You missed option #3: Trump knows fully well that these vaccines are harmful, but can see far in advance of the consequences of condemning the vaccines and having the anti vax stance being weaponized by the mainstream media while half the country is still brainwashed. And so Trump made the best long term choice that we won't understand until the time comes
This is a type of strawman argument because it ignores the option to say NOTHING. If he did not recommend one way or the other, he would not be seen as anti vax. However he recommended to his rally goers at EVERY RALLY to take the clot shot.
You really think a reality exists in which Trump would have been able to completely avoid giving a stance on the vaccines this entire time?
By straight up ignoring the issue, or deflecting the question, even when asked directly, would cause a reaction as well.
Think back to when Trump was repeatedly badgered by the media who claimed he refused to denounce the White supremacists in Charlottesville.
The whole "very fine people" hoax that was generated out of sheer spite for Trump, solely because the opportunity to do so was there.
If Trump didn't publicly show support for the vaccines, such another opportunity to weaponize his not taking a clear definitive stance would manifest.
Whatever the case, either A) Trump made a calculated decision based on knowledge we are not privy to and understands game theory very well. Or B) Trump is controlled opposition and has been secretly in league with the cabal players this whole time and was only feigning to be their opposition.
Those are the only two options I really see available.
Be careful, I like Trump, but don't think for a second that the whole thing is a well orchestrated plan. In 1814 the Cabal knew thy must control all actors in a crisis, so Trump could be the other side they control. Now, I hope I am wrong, but do not think for a second that possibility is impossible, because it can.
Every. Single. Rally. Everyday basically, he was hammering it to his base. Once a week on a liberal Sunday morning talk show would have been enough. He went above and beyond any sort of perfunctory stance with his rhetoric and his frequency.
Hm. He has option to say nothing but purposely touts virtues of jab to his loyal base, who vehemently oppose him on this before cameras. Pretty obvious to me what that accomplishes. If I'm anti-vax, I most likely feel alone and isolated in my opinion with the media propaganda. Yet I see thousands of ppl protesting the vax at the rallies. Now I don't feel so alone. It encourages doubters to search it out. Also, proves we love Trump yet feel totally free to disagree with him publicly and vehemently.
Dude, have you even fucking HEARD of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY? Do you REALLY take medical advice from fucking money men on a regular basis? I know most "Trump supporters" don't. So, people who support Trump don't always do as he says. Why? He isn't a fucking medical expert. He admitted as much himself many times. He knows how money works, and I'd go to him for FINANCIAL advice, but he is REALLY fucking low on the list of people I'd take medical advice from. If you can't think for yourself, that's a you problem. Which means, sort your shit out or STFU.
You really think a reality exists in which Trump would have been able to completely avoid giving a stance on the vaccines this entire time?
Strawman argument. A really tired one. The problem isn't with him not "completely avoiding" discussion. It's that he pushed it, unprompted, at all of his rallies and on all conservative media. Just read this quote, it's sickening.
"I would recommend it and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly," "It is a great vaccine. It is a safe vaccine and it is something that works," "It works incredibly well. 95%, maybe even more than that...and it is really saving our country and it is saving frankly the world."
The problem there is you’re quoting from Fox News, which is msm and fake news. That’s not evidence he said those things—but it is evidence he never said those things. I bet you won’t find OAN or RSBN with those quotes.
Yes I'm well aware he said that. Which brings us to another point of contention. Does POTUS actually have the awareness we suspect he should? Regarding the fact that an unjustifiable amount of adverse reactions are being produced for vaccines which have demonstrated rapidly decreasing efficacy and thus should be unjustifiable to even have allowed to continue rolling them out.
Either A) he's completely oblivious and hasn't taken any initiative to actually examining the results of this mass vaccination program, or B) he knows very well the damage its causing and is happy to push it because he has been a part of the swamp all along, or C) he is playing the long game here and understands game theory on a level we couldn't begin to contemplate and knows very well that there will be casualties as a consequence of his words.
