In other words, it's a shot across the bow telling Poland not get involved in Ukraine. Poland's government is being used as a pawn for NATO adventurism. It is the WEC and the Rothschilds who are fomenting this war. Poland will be left ruined, while London, Paris, and Washington are left unscathed.
My based Polish neighbor has been telling me the Poles would welcome the Russians in with open arms, especially because the government isn’t doing anything about the nazis and they feel stuck in NATO. This sounds like an equally valid opinion through.
Nonetheless, there is still a large distaste with Russians based on how they treated Pols (military and civilians alike) during WW2. This ultra conservative population of pols is few and far between. Most pols are post communism right leaning normies who remember the stories about Russia during WW2, and dislike Ukrainians alike, but rather stand with Ukrainians as the civilian population there is being effected. It’s a severe uphill battle and we will directly suffer if this is the case
Also, Poland was getting the short-end of the stick with the Nordstream 2 pipeline if I remember right. Lots of reasons for a regular Poland citizen to be negative towards the Russians. Russia doesn't benefit Poland in multiple ways and they look like much more of a threat to Polish sovereignty than Ukraine.
Can confirm, all of my Polish relatives whom I would generally consider very conservative are anti-Russian. These people lived through WW2 and communism, no way would they ever in their lifetimes accept the Russian military, regardless of intentions, in Polish territory without a fight, never again.
I'm glad to hear this...several years ago when I visited my family there in the north, they HATED Germans and Russians. They learned to speak German/Russian in their schools because "you have to learn the language of your enemy." I'm glad to see that some Poles realize Russia is not the same as USSR or Stalin, Lenin, etc.
As a Polish/German/Jewish American, all of my ancestries are boiling up again. Ugh.....history repeats itself and why are we in the middle of it, again?
Yes this is true. But full blow WW3 on Polish territory is not good for myself or my family. I care more about my family and what we have built than some denazification here where I have seen none. For whatever reason, Poland always seems to get the shit end of the stick… WW2, Poland destroyed. America has issues and tells Poland to jump, Poland obliges, now this bullshit??
Maybe look in history to find Poland grandstanding and acting stupidly where reasonableness and honest desire to do right would have won the day. It seems people in government, harping on international rules based systems, have no qualms of violating the same rules based on melancholia of past greatness.
It is easy to forget that having administrative duties to a certain portion of land, does not mean you own it. It means you have a trust duty to perform. Poland violated that trust for it's own nationalistic ideas.
And of course there are outside forces that foment these grandstanding desires.
That is what gives the shit end of the stick when it puts into motion a series of quite avoidable marches of folly.
Note here, I am not talking of Poles in general, but of your past a-hole governments harping of emotions of people to achieve certain goals. I see the same thing happen in my country. And all I can do is hope for the best, plan for the worst.
I read a poem once:
Angels must be confused by war.
Both sides praying for protection,
yet someone always gets hurt.
Someone dies.
Someone cries so deep
they lose their watery state.
Angels must be confused by war.
Who can they help?
Who can they clarify?
Whose mercy do they cast to the merciless?
No modest scream can be heard.
No stainless pain can be felt.
All is clear to angels
except in war.
When I awoke to this truth
it was from a dream I had last night.
I saw two angels conversing in a field
of children's spirits rising like silver smoke.
The angels were fighting among themselves
about which side was right
and which was wrong.
Who started the conflict?
Suddenly, the angels stilled themselves
like a stalled pendulum,
and they shed their compassion
to the rising smoke
of souls who bore the watermark of war.
They turned to me with those eyes
from God's library,
and all the pieces fallen
were raised in unison,
coupled like the breath
of flames in a holy furnace.
Nothing in war comes to destruction,
but the illusion of separateness.
I heard this spoken so clearly I could only
write it down like a forged signature.
I remember the compassion,
mountainous, proportioned for the universe.
I think a tiny fleck still sticks to me
like gossamer threads
from a spider's web.
