This post is archived. Lots of valuable info I learned.
List of Political Families - Russia / Soviet Union
https://www.primidi.com/list_of_political_families/russia__soviet_union
List of leaders of the Soviet Union
https://wikimili.com/en/List_of_leaders_of_the_Soviet_Union
(Sometimes I just archive so the responses don't get erased and not for any other importance or emphasis, this is what I'm doing with the Quora archive links)
How were Ukrainians treated in the Soviet Union?
https://www.quora.com/How-were-Ukrainians-treated-in-the-Soviet-Union?share=1
What was it like to be a Ukrainian in the Soviet Union?
https://www.quora.com/What-was-it-like-to-be-a-Ukrainian-in-the-Soviet-Union?share=1
What was life like in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic?
Ukraine (officially known as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in Soviet times) was the Soviet Union’s breadbasket, as well as a key health tourism destination and industrial center. Its sea, climate, nature and hospitality attracted tourists from all over the country.
https://www.rbth.com/history/332352-soviet-ukraine-life-photos
Khrushchev had spent almost his whole life in Ukraine, and had served there first as Chairman of the Council of Ministers and then as First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party.
Soviet Ukraine in the postwar period
https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/Soviet-Ukraine-in-the-postwar-period
Postwar reconstruction, the reimposition of totalitarian controls and terror, and the Sovietization of western Ukraine were the hallmarks of the last years of Stalin’s rule.
By 1950, Ukraine’s industrial output exceeded the prewar level. In agriculture, recovery proceeded much more slowly, and prewar levels of production were not reached until the 1960s.
The Sovietization of western Ukraine was a prolonged and violent process. The UPA, under the leadership of Roman Shukhevych (killed 1950), continued effective military operations against Soviet troops until the early 1950s.
After arrests and intimidation of the clergy, a synod held in Lviv in March 1946—in fact, on Stalin’s orders—proclaimed the “reunification” of the Ukrainian Greek Catholics with the Russian Orthodox Church. By analogous means, the Greek Catholic church in Transcarpathia was abolished in 1949. Officially declared “self-liquidated,” the Greek Catholic church maintained a clandestine existence through subsequent decades of Soviet rule. Overall, approximately half a million people were deported from western Ukraine in connection with the suppression of the insurgency and nationalist activity, religious persecution, and collectivization.
The prewar system of totalitarian control exercised through the Communist Party and the secret police was quickly reimposed. Khrushchev continued to head the CP(B)U as first secretary—except briefly from March to December 1947—until his promotion to secretary of the Central Committee in Moscow in December 1949; he was succeeded by Leonid Melnikov. Purges in party ranks were relatively mild.
Shortly after the death of Stalin, Melnikov was removed as first secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine, or CPU—as the CP(B)U was renamed in 1952—for “deviations in nationality policy,” specifically, promotion of nonnative cadres and Russification of higher education in western Ukraine. His replacement was Oleksy Kyrychenko, only the second Ukrainian to fill the post
THIS RIGHT HERE FINALLY FOUND IT
Unionwide celebrations in 1954 of the 300th anniversary of the “reunification” of Ukraine with Russia were another sign of the Ukrainians’ rising (though clearly junior) status; on the occasion, the Crimean Peninsula, from which the indigenous Tatar population had been deported en masse at the end of World War II, was transferred from the Russian S.F.S.R. to Ukraine. Ukrainian party officials began to receive promotions to central party organs in Moscow close to the levers of power. In 1957 Kyrychenko was transferred to Moscow as a secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU; his place as first secretary of the CPU was taken by Mykola Pidhorny (Nikolay Podgorny), who moved to Moscow as a secretary of the Central Committee in 1963. There was a steady expansion of party membership, which by the end of 1958 exceeded one million, of whom 60.3 percent were Ukrainians and 28.2 percent Russians; more than 40 percent had joined the party after the war.
So essentially after Stalin got done starving them, Ukrainians enjoyed a huge upswing in political power under Khrushchev and never got a Communist bonk afterwards. This is crazy, if I'm not mistaken the Ukrainians outnumbered the Russians in the Communist Party by over 2:1 in 1958. The prominent Ukrainian families became the Soviet Union deep state after Stalin's destruction.
Khrushchev also introduced a limited decentralization in government administration and economic management. These measures enhanced the powers and stoked the ambitions of the Ukrainian party and government leaders and bureaucracy, and this in turn elicited warnings against “localism” from Moscow.
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Khrushchev’s last years in power witnessed the rise to prominence of two figures—Petro Shelest and Volodymyr Shcherbytsky—who between them dominated Ukraine’s political landscape for almost 30 years.
Why Did Russia Give Away Crimea Sixty Years Ago?