If he did not recommend one way or the other, he would not be seen as anti vax.
I don't believe that is true. Anything other than coming out in favor would be interpreted as he is really anti-vaxx due to "his movement being anti-vaxxers".
Saying nothing or trying to take the middle ground is basically the same as being anti-vaxx. At least in the hyper polarized MSM. And at least when it comes to Trump, their favorite person to polarize with.
We have reached a point in which Trump knows that anyone who could possibly be convinced to take the vaccine has already done so, and the rest of us are steadfast. No minds are going to change, so he used the opportunity to his advantage. Now everyone from left to right is airing his interview and praising him, which is increasing his publicity to normies.
I think he just used a no-loss situation for a win. No one is going to see that interview and say “Well I better go get vaxxed!”. The lines have already been drawn and boldly. This was a chess move
4 of my friends literally changed their minds BECAUSE OF TRUMP'S RECENT APOLOGY TOUR. Minds Are going to change, and Have, because of his outpour of advocacy.
#1. The vaccines don't fucking work. The data is right there in front of us. He knows the data.
#2. They are forcing it on people. People have lost lives, their livelihoods, their loved ones from this vaccine.
#3. Highly renown doctors and scientist have come out against this gene therapy. One within Trump's cabinet.
The whole chess thing is a non-argument. We are under attack and the vaccines are a part of this attack. I'm not trying to be a doomer, as I have hope that we will come through this BS. But I am skeptical and question everything.
The fact is that Trump says we have a choice, but he also knows how much his voice has weight with the silent majority.
Unless this is a sacrifice from him when the time comes and people need to be prosecuted, I see no other political argument. The lefties that hate Trump will never not hate him. There is no upside to him doing this. He is losing his base by doing this.
When he runs again, he will not lose. So the whole argument where he needs to gain supporters is BS. He has it in the bag and we all know it. If anything, this is a terrible political decision. Bad actor or not, I believe that he has a really strong personality. Those with the type of personality have faults, and this may be the reason. He said it himself, he will not back down from the "miracle" the vaccines were. This is a personality thing. I don't believe he is a black hat. But doing this, he will look back and realize it was the most disastrous decision he has ever made.
He will regret this the most out of all of his regrets.
"I would recommend it and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly," "It is a great vaccine. It is a safe vaccine and it is something that works," "It works incredibly well. 95%, maybe even more than that...and it is really saving our country and it is saving frankly the world."
Fine, not nothing. But not "I highly recommend it". How bout "do your research, take it if you want, don't take it if you don't want. I'm not licensed to give medical advice"
What does promoting the shots and your rights at the same time do (which is exactly what he does, always in the same breath)? It takes all the wind out of the sails of the vaxxwashed, while at the same time putting the focus where it belongs, on us understanding the violation of our inalienable rights.
People who think that "people dying" from the vaccine is the worst thing that can happen are not paying attention (or are ignorant of) the evidence of what our reality is. We live in The Matrix. We have been programmed to believe that we are not free; that we are not sovereign; that we do not have the capacity to do our own critical thinking. We must go through a deprogramming. How is that accomplished?
Sometimes you can't TELL the public the truth.
YOU MUST SHOW THEM.
ONLY THEN WILL PEOPLE FIND THE WILL TO CHANGE.
Show them. Let them see the blatant violation of their rights. Not just us, who refuse the vaxx, but those that are completely ignorant to the veil that covers their eyes. How many people will really be harmed by him promoting the shot at this point? How many have held out this long, but his booster promotion is going to put people over the edge?
I assert not many. If there are a few, every single one of them is voluntary. If people are still so brainwashed as to assign over their critical thinking to Trump (or anyone else) then they have yet to learn the most important lesson in this war. If they die due to voluntary stupidity, such is the cost of freedom.
Maybe. It also ignores, however, the maasive harm being done by them.
