, but to get everyone on the vaccine passports, as well as set up the infrastructure for future delivery of future nanotech and bioweaponry that would be bad for us. Encouragement of voluntary reciept of a vaccine does not further these evil goals.
I think he's earn the credibility for us not to assume he wants us to take something that is bad for us. So we must ask why is he encouraging this and explore all possible answers.
Man, if only he had you in his cabinet, the world would be saved because clearly you know better from your armchair than he does from the Resolute Desk!
yes I get it, you don't like anyone critical of Trump. I have been a Trump supporter for a long time now, way earlier than most. I am critical of him on this issue as I should be. I am not a blind follower, apparently you are.
Where did I say that i dislike people critical of Trump or make it appear that I am a 'blind follower'?
You pontificate as if you know what is best, I was merely stating that by your logic a great disservice was foisted upon the world by Trump for not recognizing your greatness & not calling for your coronation ceremony the day of his inauguration.
Oh and this is not an invitation to shills. This is simply voicing frustration to one of Trump's blind spots. He has made statements many of us didn't agree with in the past, but he usually backed off them once he heard our voices.
This isn't just a blind spot. His pushing of the vaccines is more akin to having a nuclear bomb go off in the distance and acting like everything is fine.
Vaccine choice, mandates and the fact that there's serious questions about whether it's a genocide plot, are literally the biggest issues in the country right now, but instead of engaging any of that, he's running around endorsing politicians.
I was a wholehearted Trump supporter for years, but my trust in him is waning significantly over this issue.
When trump says take the vaccine, it causes literally millions of leftist retards to stop and then be open to the idea that there is something bad in the vaccine at all. Without that entryway none of them would even tolerate the question being on the table.
It also causes lots of good, patriotic and well meaning Americans who don't have time to spend here all day and read up on vaccine injuries/deaths to say "Well, Trump took it and said to get it, so I guess we should get it too dear. Also, lets inject our kids as soon as we can..."
It's unconscionable.
There's literally no way to defend this aspect of his post-presidency.
My best argument is that Trump is taking essentially a neutral stance here by conforming with the “status quo”. This takes him out of the equation, debate-wise, and forces both us and our opponents to argue this issue differently. At this point, if Trump came out against the injections, it might satisfy us for a day or two, but would it actually help? Be honest too. I think it would radicalize the left even further and force them into a rigid pro-injection stance. And what would it do for our side? Less or more than that?
I also think this is one of those things where Trump feels he has to play along with the official television narrative that “all vaccines and pharmaceuticals in general are safe and effective - even the ones we were forced to recall”. I look at this similarly to his comments on 9/11, where he continues to pretend to believe in the official television narrative there too. I think it’s one of those things where it would be very difficult for a President to validate the conspiracy theory even if they believe or know the conspiracy theory is true just because their word carries so much authority. I also don’t think Presidents question the JFK assassination or Titanic or Sandy Hook either. I almost think this might relate to declassification, where Presidents are not allowed to discuss this stuff because of their official position.
Basically I think Trump is playing dumb on vaccines, as well as other things. He does this with things like Spygate too, where he pretends like he only knows as much as we do until it’s reported in the press. He even does this with Q, pretending he is just hearing about it when reporters ask him.
Well, that is them being just as dumb as the covidian fascists...
Yes, they are all on board. Before the election they tried to attack him on this but as soon as they won it's been full speed ahead.
Trump knows that many feel as you do. There is a reason for his approach to this issue. Instead of handing the Cabal this victory, you should ponder the reasons for this approach. He didn't just do all the great things we know he's done only to lead us to our deaths by vaccines. He knows as much as we do, and probably more, about them. Start with the question: are the vaccines REALLY all that bad? Not risk free, definitely should never be mandated or coerced, not better than natural immunity, and not better than just getting covid for most, but maybe not the "kill shot" that many believe it is? Remember, death is a possible side effect of Advil too.
This shot is killing a hell of a lot more people than Advil ever has, in 1/100th the time.
Sorry but this is terrible. Please don't let your love for Trump blind you to what's going on with the vaccine. Yes, it's a kill shot - more people have died in 1 year from the covid vaccines than all other vaccines in the last 10 years combined. If this was any other vaccine it would have been pulled after a month's worth of deaths.
I prefer to believe that given an equal opportunity to speak and be heard, that i would actually convince Trump the vaccine is neither safe, effective, or necessary
I agree with this, but shouldn't he already know and agree with us on this?
Yes, he should. This is the really disturbing part.
And his reply would be that, that exactly is part of the plan.
This is not a blind spot. Trump knows as much or more about the vaccines than we do. So what you need to ask is do you believe Trump would deliberately encourage us to take or do something that is detrimental to our well being.
It appears he doesn't know more about the jab than we do. I look at data, statistics and science. The jab is unnecessary for most of the population. It may or may not be beneficial for high risk. It is not an immunity vaccine.
so are you pro jab now? did you take the shot? I will die before I take it.
It is definitely not working as advertised. I think the virus is beating it. I don't know why he's encouraging it, but Trump has earned enough credibility with me that I don't think he would encourage people to get something he would know to be detrimental. He was part of the team that fought covid with far better success than Biden and company, so I assume he knows alot about it.
You honestly think that a billionaire former (or current?) President of the US doesn't have access to Intel as good or better than anons on a messaging board?
'So you are pro jab now?'
Effing toxic as comments
what are you saying? Other than anger directed at me I see now point or purpose in your posts on this subject.
This logic is exactly backwards. "Don't evaluate what you heard - ask yourself if he would say something like that, and if you decide he wouldn't then you didn't hear it."
He said it. He encourages people to take it. It IS dangerous, almost a million adverse events reported to VAERS. More deaths than all vaccines in history combined. It doesn't square. We have to accept it. Question everything. Ask questions.
A valid argument. However, we can't end our analysis there. We know this action would be totally incongruent with who Trump appears to be in every other aspect. I don't subscribe to the "acting for the DS for controlled opposition" theory for the simple reason that no one would persist through the gauntlet they have put Trump through unless they were sincere and devoted to the cause that they appear to support. Acting can only go so far. So these warrant further study before writing Trump off.
I don't think he would. Trump has earned that level of credibility. I think the goal of those trying to force the vax is not to get everyone vaccinated, but to get everyone on the vaccine passports, as well as set up the infrastructure for future delivery of future nanotech and bioweaponry that would be bad for us. Encouragement of voluntary reciept of a vaccine does not further these evil goals.
I think he's earn the credibility for us not to assume he wants us to take something that is bad for us. So we must ask why is he encouraging this and explore all possible answers.
'One of Trump's blind spots'
Man, if only he had you in his cabinet, the world would be saved because clearly you know better from your armchair than he does from the Resolute Desk!
yes I get it, you don't like anyone critical of Trump. I have been a Trump supporter for a long time now, way earlier than most. I am critical of him on this issue as I should be. I am not a blind follower, apparently you are.
Where did I say that i dislike people critical of Trump or make it appear that I am a 'blind follower'?
You pontificate as if you know what is best, I was merely stating that by your logic a great disservice was foisted upon the world by Trump for not recognizing your greatness & not calling for your coronation ceremony the day of his inauguration.
Thanks for confirming my suspicion about you.