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/why-did-russia-give-away-crimea-sixty-years-ago
The transfer of Crimea to the UkrSSR also was politically useful for Khrushchev as he sought to firm up the support he needed in his ongoing power struggle with Soviet Prime Minister Georgii Malenkov, who had initially emerged as the preeminent leader in the USSR in 1953 after Joseph Stalin’s death.
Malenkov - Stalin's Successor
Nikita Khrushchev (1894 – 1971) - who was known widely as "the hangman of the Ukraine".
Andrey Aleksandrovich Zhdanov - Soviet official
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Andrey-Aleksandrovich-Zhdanov
Andrey Aleksandrovich Zhdanov, (born Feb. 26 [Feb. 14, Old Style], 1896, Mariupol, Ukraine, Russian Empire—died Aug. 31, 1948, Moscow, Russian S.F.S.R.), Soviet government and Communist Party official.
Grigory Konstantinovich Ordzhonikidze - Soviet government official
After the Bolsheviks seized power (October 1917), he became commissar extraordinary for the Ukraine area (1918), a member of his party’s Central Committee (1921), and chairman of the Central Committee’s Caucasian bureau (1921). Despite Vladimir Lenin’s objections to his brutal methods (which were approved by Joseph Stalin) and the opposition of the local communist organizations, Ordzhonikidze helped the Red Army conquer Georgia, then merged Georgia with Armenia and Azerbaijan to create the Transcaucasian Federal Republic, which in turn, was compelled to join Russia, Belorussia, and Ukraine to form the Soviet Union (December 1922).
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Grigory-Konstantinovich-Ordzhonikidze
Leonid Brezhnev, in full Leonid Ilich Brezhnev, (born December 19, 1906, Kamenskoye, Ukraine, Russian Empire [now Dniprodzerzhynsk, Ukraine]—died November 10, 1982, Moscow, Russia, U.S.S.R.), Soviet statesman and Communist Party official who was, in effect, the leader of the Soviet Union for 18 years.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Leonid-Ilich-Brezhnev
Konstantin Chernenko
Chernenko was born to a poor family in the Siberian village of Bolshaya Tes (now in Novosyolovsky District, Krasnoyarsk Krai) on 24 September 1911.[3] His father, Ustin Demidovich (of Ukrainian origin), worked in copper mines and gold mines while his mother took care of the farm work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Chernenko
Mikhail Gorbachev
Gorbachev was born in Privolnoye, Stavropol Krai, to a poor peasant family of Russian and Ukrainian heritage.
Gorbachev was born on 2 March 1931 in the village of Privolnoye, Stavropol Krai, then in the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, one of the constituent republics of the Soviet Union.[4] At the time, Privolnoye was divided almost evenly between ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians.[5] Gorbachev's paternal family were ethnic Russians and had moved to the region from Voronezh several generations before; his maternal family were of ethnic Ukrainian heritage and had migrated from Chernihiv.
Ukrainians we're also the victims of the Holodomor.
I gotta look more into the Holodomor, I don't have a lot of knowledge to describe in depth atm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine
https://archive.ph/oYFdi
[12] "Ukraine – The famine of 1932–33". Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved 26 June 2008.
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-275913/Ukraine
https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor
https://archive.ph/RDc2X
26 Horrifying Photos Of Holodomor — The Ukrainian Famine That Killed Millions
https://allthatsinteresting.com/holodomor-ukrainian-famine
Archived Link will be here
https://archive.ph/lJiSE
That's a genocide on the scale of the Holocaust...
Looking at the first comment in that article...
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Starving the population to weaken their resistance and make it look like incompetence...
Government blaming their bad policies on climate change and creating fake news...
Hey that sounds familiar!
Read The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. The unabridged three-volume set is absolutely dripping with data and gory details, sometimes too much for a normal person to digest it all. You can also check out The Great Terror by Robert Conquest, Leaves From A Russian Diary by Pitirim A. Sorokin, Tortured for Christ by Richard Wurmbrand, and Tortured For His Faith by Haralan Popov. Those should help give you a good start. Also, you may not agree with all the conclusions in this documentary, but it has loads and loads of data about the Holodomor: https://www.bitchute.com/playlist/hmv3AI5oVvJm/
I could bet the victims were Ortodox Russians then Poles and Romanians which are in big number in Ukraine having in mind who had 80% of Russian CP back then!
A really great talk about this is but beware it is one of the darkest things you will ever listen to. The Romanian Orthodox Christian accounts especially stick out to me.
