So, an unborn baby’s life is equal to a convicted felon’s life? Do you people listen to yourselves?
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To be honest. I do not support the death penalty. And I think there is plenty of reason not to think of all who have done wrong by law to be considered not worthy of life.
All of Gods creation is precious. And it should be frowned uppon to revoke someones ability to repent and be saved.
Not to mention there are a lot that are in prison, on death row, who actually comitted no crime. There are a lot who are in prison in general who have done no wrong.
You dont revoke their ability to repent and be saved as a matter of fact most of those murderers on death row do exactly that. Even God has had people executed. How many times did God send in an army to destroy every living thing in the city including the children. Keeping these people is not the answer they are absolutely vile. If we had the proper death penalty which is ok according to the bible then there would be so many less of these murderers amoung us killing the innocent.
Glad you pointed that out. Those are things God has done. We are not God, they are not our creation. Thou shalt not kill. Seems pretty easy to understand.
If there us a place in the Bible where it implicity states killing is ok. I really want to read it.
“Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind” Genesis 9:6 NIV
I dont understand how than means its ok to kill people for breaking the law. It doesnt exactly state who can do it. That feels like a stretch to me to go from shed blood to kill.
Just FYI - The proper translation is "Thou shalt not murder' (not 'kill').
There is a time for killing (the guilty), but never for murdering (the innocent).
Thanks for adding that, I deleted mine as soon as I saw someone else put the correct translation. Thou shalt not kill is entirely ambiguous, and people love to quote that, especially the anti capital punishment types. I will add though if there was an accidental death, this invoked the cities of refuge use. This protected the one who accidentally killed another, but it protected the relatives of the slain ones as well. It kept them from becoming murders while seeking revenge for the one lost.
Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy all call for capital punishment for various crimes including murder, rape, kidnapping, and adultery.
https://www.gotquestions.org/death-penalty.html
In that very link it says God deomstrates his love for us by not condeming us. How does it make sense for us to condem each other? Even after Jesus has taught us to love one another?
Romans - Speaking about government
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Why don't you go live with ISIS if you think running the laws of the land based on scripture in order to execute people you deem vile and undeserving of life is the solution to things. You're basically wanting sharia law Christian version.
Wanting to put murderers and rapists to the sword is a very different thing than wanting to put women who know how to read the sword.
One is about protecting the innocent. The other is about control.
They are not the same.
@ u/CherokeePede
I hate to break it to you but murders were put to death under Mosaic law, the one God instructed Moses to deliver to the Israelites, Ex 19:12 is the place to where I reference. There is logic in the law for putting a murderer down. It keeps others from becoming murderers based on vengeance. What occurs are two things, there is justice for the one slayed, and the issue is put to rest which can allow people to heal. The same reason if an animal such as bull gored your loved one to death, it was put down, not out of vengeance but to allow the family to heal and not walk past the animal every day and be reminded of their loss, and it was a sense of justice that the owner paid a price.
All life is precious, but when the law comes down from The Almighty, you follow it, to presume to be more wise or Holy, or lenient than God is, starts one down a path that is not conducive to going astray. Although the law was given over 3000 years ago, doesn't make it any less relevant, especially considering the source.
Im not presuming, its how I interpret it. If its Gods will, then Gods will be done. But I dont consider the death penalty Gods will. Is the will of man. Yes, there are References to people being put to death for their Sins. But I dont see how those are instructions for all to take a life as they see fit. I consider it presumption that its ok to kill.
And beyond that we can incarcerate for life. No one here is advocating for people to just walk free. And I have worked on death row. Right next to some of the most vile of sinners that do not value life at all. In fact, some seek to take it.
And this experience is why I dont belive the death penalty should exist. Among those on DR. There were not a few but about half that did something dumb but without any malice. They will recieve the death penalty. One is there for killing his girlfriend and another in a car wreck. Lost control, wrecked, and everyone but him died in the crash. One is there for a house fire, that was started accidentally. There are many stories lime these.
The laws of mankind seem to be clear, but are not free from corruption and ill will. Those people responsible for deciding who lives and dies under death penalty are not God. They are not getting the word of God as instructions to do so. They are following a flawed execution of mans law that is almost completely blind to Gods will. If we cannot guarantee (and we clearly cannot) that all recieving death penalty are actually guilty under Gods law then the death penalty should not exist.
There are very, very, VERY few on death row who are innocent and the amount of innocent people in prison is about 1 our 2 percent.
The death penalty isnt about justice and it damn sure isnt about retribution. It is about protection. If all of Gods life is precious, you have a decision to make. Kill this individual or let them kill or harm lots of other individuals. If you can prevent it, and do not, you ill but committed the crime yourself. Their murder and rape victims could have been saved, had you stopped him, but you chose to let them be murdered instead. If in the world where a life is a 1:1 value, is not the innocent the one you should save? But we arent talking about 1:1. By forgoing the death penalty we are saying this persons life is worth all 12 or 40 of their victims. 40:1, if all life is equally precious, seems like a on brainer.
Multiple Murder is the only crime punished by the death penalty in the modern world. How is this even a discussion?
I essentially agree with you. The justice system is run by humans, and so the justice system is fallible. People who were on death row get their convictions overturned sometimes. Police don't always do their job right, or may get lazy and take the wrong person to court. The saying goes that it's better to release a criminal than convict a person who is innocent. We shouldn't give the state the ability to easily arrest and continue to grow our prison population, the largest on earth per Capita.
I also believe that all life is divine and precious, even those who do evil There have been times people have been put to death with capital punishment then cleared of the crime after death. The state did all the things required to be confident in their decision to kill a citizen, yet they still get it wrong sometimes.
I don't think it's worth it to go through all the legal things in order to execute someone. Which is good, we should give someone as much of a case as possible and to have absolutely no doubt if the state is putting people to death. But the cost of putting a prisoner to death is very often more expensive than it would be to just house them in prison the rest of their natural life. The state shouldn't have the ability to kill its own citizens, even if they were convicted of a heinous crime.