And now, when I think of war,
I flick these threads to all the universe
hoping they stick on others as they did me.
Knitting angels and animals
to the filamental grace of compassion.
The reticulum of our skyward home.
“ 🇷🇺🇵🇱⚡Poland encourages us to put it first in line for denazification after Ukraine - State Duma deputy
Morozov's statement was a response to comments by the Polish prime minister and president about the need to "destroy the Russian world" and "force Russia" to pay indemnity to Ukraine.”
From Intel Slava Z on Telegram just now…
Idk what to make of this… who is speaking on behalf of Poland??
But the thing is, I, in my lifetime, with MANY MANY extended visits in Poland, have NEVER seen any Nazi type propaganda. IDK. This is truly getting me worried.
They'll use that as an excuse to get back the good old days remember Russia still has her own ambitions to achieve this day, let's say after Poland. Germany might be possibly next, which seems to be heading in that direction given for a multitude of reasons.
Now with this here, they'll be able to justify their claims of Nazis being present in the country to a far much better extent than with Poland itself since there's actually some groups like that over there and etc.
Hey, so maybe you can answer this for me, how many Pols does it take to...
Ha, sorry, JK, sure you've gotten that 1k times.
Any who, after reading the comments below, doesn't seem like there's much if any Nazism in Poland, and you know all the fake news & dis/misinformation flying around. Easier said than done, but shouldn't worry about it too much.
Besides, also as mentioned below which I think is true, Russia won't tango with a NATO nation as that would certainly turn into WWIII. Also, my take is the denazification is secondary, primary is shutting down biolabs & DS money.
In other words, it's a shot across the bow telling Poland not get involved in Ukraine. Poland's government is being used as a pawn for NATO adventurism. It is the WEC and the Rothschilds who are fomenting this war. Poland will be left ruined, while London, Paris, and Washington are left unscathed.
My based Polish neighbor has been telling me the Poles would welcome the Russians in with open arms, especially because the government isn’t doing anything about the nazis and they feel stuck in NATO. This sounds like an equally valid opinion through.
Nonetheless, there is still a large distaste with Russians based on how they treated Pols (military and civilians alike) during WW2. This ultra conservative population of pols is few and far between. Most pols are post communism right leaning normies who remember the stories about Russia during WW2, and dislike Ukrainians alike, but rather stand with Ukrainians as the civilian population there is being effected. It’s a severe uphill battle and we will directly suffer if this is the case
Same scenario in the Baltics. Long held resentments (justifiably) yet EU MSM is pouring gas on this fire within the normie spectrum.
Problem has only gotten worse this year.
Also, Poland was getting the short-end of the stick with the Nordstream 2 pipeline if I remember right. Lots of reasons for a regular Poland citizen to be negative towards the Russians. Russia doesn't benefit Poland in multiple ways and they look like much more of a threat to Polish sovereignty than Ukraine.
Can confirm, all of my Polish relatives whom I would generally consider very conservative are anti-Russian. These people lived through WW2 and communism, no way would they ever in their lifetimes accept the Russian military, regardless of intentions, in Polish territory without a fight, never again.
I'm glad to hear this...several years ago when I visited my family there in the north, they HATED Germans and Russians. They learned to speak German/Russian in their schools because "you have to learn the language of your enemy." I'm glad to see that some Poles realize Russia is not the same as USSR or Stalin, Lenin, etc.
They still hate Germans and Russians.
Other than Ukraine, there might not be a country on earth that hates Russia more than Poland.
Not too long ago Putin had the Polish President assassinated in a plane crash.
President and most of his cabinet as well on the same plane.
I hope so (take out the trash) and I hope so (headfake)
As a Polish/German/Jewish American, all of my ancestries are boiling up again. Ugh.....history repeats itself and why are we in the middle of it, again?
Plus, Poland is a Nato-Member. This will escalate to WW3 immediately as Nato countries would protect Poland. Ugh....