Martyrmade Podcast Episode #19 - The Anti-Humans
https://martyrmade.com/19-the-anti-humans/
Man, I know for the fact all the refion right from Moldova is full of Vallachians/Romanians 2 Milion of them now there ! They are those who threw Ukr politicians in trashcans for making them go to war against the Russians. They should have been 6+ million but Stalin deported them all over Mongolia and Sibiria after starved half of them to death.Same with Poles, Checks and Russians.
Khazarians were the only one not damaged but they complain the most even today. And all media books are blaming USSR and Russian not them!
btw.ANTIHUMANS is the closest word to describe that scumm on Earth
I read somewhere that the Bolsheviks were seeking revenge on Russia for banishing them from Khazar centuries earlier.
Any connection to Kazakhstan? We know Kazakhstan was the last territory of the USSR to dissolve. It recently went through a coup but there's little information about this.
There probably is but I will have to look into it another day, please post any links you find and message me as well if it's a separate post from here.
There are two kinds of people in the world those with guns and those that dig..oh wait that was a movie.
There are two kinds of people in the world, the believers and the heathen aka unbelievers regarding the Christ.
Russia 1917 was overthrown by the Jews who seized power and ended up killing 60 million Christians and Russian citizens, torching their churches and replacing them with synagogues of Satan.
Today post cold war and some say WWIII. Not sure about that but nevertheless today Russia is a free Christian nation that currently has higher morals than the U.S.A.
I don't care who you are, what race you are, what country you live in, whether you are a man or woman, if you are a believer in Christ you're good.
If you are a heathen as in unbeliever, then what you believe in as to what ideology becomes all important. There are harsh cruel cults that simply cannot be allowed to continue in this world any longer. Judaism and Islam along with their Mosques and Synagogues of Satan need bulldozed to the ground.
George Soros when a child in one of the WWII German labor camps convinced the Germans he was a Christian and just like that he was freed to go in peace. Yes he lied to them.
Why would they do that if they were murderous people? They weren't. They knew how wicked Judaism was. You see they knew Christians were not going to be a threat as Germany was a Christian nation.
After this is over I don't know how we continue allowing the Synagogue of Satan to continue or Islam practiced and not have this destruction happen all over again like Ground Hog Day waking up to Sonny and Cher's I Got You Babe.
We can't send Satan to GITMO but we can sure take his weapons away.
Bring the Ten Commandments back in our schools along with prayer. Let's read our bibles and freely practice your religion that does not worship the devil!!
It's simple actually.
James 4:7 King James Version 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
We can't send Satan to GITMO but we can sure take his weapons away.
I would wear this on a tshirt even better: We can't send Satan to GITMO but we can sure take his tribe of choice away.
We certainly need to take his servants away which takes Satan away. Things have to change big time or we are doomed to repeat this all over again.
This entire post and string of comments is fantastic. Thank you “CasaC” (ha), 20-gauge (my first gun), and others. Excellent sauce along the way.
Glad you like it 😊 This post originally came from a few links I had saved over 6 months ago. I could've done better with the title but I just copied and pasted what I had before. Still really eye opening though! I think a large number of the Soviet Union Communist Party members are still leftover in Ukraine.
Oleg Deripaska ...... Rothschild.
Now 37, Rothschild is an adviser to Oleg Deripaska and like his ancestors he has thrived by providing discreet business advice, jetting in on his Gulfstream jet and serving guests the best wines from his family's Bordeaux vinyards. Roman Abramovich is said to be among his close contacts.
source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/oct/22/nathaniel-rothschild-osborne-oleg-deripaska
And you have to pose the question: why have these people latched on to Londonistan and Washington .......
Q once said: think subgroup ..... It seem we are looking at the subgroup ....
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/oct/22/nathaniel-rothschild-osborne-oleg-deripaska
https://archive.ph/d6PoQ
Yes, I would expect that all former Soviet rulers were born and retired in a Soviet country.
Yeah I fucked up with that title.
HOWEVER... check this out
Soviet Ukraine in the postwar period
https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/Soviet-Ukraine-in-the-postwar-period
https://archive.ph/AusLe
After Stalin died when Khrushchev lead the USSR, Ukrainians had a huge majority of political power in Moscow. The Soviet Union essentially had their own deep state.
Great post. Thank you!!
What clans do you mean? Khazarian/Ukrainian Jews? Soviet Union elite families?
Stalin in his power-hungry paranoia (or insight?) pretty much wiped the floor with much of the Bolshevik Leviathan or elite Soviet Union families during his rule (minus the Birobidzhan, that is really damn interesting). He was from Georgia and not someone I'd consider a Bolshevik or Jew.
