I don't know about the laws but the UP is pretty empty. I think you can get cheap land but it isn't necessarily good soil. You could disappear up there if you wanted. It's probably already snowed some places.
Personally I don't see anything wrong with East Tennessee, one of the best places in the country to live in my opinion, and from what I can tell in researching where people are moving, most people moving to Tennessee are moving to the urban centers and suburbs, thereby cucking what little "liberal strong holds" exist in the state. Looking at the state, most people moving to Tennessee are overwhelmingly conservative (90-95%) and moving to the big 4 cities (Nashville, Memphis, Knoxville, and Chattanooga) from crapholes in midwest and northeast (Chicago, Philly, Boston, Newark, etc.). They're basically just urban conservatives who got tired of living in liberal hell but don't wanna give up city life so they moved to large cities in conservative states. Same thing is happening in Texas, Florida, Idaho, Montana, North and South Carolina, etc. etc.
If you're dead set on moving to a different state though, the only one three I can think of that fit your criteria are Ohio, Montana, and Wyoming. Not really sure what kind of trees are in Ohio, but it pretty much matches the rest. Not the best gun laws, but pretty decent, snow is all but guaranteed to be a constant in the winter thanks to the great lakes, summers are pretty mild for the same reason, land is cheap outside of the urban metros, etc.
Montana is basically a larger Idaho for all intents and purposes, so that should tell you what it's like.
Wyoming would probably be the best to fit your criteria. Cheap land so long as you're not looking to buy a farm or several 1000 acres, lowest population of any state in the union, no income tax, decent amount of lakes, depending on where you are in the state, LOTS of spruce trees, Rocky Mountains in the Western and middle part of the state. Summers are decently mild, the occasional chill from wind and high elevation, and White Christmases are all but guaranteed. Some of the best gun laws in the country, and it's a haven for preppers and off grid types, especially in the mountains.
No problem, I've got family up there, and it's not exactly the best or worst state. Kind of that weird middle ground where very little actually happens because everything is so mild. The weather is probably the biggest thing, the great lake effect screws with the weather so much that, depending on the time of year, you can go from sunny and in the 70s-80s to below freezing and in the middle of a bilzzard in the same day in the winter. The summer is pretty mild though since the great lakes give off a "coastal breeze" effect that make it feel pretty mild regardless of temperature.
Also, you can broadcast insults across the water at Trudeau, so that's also a plus.
None of the above. You should add mosquitoes to the list. In Wisconsin and Minnesota, people from the metros of Minneapolis, Milwaukee, and Chicago factor in with their influence.
On Fridays, there are millions of people getting off from work and rushing to their cabins up north.
There's plenty of skeeters here in Tennessee as well. I would also check out Montana, New Hampshire, and Maine but I'd rather deal with Chicagoians than Scunts or Californians (maybe I'm a little biased here since my grandpa is from Chicago and he's the best guy I know).
Montana purportedly past a law saying no vaccine mandates. Maine is unfortunately 'owned' by Boston. I know this will piss some people off, but people hate 'outsiders' there, but love their money. Who wins in a situation like that? if you've ever been to Bangor like I have, you'll see the reason why.
I'm sure you're grandpa is a great guy. I'm not saying their bad. There is however a reason why Illinois people all loved 'Old Style' Beer. That's because as the commercial once said, "It's made in God's country". Wisconsin is the place they go to shoot deer. Wisconsinites hate Chicagoans, but love the money they spend.
Check out Northeast Nebraska or South Dakota instead.
You may be pleasantly surprised.
Good lakes, great fishing, guaranteed White Christmas every year.
From northern MN. Love it here but its tiring living in a blue state. Although I probably will remain here unless things go from bad to worse in the future. I agree, love having a white Christmas!
Were you here for the white Christmas in July ... bout 20 years back? Woke up in middle of July to a fully white ground and enough snow to make snowballs but not enough for snowmen. August still remains the one month I haven't seen the ground covered in snow ... so far.
No state is perfect, and some are better than others for sure, but I am going to fight the bullshit instead of taking flight....the old saying of nowhere to run to comes to mind....ya know? Beat the darkness out of your light!!!
I don't know about the laws but the UP is pretty empty. I think you can get cheap land but it isn't necessarily good soil. You could disappear up there if you wanted. It's probably already snowed some places.
SD, WY, NE would all be better options.
MN has been historically very liberal. It's starting to change, although until the cheating is dealt with, you'll never see the fruits of that.
The cities are liberal shit holes. Country side (Greater MN) is red.