This is the war to end all wars. People are going to die. In this case, each of these deaths is voluntary (or at least the vast majority).
This is about harming kids.
Wrong.
This is about the Great Awakening. You feel empathy for these children. I do too. I see The Matrix however. Daily I actively work on deprogramming people. I make a lot of mistakes because its really hard. I have some idea what we are up against.
Some people (including children) must die for the Human Race to be free of the tyranny of The Matrix (and those that control it) that we have been living under for 10,000 years (yes, really, though you may not be quite there yet in your investigation, most aren't).
Adults, yes. Children, no - you're wrong there.
We are the Human Race. A child is just as much a part of it as an adult. Some must die so that all might live. That is the way of all war. I assert fewer children will die in this war than all previous wars. That is what the evidence so far suggests. Take heart in reality, don't give in to the fear of the anecdote.
some people are coerced so hard that they can't even recognize the concept of choice.
This is exactly the lesson that needs to be learned. Only at the precipice can we learn what the Truth is (that we are free, that succumbing to coercion is a choice, and that we have other choices that we are refusing to see).
We must see these things. We must grok them. This is the only way.
Trump shilling the greatness of the shots emboldens the bad actors, and harms kids.
I think your vision is too narrow, but I assert your right to your beliefs. The thing about beliefs though, if your eyes are open, when new evidence comes in, if the cognitive dissonance is not too great, beliefs change.
I couldn't have children either Bjorn. You are not alone there. Some days it makes me very sad and other days very glad. I would not want a child to have to deal with any of this.
Why would anyone call you crazy? That's a very rational and sound take. Assuming that the vaccines are producing an alarming amount of adverse reactions which is unjustifiable based on the vaccines efficacy at preventing the spread and hospitalization and death. Which certainly appears to be the case.
Unless the VAERS database is part of some huge gaslighting psyop purposefully put in place to trick patriots and those awakened to the lies of the mainstream media to purposefully deceive us into not taking the vaccine Trump worked hard to create and thus making us most susceptible to dying from Covid 19.
Lol what an outrageous gaslighting maneuver that would be.
I don't think that could be the case though because I personally know of a few unvaccinated people purposefully killed by hospital protocols (remdesvir +vent), while vaccinated people appeared to not be as apt to receive that quick treatment protocol. And I also personally know 3 women who suffered adverse events from the blood clots following vaccination.
Who would have blamed Trump if he said "Listen, we made these vaccines and the people who are getting them are the most vulnerable people - 99% of people over 60 are vaccinated. That's great. And anyone else who wants to, they can get it too, and that's great. But no one should be forced to, or coerced. That's wrong."
That's a "no one disliked that" statement. Well, mostly no one.
No one except the deep state. And hence the media. And hence the sheep. And hence even the "no one disliked that" statement would be about just as weaponizeable as an anti-vaxx statement. Regardless, it would create a huge uproar and a big debate about what Trump really believes when much of the MAGA movement is anti-vaxx.
It would get the focus back on Trump. It would allow the media to re-inflame the ol' "Orange man bad" brainwashing trigger. Exactly what needs to be avoided if we are supposed to get out of this crazy situation that is MUCH worse than just the mega pressured, yet still voluntary choice of whether or not to take the vaccines:
We have mandates, qr code tyranny control system, full deep state take over of the whole world with total control of everyone.
Surely that is way more serious a threat than one more old man saying "take the vaccines" a couple of times when most who listen to him know not to listen to him about that.
The mainstream media has always been an issue. They are literally the main reason for all the division in this country and why the leftists hate our guts and think we deserve to be put in gulag.
Their entire reality is formulated around false information they believe and revere as truth.
Agreed but what would change or prevent victory if trump didn't advocate for so called vaccines. That's what I'm looking for an explanation about, no one has a concise answer
You missed option #3: Trump knows fully well that these vaccines are harmful, but can see far in advance of the consequences of condemning the vaccines and having the anti vax stance being weaponized by the mainstream media while half the country is still brainwashed. And so Trump made the best long term choice that we won't understand until the time comes
This is a type of strawman argument because it ignores the option to say NOTHING. If he did not recommend one way or the other, he would not be seen as anti vax. However he recommended to his rally goers at EVERY RALLY to take the clot shot.
