He wasn't the child rapist they made him out to be so long ago. He was actually trying to save kids from the Hollywood pedos, not to mention he was one of the abused kids growing up.
I don't know if this was said in the article, but I'd hope so. He wasn't a villain.
I'm undecided on this. He was probably too naive to be a villain as we conceive of that persona. But one still has to wonder about the all too common cycle of transgenerational sexual abuse. Was MJ actually able to both break that cycle in his own life trajectory as well as heroically counter it in other victims' lives? That would be astounding and unusual. But we could see for sure he had poor brain function especially in later years even just from watching all the footage... he didn't really think like a matured adult, and it's also known that sexual predators almost never think of themselves as predators or doing something wrong because they think they're on equal level emotionally and otherwise of the children they groom/abuse. Who really knows?
He has a very interesting story indeed. His mental damage could have easily came with being abused as a kid. Just look at other hollywood elites who were abused and look how they act/talk...Cory Feldman comes to mind specifically. Very similiar to how MJ was. He also had close ties to Trump, and I highly doubt Trump would have been good friends with a pedo.
Years ago there was an FBI raid on his Neverland ranch. If I recall correctly, they found all kinds of magazines, books, and photographs of pornography involving adult men with boys, boys with other boys, boys with girls, lots of photographs of naked boys (some of whom had been mentored by MJ) and other strange things like nude mannequins, stuffed animals, and toys throughout the entirety of the huge facility.
The pornography was not hidden, but set out and easily available to the little boys. In addition, several former kid stars came forward as adults after MJ's death to say that he did things to them that he said were 'because he loved them, and that's how we show our love" while they slept in his huge bed with him, as he demanded. One said that when they didn't want to do those things with MJ, he would cry and say, "Don't you love me?"
(Damn sickening ...)
One former victim who was mentored by MJ and was a child dancer/singer, later became a highly regarded choreographer for So You Think You Can Dance. He came forward and spilled. He said it wasn't until he got married and had his own child that he realized exactly how insidious the behavior he experienced was, the grooming, the praise, the buttering up of the mothers, and then the sexual activity that he didn't understand. And so he felt compelled to come forward and tell the truth.
MJ would flatter the boys' mothers (where were their fathers?) and shower them with expensive gifts like fancy fur coats and trips and when the boys were brought to MJ for a visit for 'mentoring' the mothers were always put up in a 5-star hotel, but the boys were mandated to stay (sleepover) with MJ at his home and as it turns out, in MJ's large custom bed, too.
As a parent myself, I cannot excuse or abide this behavior, if true.
Zero idea where I read it, but supposedly a kid that was interrogated about it said he could draw a “birth mark” or something resembling one that MJ supposedly had on his dick. And when matched up with an actual picture, the drawing was “close enough” to the real thing. Not sure if it’s true or not, but I remember reading it somewhere.
If true is the biggest thing you said. You are referring to the same FBI who's been caught red-handed multiple times planting evidence, most recent big events were the Las Vegas shooting and of course Jan. 6th. And the actors you refer, I've never heard about them either, but yet if true, can also be plants just like David Hogg and other crisis actors we've been shown many times again now. If my memory serves correct, this all came down on MJ around the time of accusations of sexual abuse in hollywood. Was he the patsy? Was MJ an actual pedo? Or was he ratting them out, and they needed to take him out? There is no coincidence that he died by his Dr's doing shortly after this all got exposed.
The one thing that should always be a red flag, is when they go over the top to sell you on it. Your above story fits into this category, being so "obvious" and "over the top" in MJ prosecutions.
As a father, I agree with you about never excusing bad behavior towards kids. I just think there was much more to MJs story than we were told about.
Director Dan Reed and film subjects Wade Robson and James Safechuck spoke after the world premiere of the documentary in which the men allege Michael Jackson abused them as children.
The four-hour world premiere of Leaving Neverland was one of Sundance’s most anticipated tickets. The two-part documentary, which shares the stories of two men who allege Michael Jackson sexually abused them as children, takes a survivor-centric approach; the lasting impact of the abuse is at its center. Both men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, waited years to come forward with their accounts, which is common for childhood survivors, according to experts.
Viewers of the film were visibly impacted after both parts of the screening, wiping away tears. The post-screening mood was an expression of admiration and appreciation for Robson and Safechuck who bravely shared their stories.
As director Dan Reed brought Robson and Safechuck to the stage for a Q&A, the audience responded with a minutes-long standing ovation. Here are some takeaways from the moving conversation....
This is my exact point about the DS going over the top to sell a narrative. Crisis actors exist. Look at the photo ops we are seeing almost daily coming out of Ukraine, it's the same thing. Knowing what we know now, it could be good to go back and do some digging on this if you feel you have the time to do so.