After he died it was pretty much free game. You had Ukrainians take power over the Communist Party thanks to Khruschev and later you started having other families climb the degree of hierarchy through the Chekist/Silovik route. The Chekist/Silovik route looks like it allows more meritocracy as I imagine most officers in KGB, GRU, FSB, SVR, FSO, the Federal Drug Control Service, or other armed services were not part of prominent families and "productive" work allowed openings to climb up in the system. However, once you were a higher up status in the Communist state, it was very easy to stay there.
In capitalism with a free-market, when a family climbs the hierarchy, future generations get taken down the hierarchy when they lose their money/influence through bad decisions and living in decadence. It happens very often when government regulations don't prop up corporations/elite the upcoming generations are terrible at handling money. They're not able to live without the decadence they were born into so they lose the fortune they were born into and generations after have to find a way to make that money back. This is a generational cycle that I've observed from people/families I've met in life.
In Soviet Union, I would say the only ways to get taken down the hierarchy was a monstrous purge like Stalin did or an individual speaking out against the USSR. In fact I would so far to say if Stalin hadn't taken power and killed all rivals to power while weakening/starving/terrorizing his population, the USSR would've collapsed much sooner. It's Communism right? Even if you lose all your money, you can just use influence in the government to get more money. The problem is if nobody comes in and purges these elite families and they still retain political power over the USSR, their numbers will grow like a cancer and pretty soon the state will not be able to carry their weight with the same levels of decadence.
I'm gonna take the time to read these links before I answer this and I'll reply to you in another comment. Thanks for the interesting info!
The name 'Ukraine' comes from the word 'ukraina', which means 'borderland' and translates literally as 'the borderlands'. It has always been understood as a borderland region that was used quite frankly as a buffer between competing nations. This region was part of the Russian Empire having varying borders that existed from 1791 to 1917 to which permanent residency by Jews was allowed. It was called the Pale of Settlement. Beyond this Jewish residency, permanent or temporary, was mostly forbidden. The 'Pale of Settlement' became a problem in itself , in which it became a big source of corruption affecting conterminous governments. During the Soviet era, Birobidzhan, which is a Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia was established in 1931 during Stalin's regime. I mention this because there has always been an unusual effort to administer to Jewish demands. Jewish communists believed that the Soviet Union's creation of Birobidzhan was the "only true and sensible solution to the national question." The Soviet government used the slogan "To the Jewish Homeland!" to encourage Jewish workers to move to Birobidzhan. The Pale of Settlement was in many ways a predecessor of Birobidzhan. Many Jewish Canadians then gave their support to the Soviet Union by becoming either members or sympathizers with the Communist Party of Canada. Are these the same forces controlling Canada today?
Throughout history Ukraine has acted somewhat like a 'sacrificial metal' does to which trouble first rears its head. When Putin said Ukraine was never a nation with borders, this is what he was referring to. Ukraine has been a place where bad actors are sent ridding governments of troublemakers. It really is a breeding ground for corruption.
I learned this from the Russians With Attitude Podcast, have you listened to this before? This is where I initially heard most Soviet Union leaders families resided in Ukraine during USSR and even after.
I brave search "Birobidzhan"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidzhan
[18] - Srebrnik, Henry Felix (1999). Red Star Over Birobidzhan: Canadian Jewish Communists and the "Jewish Autonomous Region" in the Soviet Union. Canadian Committee on Labour History. pp. 129–147.
No fucking way it is absolutely there. Archived.
(Entry 3 Years Ago) https://archive.ph/s7EHj
(Archive Link Now) https://archive.ph/mkQeP
Brave search "Pale of Settlement", also on Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement
https://archive.ph/YIBxM
[1] Черта оседлости. (tr. "Settlement line") KEE, volume 9, col. 1188–1198 eleven.co.il
No, I did my own research on this a number of years ago. Ukraine has always been a borderland used as a 'buffer' against invading forces. Everyone from Turks to Napoleon to Hitler knows what this means. The Ukraine has never 'really' been a nation because the borders have never been set. It has been constantly overrun by invading armies from all directions through out history. This is why it has this name.
WOW 6 presidents in 100 years. That is really telling.6 Presidents since 1991 so about 5 year average for every president in Ukraine
Edit: Thanks for that correction u/20-gauge
Please post any sources you find fellow frog! They are hard to find on my end other than an occasional podcast episode.
History of Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine
https://archive.ph/oYFdi
[11] - History of Russia. By Nicholas V. Riasanovsky (1963), p. 537.
"Ukraine became independent again when the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991."
Another book you may like comes from here
https://greatawakening.win/p/142BJlQ0yh/x/c/4OVxN160FEO
[18] Srebrnik, Henry Felix (1999). Red Star Over Birobidzhan: Canadian Jewish Communists and the "Jewish Autonomous Region" in the Soviet Union. Canadian Committee on Labour History.
Democracy! Democracy!
------ loudly screams some idiot American democrat