You really think a reality exists in which Trump would have been able to completely avoid giving a stance on the vaccines this entire time?
By straight up ignoring the issue, or deflecting the question, even when asked directly, would cause a reaction as well.
Think back to when Trump was repeatedly badgered by the media who claimed he refused to denounce the White supremacists in Charlottesville.
The whole "very fine people" hoax that was generated out of sheer spite for Trump, solely because the opportunity to do so was there.
If Trump didn't publicly show support for the vaccines, such another opportunity to weaponize his not taking a clear definitive stance would manifest.
Whatever the case, either A) Trump made a calculated decision based on knowledge we are not privy to and understands game theory very well. Or B) Trump is controlled opposition and has been secretly in league with the cabal players this whole time and was only feigning to be their opposition.
Those are the only two options I really see available.
Be careful, I like Trump, but don't think for a second that the whole thing is a well orchestrated plan. In 1814 the Cabal knew thy must control all actors in a crisis, so Trump could be the other side they control. Now, I hope I am wrong, but do not think for a second that possibility is impossible, because it can.
Every. Single. Rally. Everyday basically, he was hammering it to his base. Once a week on a liberal Sunday morning talk show would have been enough. He went above and beyond any sort of perfunctory stance with his rhetoric and his frequency.
Hm. He has option to say nothing but purposely touts virtues of jab to his loyal base, who vehemently oppose him on this before cameras. Pretty obvious to me what that accomplishes. If I'm anti-vax, I most likely feel alone and isolated in my opinion with the media propaganda. Yet I see thousands of ppl protesting the vax at the rallies. Now I don't feel so alone. It encourages doubters to search it out. Also, proves we love Trump yet feel totally free to disagree with him publicly and vehemently.
Dude, have you even fucking HEARD of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY? Do you REALLY take medical advice from fucking money men on a regular basis? I know most "Trump supporters" don't. So, people who support Trump don't always do as he says. Why? He isn't a fucking medical expert. He admitted as much himself many times. He knows how money works, and I'd go to him for FINANCIAL advice, but he is REALLY fucking low on the list of people I'd take medical advice from. If you can't think for yourself, that's a you problem. Which means, sort your shit out or STFU.
Aside from that, Merry Christmas dude.
Strawman argument. A really tired one. The problem isn't with him not "completely avoiding" discussion. It's that he pushed it, unprompted, at all of his rallies and on all conservative media. Just read this quote, it's sickening.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-urges-all-americans-to-get-covid-vaccine-its-a-safe-vaccine
he's trying to win over the lefties. we are smart enough to not take the vax
The problem there is you’re quoting from Fox News, which is msm and fake news. That’s not evidence he said those things—but it is evidence he never said those things. I bet you won’t find OAN or RSBN with those quotes.
Yes I'm well aware he said that. Which brings us to another point of contention. Does POTUS actually have the awareness we suspect he should? Regarding the fact that an unjustifiable amount of adverse reactions are being produced for vaccines which have demonstrated rapidly decreasing efficacy and thus should be unjustifiable to even have allowed to continue rolling them out.
Either A) he's completely oblivious and hasn't taken any initiative to actually examining the results of this mass vaccination program, or B) he knows very well the damage its causing and is happy to push it because he has been a part of the swamp all along, or C) he is playing the long game here and understands game theory on a level we couldn't begin to contemplate and knows very well that there will be casualties as a consequence of his words.
Yep
And what if pushing the vax kills less overall than if he didn't push it?
I don't believe that is true. Anything other than coming out in favor would be interpreted as he is really anti-vaxx due to "his movement being anti-vaxxers".
