They're regulated and monitored by NSA, and have been since NSA's inception. FCC monitors all bands and freqs, too.
Won't go into details but I will say that I've been contacted a few different times by both agencies while on the CB bands. And the Ham freqs, too. They can/will fine you, confiscate your equipment, and/or jail you for "violations" and/or noncompliance.
Musk doesn't know what he's talking about. Neither does anyone else who says CB bands and freqs aren't monitored.
Also, both agencies are able to track your position (thru tower triangulation) if you're moving, and can shut you down whenever they want. Just because it doesn't happen often enough for it to be in the "news," doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Back in the old days, there were thousands of people who monitored those freqs. Now, it's all done by super computers and algorithms. And once [they] find you, [they] start a trace in all recordings for your voice print. [they] analyze it, and can traingulate where you were (relative position based on CB tower positions) at the time which enables [them] to track your positions while you were active.
I suspect this is a shill/troll attempt to confuse the situation and make people relax on the fact that our world's govts track every damn thing we say or do.
The government and media can't stop me from having a CB radio. They also can't confiscate what they can't find. "Tower triangulation" is a new one on me. CB radios don't use towers like cellphones do. With ham radio, you can hit repeaters, but they use different frequencies, so you aren't hitting but one at a time, thus no triangulation using them. If you sit in one spot and transmit crap long enough, they can send out vehicles with directional antennas to find you. Radio people used to do that on their own years ago, and they would have an "antenna cutting party."
Musk was pointing out the fact that anyone can get a CB and operate it without a license. Also that the media has nothing to do with it. You're not going to get a media person cutting in trying to brainwash you.
We participated in a Fox hunt one Saturday morning many years ago. It was a lot of fun, but really does take some practice. We were near a mall and the signal reflections were insane. I ended up walking right past the Fox (hidden transmitter) more than once. This hunt used 146 MHz. One running at 3.5 MHz would be an entirely different game, but I've never gotten to participate in one in the HF bands.
You seem to be somewhat in the know. What's the law/enforcement landscape look like for sending digital signals via CB?
I ask, because I've had this idea in my head of setting up a decentralized internet alternative via inexpensive(read: used) wifi routers, but the problem is covering long distances as these kind of routers don't really have that kind of range.
I'm wondering if it would be possible to convert the signals to something that would show up as noise on Citizen Band to transmit the signal farther...
There are Amateur radio groups who repurposed some WiFi routers to use on the Ham bands. I think there is a very active group in the Tampa/St Pete area.
I don't know about that. I suppose it's possible, and quick bursts might be hard to trace. Perhaps switching channels or using different channels each way would work.
I do know that packet radio is used on ham radio for digital content.
In the past, people have considered ad hoc networks using wifi. You'd be surprised at the range of wifi using directional antennas, such as old Directv dishes or even an ancient 10 foot satellite dish. Search the internet and you can find plans for making a cheap "cantenna" from a tin can. Here's just one: https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Cantenna
My concern is if something like this is to be a viable alternative to the internet, it needs to overcome distance problems for a number of reasons, including initial low-user adoption, but also, as it (theoretically) grows, geographic barriers such as oceans or other uninhabited or minimally inhabited areas.
Dont get me wrong, I don't want to abandon the current internet, but much like with dot win, having a lifeboat of sorts would be a good idea, especially if certain fascistic elements within governments get their way...
Older modems used telephone lines, sometimes they also used dedicated lines from one location to another (ie: from a college in Chicago to one in Detroit), but in theory if you got along with your neighbors, you could set up an intranet that way. You need to do some research on the tech, though.
What I'm thinking is you have an old router, so you put a special custom firmware on it and set up a webserver on it and share it to your neighbors. one of them sees it, likes it, so they set up an old router and a server and spread the signal further, while also adding new content to the network.
That would essentially be an intranet, with no access to the internet, the world wide web. I mean the idea of a decentralized internet sounds fantastic to me, but how would you actually connect to it?
I'm thinking wifi would be the easiest way. you can find cheap routers at thrift stores these days that will take custom firmware. there's plenty of free server solutions you could slap on a used computer (linux basically is a server OS, but there's also apache webserver, and I think even Whinedohs has server options built in at this point).
What I'm envisioning is a peer-to-peer network built (at least at first) on existing protocols and hardware to create a decentralized architecture. The advantages that come to mind would be that it would be harder to take down and it would only cost an initial investment to get setup (no monthly service fees).
The downsides would be everybody would have to maintain their own hardware and some people might end up getting bogged down if they were in a primary route over long distances, not to mention the issue of covering long distances of people who aren't yet on the network/geographic barriers like large bodies of water, etc.
Most of this is theoretical of course. More robust protocols and some sort of block-chain-like transfer protocol might be needed to glue all the pieces together...
you can also modify a regular router with custom firmware that allows it to act as a repeater, but what happens if you have a gap between users? (oceans come to mind, although what if you have a gap from city A to cityB with no users in between?) wifi has somewhat limited range, so you need some way to bridge those gaps effectively if you want to avoid dependence on big buisiness/government infrastructure.