I'm sorry, but that Youtuber's screaming manner and douchey attitude rubbed me the wrong way. His style of making a point is yelling and accusing and acting offended. He made assumptions based on his theories that were not based on facts but on "the media said it - so of course it's false" or, "this guy was too smart and successful to get caught if he did it, so therefore that proves he didn't do it" ignorance. I couldn't get through more than a few minutes of his pasty faced, black dyed hair, and 'I wear my sunglasses at night' attempt at being edgy.
Too loud, too annoying. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood.
Grain of salt but Corey Feldman said it was all bullshit lies he spent alot of time with him. I personally think they made him the fall guy then killed him. When has the FBI gotten real criminals they only get the ones they Create,Manipulate,Coerce ,Infiltrate,setup or payoff. Remember 50 said Hunters lap top was clean!! Richard Jewel,Ruby ridge,David Koresh, J 6th, Michigan plot say bullshit
Corey Feldman saying Michael didn't molest him doesn't mean he didn't molest other children. The boys who were victims said MJ would pick a favorite from the group of boys he'd keep around him like a posse. He'd groom the one and keep him for a while and then lose interest when he found a new one he preferred more.
Predators pick the timid children, the kids with no dad or ones who are troubled or neglected. You've heard how some of these predators are youth leaders, ministers, boy scout leaders, coaches, etc. The majority of these predators keep up a benevolent facade. Most people are shocked when they hear of the predation.
Now, Corey was a well-known child actor and had a lot more street smarts than an unknown, fatherless kid and probably was too risky to mess with. Plus, maybe MJ wasn't attracted to Corey. Corey was a little bit of an odd bird, in my opinion.
Also, remember that Whistleblower Richie Albertini whose phone call to the California social services guy was made public? He said that actor Dominick Brascia told him that Corey asked him to obtain drugs to incapacitate his friend Cory Haim so they both could have a 3-way with him after he was unconscious. It's all so disheartening.
What is true and what is false? I just don't know how we can ever be sure.
He wasn't the child rapist they made him out to be so long ago. He was actually trying to save kids from the Hollywood pedos, not to mention he was one of the abused kids growing up.
I don't know if this was said in the article, but I'd hope so. He wasn't a villain.
I'm undecided on this. He was probably too naive to be a villain as we conceive of that persona. But one still has to wonder about the all too common cycle of transgenerational sexual abuse. Was MJ actually able to both break that cycle in his own life trajectory as well as heroically counter it in other victims' lives? That would be astounding and unusual. But we could see for sure he had poor brain function especially in later years even just from watching all the footage... he didn't really think like a matured adult, and it's also known that sexual predators almost never think of themselves as predators or doing something wrong because they think they're on equal level emotionally and otherwise of the children they groom/abuse. Who really knows?
He has a very interesting story indeed. His mental damage could have easily came with being abused as a kid. Just look at other hollywood elites who were abused and look how they act/talk...Cory Feldman comes to mind specifically. Very similiar to how MJ was. He also had close ties to Trump, and I highly doubt Trump would have been good friends with a pedo.
Edit: Thanks KickingPugilist
Feldman or Federline?
Feldman, thank you. Not sure where I got federline from, never thought about him ever haha.
Years ago there was an FBI raid on his Neverland ranch. If I recall correctly, they found all kinds of magazines, books, and photographs of pornography involving adult men with boys, boys with other boys, boys with girls, lots of photographs of naked boys (some of whom had been mentored by MJ) and other strange things like nude mannequins, stuffed animals, and toys throughout the entirety of the huge facility.
The pornography was not hidden, but set out and easily available to the little boys. In addition, several former kid stars came forward as adults after MJ's death to say that he did things to them that he said were 'because he loved them, and that's how we show our love" while they slept in his huge bed with him, as he demanded. One said that when they didn't want to do those things with MJ, he would cry and say, "Don't you love me?"
(Damn sickening ...)
One former victim who was mentored by MJ and was a child dancer/singer, later became a highly regarded choreographer for So You Think You Can Dance. He came forward and spilled. He said it wasn't until he got married and had his own child that he realized exactly how insidious the behavior he experienced was, the grooming, the praise, the buttering up of the mothers, and then the sexual activity that he didn't understand. And so he felt compelled to come forward and tell the truth. MJ would flatter the boys' mothers (where were their fathers?) and shower them with expensive gifts like fancy fur coats and trips and when the boys were brought to MJ for a visit for 'mentoring' the mothers were always put up in a 5-star hotel, but the boys were mandated to stay (sleepover) with MJ at his home and as it turns out, in MJ's large custom bed, too.
As a parent myself, I cannot excuse or abide this behavior, if true.
I had never heard those things.
Zero idea where I read it, but supposedly a kid that was interrogated about it said he could draw a “birth mark” or something resembling one that MJ supposedly had on his dick. And when matched up with an actual picture, the drawing was “close enough” to the real thing. Not sure if it’s true or not, but I remember reading it somewhere.