Saying nothing or trying to take the middle ground is basically the same as being anti-vaxx. At least in the hyper polarized MSM. And at least when it comes to Trump, their favorite person to polarize with.
OR.... or....
We have reached a point in which Trump knows that anyone who could possibly be convinced to take the vaccine has already done so, and the rest of us are steadfast. No minds are going to change, so he used the opportunity to his advantage. Now everyone from left to right is airing his interview and praising him, which is increasing his publicity to normies.
I think he just used a no-loss situation for a win. No one is going to see that interview and say “Well I better go get vaxxed!”. The lines have already been drawn and boldly. This was a chess move
True. And I think he wants to separate the peoples movement from him bc he knows he is polarizing.
Anyone promoting the “vaccine” products is not expecting those with clarity to take it.
Anytime a white hat tells you and yours to take it, consider it scripted advice to safely ignore.
Read between the lines.
It is a filtering process.
4 of my friends literally changed their minds BECAUSE OF TRUMP'S RECENT APOLOGY TOUR. Minds Are going to change, and Have, because of his outpour of advocacy.
We’re F o o k e d...! Can’t defend this anymore. God speed folks - were on our own.
Let's stop with this chess stuff.
#1. The vaccines don't fucking work. The data is right there in front of us. He knows the data.
#2. They are forcing it on people. People have lost lives, their livelihoods, their loved ones from this vaccine.
#3. Highly renown doctors and scientist have come out against this gene therapy. One within Trump's cabinet.
The whole chess thing is a non-argument. We are under attack and the vaccines are a part of this attack. I'm not trying to be a doomer, as I have hope that we will come through this BS. But I am skeptical and question everything.
The fact is that Trump says we have a choice, but he also knows how much his voice has weight with the silent majority.
Unless this is a sacrifice from him when the time comes and people need to be prosecuted, I see no other political argument. The lefties that hate Trump will never not hate him. There is no upside to him doing this. He is losing his base by doing this.
When he runs again, he will not lose. So the whole argument where he needs to gain supporters is BS. He has it in the bag and we all know it. If anything, this is a terrible political decision. Bad actor or not, I believe that he has a really strong personality. Those with the type of personality have faults, and this may be the reason. He said it himself, he will not back down from the "miracle" the vaccines were. This is a personality thing. I don't believe he is a black hat. But doing this, he will look back and realize it was the most disastrous decision he has ever made.
He will regret this the most out of all of his regrets.
Did he really have to say all this? Really?
I'm certain we will find out in due time now won't we? Every lie will be revealed.
why not, if it doesnt change anyone's mind
Fine, not nothing. But not "I highly recommend it". How bout "do your research, take it if you want, don't take it if you don't want. I'm not licensed to give medical advice"
Not saying anything equals anti vax. Whether true, or just in the eyes of the left and the media.
True!
"Learn to play THE GAME. Q"
What does promoting the shots and your rights at the same time do (which is exactly what he does, always in the same breath)? It takes all the wind out of the sails of the vaxxwashed, while at the same time putting the focus where it belongs, on us understanding the violation of our inalienable rights.
People who think that "people dying" from the vaccine is the worst thing that can happen are not paying attention (or are ignorant of) the evidence of what our reality is. We live in The Matrix. We have been programmed to believe that we are not free; that we are not sovereign; that we do not have the capacity to do our own critical thinking. We must go through a deprogramming. How is that accomplished?
Show them. Let them see the blatant violation of their rights. Not just us, who refuse the vaxx, but those that are completely ignorant to the veil that covers their eyes. How many people will really be harmed by him promoting the shot at this point? How many have held out this long, but his booster promotion is going to put people over the edge?
I assert not many. If there are a few, every single one of them is voluntary. If people are still so brainwashed as to assign over their critical thinking to Trump (or anyone else) then they have yet to learn the most important lesson in this war. If they die due to voluntary stupidity, such is the cost of freedom.
Freedom is not free.