Yeah, me too. And if your driving around broadcasting anything that could be considered controversial and... carrying your cell phone along you're also a retard. Your phone could be triangulated as far back as 1G.
Your cell phone has GPS, and they can see anything on your phone they want to. I do not carry a tracking device on me. I don't want to be tracked, and I don't want to be on-call 24/7.
"Also, both agencies are able to track your position (thru tower triangulation) if you're moving, and can shut you down whenever they want. Just because it doesn't happen often enough for it to be in the "news," doesn't mean it doesn't happen."
CB radio works like a walkie-talkie. It is CB transmitter/receiver to CB transmitter/receiver. No towers are used. You are referring to cell phones. Why then would Nellie Ohr use a ham radio to communicate with Christopher Steele if your scenario is so lock-tight controlled and monitored?
Nellie Ohr applied for a HAM radio license (May 23rd 2016); a communication tool that would allow Nellie Ohr and Christopher Steele the ability to communicate outside the normal risk of communication intercepts.
Keeping in mind, both Bruce and Nellie Ohr's subject matter skill-set within the DOJ would provide them with a comprehensive understanding of how to network and communicate with international actors outside the traditional risk of communication intercepts. In short, Mrs. Nelli Ohr would know that using HAM radio frequencies would be a way to avoid the risk of U.S. intelligence intercepts on her communications.
It seems you've spewed quite a bit of misinformation.
Won't go into details but I will say that I've been contacted a few different times by both agencies while on the CB bands.
No, do go into details otherwise LARP.
Were you on a base station holding your key down for 20 minutes like a retard and pissing off hams and they fox-hunted you or in a vehicle driving? If in a vehicle and "tower triangulated" how did they know it was you? Commercial companies still use CB too. Also, when did cell towers become monitors for non-cell frequencies? Did someone come knock on your door with log? Or, did someone break into your transmission and say they were NSA/FCC?
Who’s to say they couldn’t speak in code? If pedos can use pizza to speak their intentions, then truckers can use their own code to do the same.
My question is, can CB radio be shut down using some type of scrambling device, or to broadcast interference, etc.? Seems like something the deep state would do.
Yep. All that they can do is to blanket the band with a high power signal with some kind of modulation, noise or music. In other words broadcast interference.
They're regulated and monitored by NSA, and have been since NSA's inception. FCC monitors all bands and freqs, too.
Won't go into details but I will say that I've been contacted a few different times by both agencies while on the CB bands. And the Ham freqs, too. They can/will fine you, confiscate your equipment, and/or jail you for "violations" and/or noncompliance.
Musk doesn't know what he's talking about. Neither does anyone else who says CB bands and freqs aren't monitored.
Also, both agencies are able to track your position (thru tower triangulation) if you're moving, and can shut you down whenever they want. Just because it doesn't happen often enough for it to be in the "news," doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Back in the old days, there were thousands of people who monitored those freqs. Now, it's all done by super computers and algorithms. And once [they] find you, [they] start a trace in all recordings for your voice print. [they] analyze it, and can traingulate where you were (relative position based on CB tower positions) at the time which enables [them] to track your positions while you were active.
I suspect this is a shill/troll attempt to confuse the situation and make people relax on the fact that our world's govts track every damn thing we say or do.
The government and media can't stop me from having a CB radio. They also can't confiscate what they can't find. "Tower triangulation" is a new one on me. CB radios don't use towers like cellphones do. With ham radio, you can hit repeaters, but they use different frequencies, so you aren't hitting but one at a time, thus no triangulation using them. If you sit in one spot and transmit crap long enough, they can send out vehicles with directional antennas to find you. Radio people used to do that on their own years ago, and they would have an "antenna cutting party."
Musk was pointing out the fact that anyone can get a CB and operate it without a license. Also that the media has nothing to do with it. You're not going to get a media person cutting in trying to brainwash you.
We participated in a Fox hunt one Saturday morning many years ago. It was a lot of fun, but really does take some practice. We were near a mall and the signal reflections were insane. I ended up walking right past the Fox (hidden transmitter) more than once. This hunt used 146 MHz. One running at 3.5 MHz would be an entirely different game, but I've never gotten to participate in one in the HF bands.
I never did any of that, but I know people who did.
It’s a lot of fun teaching kids things for basic SIGINT.
NATO can be done in an evening pretty well.
You seem to be somewhat in the know. What's the law/enforcement landscape look like for sending digital signals via CB?
I ask, because I've had this idea in my head of setting up a decentralized internet alternative via inexpensive(read: used) wifi routers, but the problem is covering long distances as these kind of routers don't really have that kind of range.
I'm wondering if it would be possible to convert the signals to something that would show up as noise on Citizen Band to transmit the signal farther...
There are Amateur radio groups who repurposed some WiFi routers to use on the Ham bands. I think there is a very active group in the Tampa/St Pete area.
WRT meshnet
wonder if they could be repurposed to work on CB bands without spamming the bandwidth... I'd hate to kill a frequency for other people...