Yes this is true. But full blow WW3 on Polish territory is not good for myself or my family. I care more about my family and what we have built than some denazification here where I have seen none. For whatever reason, Poland always seems to get the shit end of the stick… WW2, Poland destroyed. America has issues and tells Poland to jump, Poland obliges, now this bullshit??
Maybe look in history to find Poland grandstanding and acting stupidly where reasonableness and honest desire to do right would have won the day. It seems people in government, harping on international rules based systems, have no qualms of violating the same rules based on melancholia of past greatness.
It is easy to forget that having administrative duties to a certain portion of land, does not mean you own it. It means you have a trust duty to perform. Poland violated that trust for it's own nationalistic ideas.
And of course there are outside forces that foment these grandstanding desires. That is what gives the shit end of the stick when it puts into motion a series of quite avoidable marches of folly.
Note here, I am not talking of Poles in general, but of your past a-hole governments harping of emotions of people to achieve certain goals. I see the same thing happen in my country. And all I can do is hope for the best, plan for the worst.
I read a poem once:
Angels must be confused by war. Both sides praying for protection, yet someone always gets hurt. Someone dies. Someone cries so deep they lose their watery state.
Angels must be confused by war. Who can they help? Who can they clarify? Whose mercy do they cast to the merciless? No modest scream can be heard. No stainless pain can be felt. All is clear to angels except in war.
When I awoke to this truth it was from a dream I had last night. I saw two angels conversing in a field of children's spirits rising like silver smoke. The angels were fighting among themselves about which side was right and which was wrong. Who started the conflict?
Suddenly, the angels stilled themselves like a stalled pendulum, and they shed their compassion to the rising smoke of souls who bore the watermark of war. They turned to me with those eyes from God's library, and all the pieces fallen were raised in unison, coupled like the breath of flames in a holy furnace.
Nothing in war comes to destruction, but the illusion of separateness. I heard this spoken so clearly I could only write it down like a forged signature. I remember the compassion, mountainous, proportioned for the universe. I think a tiny fleck still sticks to me like gossamer threads from a spider's web.
And now, when I think of war, I flick these threads to all the universe hoping they stick on others as they did me. Knitting angels and animals to the filamental grace of compassion. The reticulum of our skyward home.
“ 🇷🇺🇵🇱⚡Poland encourages us to put it first in line for denazification after Ukraine - State Duma deputy
Morozov's statement was a response to comments by the Polish prime minister and president about the need to "destroy the Russian world" and "force Russia" to pay indemnity to Ukraine.”
Idk what to make of this… who is speaking on behalf of Poland??
Oh that is going to definitely escalate things, I can tell you that.
But the thing is, I, in my lifetime, with MANY MANY extended visits in Poland, have NEVER seen any Nazi type propaganda. IDK. This is truly getting me worried.
They'll use that as an excuse to get back the good old days remember Russia still has her own ambitions to achieve this day, let's say after Poland. Germany might be possibly next, which seems to be heading in that direction given for a multitude of reasons.
Now with this here, they'll be able to justify their claims of Nazis being present in the country to a far much better extent than with Poland itself since there's actually some groups like that over there and etc.
Neither have many in Ukraine.
Pssssssssst, Russia is Nazi's of this war.
Hey, so maybe you can answer this for me, how many Pols does it take to...
Ha, sorry, JK, sure you've gotten that 1k times.
Any who, after reading the comments below, doesn't seem like there's much if any Nazism in Poland, and you know all the fake news & dis/misinformation flying around. Easier said than done, but shouldn't worry about it too much.
Besides, also as mentioned below which I think is true, Russia won't tango with a NATO nation as that would certainly turn into WWIII. Also, my take is the denazification is secondary, primary is shutting down biolabs & DS money.
You don't have to worry. Russia's army won't be invading anyone for a long time after this complete debacle.