This is the war to end all wars. People are going to die. In this case, each of these deaths is voluntary (or at least the vast majority).
Wrong.
This is about the Great Awakening. You feel empathy for these children. I do too. I see The Matrix however. Daily I actively work on deprogramming people. I make a lot of mistakes because its really hard. I have some idea what we are up against.
Some people (including children) must die for the Human Race to be free of the tyranny of The Matrix (and those that control it) that we have been living under for 10,000 years (yes, really, though you may not be quite there yet in your investigation, most aren't).
We are the Human Race. A child is just as much a part of it as an adult. Some must die so that all might live. That is the way of all war. I assert fewer children will die in this war than all previous wars. That is what the evidence so far suggests. Take heart in reality, don't give in to the fear of the anecdote.
This is exactly the lesson that needs to be learned. Only at the precipice can we learn what the Truth is (that we are free, that succumbing to coercion is a choice, and that we have other choices that we are refusing to see).
We must see these things. We must grok them. This is the only way.
I think your vision is too narrow, but I assert your right to your beliefs. The thing about beliefs though, if your eyes are open, when new evidence comes in, if the cognitive dissonance is not too great, beliefs change.
All the time.
I couldn't have children either Bjorn. You are not alone there. Some days it makes me very sad and other days very glad. I would not want a child to have to deal with any of this.
But he specifically came out and stated that children are largely unaffected by covid and thus should not be taking the vaccines.
Why would anyone call you crazy? That's a very rational and sound take. Assuming that the vaccines are producing an alarming amount of adverse reactions which is unjustifiable based on the vaccines efficacy at preventing the spread and hospitalization and death. Which certainly appears to be the case.
Unless the VAERS database is part of some huge gaslighting psyop purposefully put in place to trick patriots and those awakened to the lies of the mainstream media to purposefully deceive us into not taking the vaccine Trump worked hard to create and thus making us most susceptible to dying from Covid 19.
Lol what an outrageous gaslighting maneuver that would be.
I don't think that could be the case though because I personally know of a few unvaccinated people purposefully killed by hospital protocols (remdesvir +vent), while vaccinated people appeared to not be as apt to receive that quick treatment protocol. And I also personally know 3 women who suffered adverse events from the blood clots following vaccination.
No one except the deep state. And hence the media. And hence the sheep. And hence even the "no one disliked that" statement would be about just as weaponizeable as an anti-vaxx statement. Regardless, it would create a huge uproar and a big debate about what Trump really believes when much of the MAGA movement is anti-vaxx.
It would get the focus back on Trump. It would allow the media to re-inflame the ol' "Orange man bad" brainwashing trigger. Exactly what needs to be avoided if we are supposed to get out of this crazy situation that is MUCH worse than just the mega pressured, yet still voluntary choice of whether or not to take the vaccines:
We have mandates, qr code tyranny control system, full deep state take over of the whole world with total control of everyone.
Surely that is way more serious a threat than one more old man saying "take the vaccines" a couple of times when most who listen to him know not to listen to him about that.
Thank you for talking sense. I've been gaslit by people for 2 days on this board despite being a patriot for voicing what you are much less cleverly.
*To be clear i mean I was explaining less cleverly haha
I'm interested to know how the mainstream (((controlled))) media being against him would be an issue?
The mainstream media has always been an issue. They are literally the main reason for all the division in this country and why the leftists hate our guts and think we deserve to be put in gulag.
Their entire reality is formulated around false information they believe and revere as truth.
Agreed but what would change or prevent victory if trump didn't advocate for so called vaccines. That's what I'm looking for an explanation about, no one has a concise answer
I don't think anyone can physically give you a concise answer because without the ability to see into the future, one can only speculate.
Go back before the vaccine, when Trump advocated multiple early treatments.
It's like everyone forgets how nuts people went at Trump.
People still tell me that Trump told people to take bleach.
All those people need to be deprogramed.
I sincerely believe Trump is drawing them in to blaming all the damage on him.