If true is the biggest thing you said. You are referring to the same FBI who's been caught red-handed multiple times planting evidence, most recent big events were the Las Vegas shooting and of course Jan. 6th. And the actors you refer, I've never heard about them either, but yet if true, can also be plants just like David Hogg and other crisis actors we've been shown many times again now. If my memory serves correct, this all came down on MJ around the time of accusations of sexual abuse in hollywood. Was he the patsy? Was MJ an actual pedo? Or was he ratting them out, and they needed to take him out? There is no coincidence that he died by his Dr's doing shortly after this all got exposed.
The one thing that should always be a red flag, is when they go over the top to sell you on it. Your above story fits into this category, being so "obvious" and "over the top" in MJ prosecutions.
As a father, I agree with you about never excusing bad behavior towards kids. I just think there was much more to MJs story than we were told about.
Yes. How can we ever know any more? Everyone is suspect.
Here's something you can look at and determine for yourself:
https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/leaving-neverland/sundance-premiere-michael-jackson-documentary
Director Dan Reed and film subjects Wade Robson and James Safechuck spoke after the world premiere of the documentary in which the men allege Michael Jackson abused them as children.
The four-hour world premiere of Leaving Neverland was one of Sundance’s most anticipated tickets. The two-part documentary, which shares the stories of two men who allege Michael Jackson sexually abused them as children, takes a survivor-centric approach; the lasting impact of the abuse is at its center. Both men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, waited years to come forward with their accounts, which is common for childhood survivors, according to experts.
Viewers of the film were visibly impacted after both parts of the screening, wiping away tears. The post-screening mood was an expression of admiration and appreciation for Robson and Safechuck who bravely shared their stories.
As director Dan Reed brought Robson and Safechuck to the stage for a Q&A, the audience responded with a minutes-long standing ovation. Here are some takeaways from the moving conversation....
This is my exact point about the DS going over the top to sell a narrative. Crisis actors exist. Look at the photo ops we are seeing almost daily coming out of Ukraine, it's the same thing. Knowing what we know now, it could be good to go back and do some digging on this if you feel you have the time to do so.
ICYMI: Trust your eyes, instincts and common sense.
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In an MTV interview from 1993, LaToya says about her brother: “I cannot and will not be a silent collaborator in his crimes against young children … Forget about the superstar, forget about the icon. If he was any other 35-year-old man who was sleeping with little boys, you wouldn’t like this guy.” https://inews.co.uk/culture/television/latoya-jackson-on-michael-jackson-interview-paedophile-leaving-neverland-allegations-266950 Latoya later changed her story after having her life threatened.
I WISH THAT NASTY PEDOPHILE MJ WOULD STOP SHOWING UP ON THE GREAT AWAKENING.
I sure wouldn't rely on your memory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pnoQqlygQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yTTEwBLfUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYx0vLfpRYY
I'm sorry, but that Youtuber's screaming manner and douchey attitude rubbed me the wrong way. His style of making a point is yelling and accusing and acting offended. He made assumptions based on his theories that were not based on facts but on "the media said it - so of course it's false" or, "this guy was too smart and successful to get caught if he did it, so therefore that proves he didn't do it" ignorance. I couldn't get through more than a few minutes of his pasty faced, black dyed hair, and 'I wear my sunglasses at night' attempt at being edgy.
Too loud, too annoying. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood.
Maybe you can tell me what his point was.
Grain of salt but Corey Feldman said it was all bullshit lies he spent alot of time with him. I personally think they made him the fall guy then killed him. When has the FBI gotten real criminals they only get the ones they Create,Manipulate,Coerce ,Infiltrate,setup or payoff. Remember 50 said Hunters lap top was clean!! Richard Jewel,Ruby ridge,David Koresh, J 6th, Michigan plot say bullshit
Corey Feldman saying Michael didn't molest him doesn't mean he didn't molest other children. The boys who were victims said MJ would pick a favorite from the group of boys he'd keep around him like a posse. He'd groom the one and keep him for a while and then lose interest when he found a new one he preferred more.
Predators pick the timid children, the kids with no dad or ones who are troubled or neglected. You've heard how some of these predators are youth leaders, ministers, boy scout leaders, coaches, etc. The majority of these predators keep up a benevolent facade. Most people are shocked when they hear of the predation.
Now, Corey was a well-known child actor and had a lot more street smarts than an unknown, fatherless kid and probably was too risky to mess with. Plus, maybe MJ wasn't attracted to Corey. Corey was a little bit of an odd bird, in my opinion.
Also, remember that Whistleblower Richie Albertini whose phone call to the California social services guy was made public? He said that actor Dominick Brascia told him that Corey asked him to obtain drugs to incapacitate his friend Cory Haim so they both could have a 3-way with him after he was unconscious. It's all so disheartening.
What is true and what is false? I just don't know how we can ever be sure.
Trump trusted him with his kids, that's all I needed to hear to finally make up my mind.
Maybe Trump didn't know. And how stupid would MJ be to do anything with the Trump children? Come on. This is not definitive proof of anything.