Personally I don't see anything wrong with East Tennessee, one of the best places in the country to live in my opinion, and from what I can tell in researching where people are moving, most people moving to Tennessee are moving to the urban centers and suburbs, thereby cucking what little "liberal strong holds" exist in the state. Looking at the state, most people moving to Tennessee are overwhelmingly conservative (90-95%) and moving to the big 4 cities (Nashville, Memphis, Knoxville, and Chattanooga) from crapholes in midwest and northeast (Chicago, Philly, Boston, Newark, etc.). They're basically just urban conservatives who got tired of living in liberal hell but don't wanna give up city life so they moved to large cities in conservative states. Same thing is happening in Texas, Florida, Idaho, Montana, North and South Carolina, etc. etc.
If you're dead set on moving to a different state though, the only one three I can think of that fit your criteria are Ohio, Montana, and Wyoming. Not really sure what kind of trees are in Ohio, but it pretty much matches the rest. Not the best gun laws, but pretty decent, snow is all but guaranteed to be a constant in the winter thanks to the great lakes, summers are pretty mild for the same reason, land is cheap outside of the urban metros, etc.
Montana is basically a larger Idaho for all intents and purposes, so that should tell you what it's like.
Wyoming would probably be the best to fit your criteria. Cheap land so long as you're not looking to buy a farm or several 1000 acres, lowest population of any state in the union, no income tax, decent amount of lakes, depending on where you are in the state, LOTS of spruce trees, Rocky Mountains in the Western and middle part of the state. Summers are decently mild, the occasional chill from wind and high elevation, and White Christmases are all but guaranteed. Some of the best gun laws in the country, and it's a haven for preppers and off grid types, especially in the mountains.
Thanks for the input. I'll most likely head to Ohio as it's closest to family and land is cheaper.
No problem, I've got family up there, and it's not exactly the best or worst state. Kind of that weird middle ground where very little actually happens because everything is so mild. The weather is probably the biggest thing, the great lake effect screws with the weather so much that, depending on the time of year, you can go from sunny and in the 70s-80s to below freezing and in the middle of a bilzzard in the same day in the winter. The summer is pretty mild though since the great lakes give off a "coastal breeze" effect that make it feel pretty mild regardless of temperature.
Also, you can broadcast insults across the water at Trudeau, so that's also a plus.
Yep if you want to know more about Wyoming let me know.
None of the above. You should add mosquitoes to the list. In Wisconsin and Minnesota, people from the metros of Minneapolis, Milwaukee, and Chicago factor in with their influence.
On Fridays, there are millions of people getting off from work and rushing to their cabins up north.
There's plenty of skeeters here in Tennessee as well. I would also check out Montana, New Hampshire, and Maine but I'd rather deal with Chicagoians than Scunts or Californians (maybe I'm a little biased here since my grandpa is from Chicago and he's the best guy I know).
Any places you would recommend?
Montana purportedly past a law saying no vaccine mandates. Maine is unfortunately 'owned' by Boston. I know this will piss some people off, but people hate 'outsiders' there, but love their money. Who wins in a situation like that? if you've ever been to Bangor like I have, you'll see the reason why.
I'm sure you're grandpa is a great guy. I'm not saying their bad. There is however a reason why Illinois people all loved 'Old Style' Beer. That's because as the commercial once said, "It's made in God's country". Wisconsin is the place they go to shoot deer. Wisconsinites hate Chicagoans, but love the money they spend.
I am from Minnesota. Don’t go. It has been circling the drain for years. Now very liberal and expensive.
Check out Northeast Nebraska or South Dakota instead.
You may be pleasantly surprised.
Good lakes, great fishing, guaranteed White Christmas every year.
MUCH better than Minnesota.
Can confirm the cities are a hellhole. Northern Minnesota is based and still have trump signs everywhere.
From northern MN. Love it here but its tiring living in a blue state. Although I probably will remain here unless things go from bad to worse in the future. I agree, love having a white Christmas!
Perhaps I will just go to Wisconsin instead.
South Dakota or Idaho as far as loose regulations for everything
Were you here for the white Christmas in July ... bout 20 years back? Woke up in middle of July to a fully white ground and enough snow to make snowballs but not enough for snowmen. August still remains the one month I haven't seen the ground covered in snow ... so far.
No state is perfect, and some are better than others for sure, but I am going to fight the bullshit instead of taking flight....the old saying of nowhere to run to comes to mind....ya know? Beat the darkness out of your light!!!
If you're happy living in a woke state, go for it.
TURN THAT SHIT RED!!!
My vote is for the UP. Lots of land...people generally mind their own business and most would give you the shirt off their back if you were in need.
If you want to go a couple days without seeing another human being, you can do that with ease.
Oh and covers all of your criteria
You forgot to add "must have occasional -30F temperatures and 8 weeks nonstop below freezing". 😆
Edit to say: but the summers are beautiful "up north"
I would rather deal with extreme cold than extreme heat.