I don't know about that. I suppose it's possible, and quick bursts might be hard to trace. Perhaps switching channels or using different channels each way would work.
I do know that packet radio is used on ham radio for digital content.
In the past, people have considered ad hoc networks using wifi. You'd be surprised at the range of wifi using directional antennas, such as old Directv dishes or even an ancient 10 foot satellite dish. Search the internet and you can find plans for making a cheap "cantenna" from a tin can. Here's just one: https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Cantenna
lol, I've used similar before.
My concern is if something like this is to be a viable alternative to the internet, it needs to overcome distance problems for a number of reasons, including initial low-user adoption, but also, as it (theoretically) grows, geographic barriers such as oceans or other uninhabited or minimally inhabited areas.
Dont get me wrong, I don't want to abandon the current internet, but much like with dot win, having a lifeboat of sorts would be a good idea, especially if certain fascistic elements within governments get their way...
Interesting idea! Could you use old-school modems for something like that? Didn't they use bings and bongs to transmit data via analog lines?
Older modems used telephone lines, sometimes they also used dedicated lines from one location to another (ie: from a college in Chicago to one in Detroit), but in theory if you got along with your neighbors, you could set up an intranet that way. You need to do some research on the tech, though.
What I'm thinking is you have an old router, so you put a special custom firmware on it and set up a webserver on it and share it to your neighbors. one of them sees it, likes it, so they set up an old router and a server and spread the signal further, while also adding new content to the network.
That would essentially be an intranet, with no access to the internet, the world wide web. I mean the idea of a decentralized internet sounds fantastic to me, but how would you actually connect to it?
I'm thinking wifi would be the easiest way. you can find cheap routers at thrift stores these days that will take custom firmware. there's plenty of free server solutions you could slap on a used computer (linux basically is a server OS, but there's also apache webserver, and I think even Whinedohs has server options built in at this point).
What I'm envisioning is a peer-to-peer network built (at least at first) on existing protocols and hardware to create a decentralized architecture. The advantages that come to mind would be that it would be harder to take down and it would only cost an initial investment to get setup (no monthly service fees).
The downsides would be everybody would have to maintain their own hardware and some people might end up getting bogged down if they were in a primary route over long distances, not to mention the issue of covering long distances of people who aren't yet on the network/geographic barriers like large bodies of water, etc.
Most of this is theoretical of course. More robust protocols and some sort of block-chain-like transfer protocol might be needed to glue all the pieces together...
Lookup Repeaters.
They’re all over.
you can also modify a regular router with custom firmware that allows it to act as a repeater, but what happens if you have a gap between users? (oceans come to mind, although what if you have a gap from city A to cityB with no users in between?) wifi has somewhat limited range, so you need some way to bridge those gaps effectively if you want to avoid dependence on big buisiness/government infrastructure.
Yeah, me too. And if your driving around broadcasting anything that could be considered controversial and... carrying your cell phone along you're also a retard. Your phone could be triangulated as far back as 1G.
Your cell phone has GPS, and they can see anything on your phone they want to. I do not carry a tracking device on me. I don't want to be tracked, and I don't want to be on-call 24/7.
Not exactly news though, started in 2005 with the "Block II" satellites just for smartphones.
CB radio works like a walkie-talkie. It is CB transmitter/receiver to CB transmitter/receiver. No towers are used. You are referring to cell phones. Why then would Nellie Ohr use a ham radio to communicate with Christopher Steele if your scenario is so lock-tight controlled and monitored?
Nellie Ohr applied for a HAM radio license (May 23rd 2016); a communication tool that would allow Nellie Ohr and Christopher Steele the ability to communicate outside the normal risk of communication intercepts.
Keeping in mind, both Bruce and Nellie Ohr's subject matter skill-set within the DOJ would provide them with a comprehensive understanding of how to network and communicate with international actors outside the traditional risk of communication intercepts. In short, Mrs. Nelli Ohr would know that using HAM radio frequencies would be a way to avoid the risk of U.S. intelligence intercepts on her communications.
It seems you've spewed quite a bit of misinformation.
All this!
Further, If Ohr used ham packet radio as well and robust secondary encryption like a one time pad it would be tough to crack.
No, do go into details otherwise LARP.
Were you on a base station holding your key down for 20 minutes like a retard and pissing off hams and they fox-hunted you or in a vehicle driving? If in a vehicle and "tower triangulated" how did they know it was you? Commercial companies still use CB too. Also, when did cell towers become monitors for non-cell frequencies? Did someone come knock on your door with log? Or, did someone break into your transmission and say they were NSA/FCC?
Who’s to say they couldn’t speak in code? If pedos can use pizza to speak their intentions, then truckers can use their own code to do the same.
My question is, can CB radio be shut down using some type of scrambling device, or to broadcast interference, etc.? Seems like something the deep state would do.
Depends if they have panties on lol
Yep. All that they can do is to blanket the band with a high power signal with some kind of modulation, noise or music. In other words broadcast interference.
Now that's a spin.