Retarded fucking video casually states as fact that the Swedes had hydro power in the 1200s, therefore Tom Bombadil (hill, water, and wood) represents hydro power. I would ask if you are really this gullible, but...
A brief internet search finds that the Han Dynasty in China conceived of hydropower over 2000 years ago.
Typically when we think of hydropower, we think of hydroelectricity. The concept of the water wheel is an ancient one that only recently (historically) was modified for use in the industrial revolution.
I think the spirit of the video was in shedding light on the Cabal's dislike of independence and self sufficiency. We can all be like Tom Bombadil if we choose, and live apart from the Cabal. The Cabal only has power over us if we choose to allow them to.
The carefree jolly Tom symbolizes what humanity will become once we are freed from the clutches of the Cabal's Central Banking system.
If the goal is to become like Tom Bombadil, then I don't want to see that ending, frankly. I would rather ride with the Rohirrim and fight beside the true king Aragorn (or, you know, Jesus, the true King of Kings when he returns).
The whole thing with Tom Bombadil is that he's great, but unreliable. He is a good spirit and he's not susceptible to the influence of the Ring even, but he's not going to trouble himself to go confront evil and defeat Sauron. He doesn't care. He'll sit on his ass while Sauron kills everyone else. Fuck that.
Meanwhile its the like of Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas, Boromir, Faramir, etc. who are out fighting and dying to banish evil. And don't forget Chad Samwise the Brave who eventually becomes mayor of the Shire and gets the girl in the end.
He specifically mention the Swedes, not the Chinese. Even if someone conceived of such a thing somewhere in the distant past, you cant say hill, water, and wood meant hydroelectric power to Tolkien, when almost nobody even knew about such things at that time. The metaphor would be meaningless to literally everyone, hence it is not what he meant, obviously.
Hydropower. Not hydroelectric power. You’re conflating the two.
Originally, the mills in the industrial revolution ran on straight water-to-wheel-to-belt-to-machine water power. Which really isn’t all that complicated. Water wheels were used to power saw mills and grist mills for even longer.
It wasn’t until Edison like a hundred or so years later that mills converted to hydroelectric.
I only got halfway through the video but the leaps they make are not convincing.
Teutonic and Norse mythology have stories about power and rings and swords. They have omniscient wanderers like Gandalf who appear from time to time to direct things. They have humans, giants and dwarves and journeys and curses.
Clearly Tolkien knew those stories, maybe he just dressed them up a bit?
Tolkien literally based his work off Norse, Celtic, and Germany mythology and spoke himself at length how he did so.
That and he crossed the mythology of Christian angles as noble warriors of good, with the Norse Alfar, and the Celte Fae, which he anglicized as "elves," which is the origin of the modern "fantasy" trope of elves, like from DnD and World of Warcraft comes from. And it was only much later, hippy writers mostly in the 1970's who wrote elves into tree hugging hippies of faffery and stupidity and weakness. Tolkien's elves in particular were ferocious and terrifying, the kind of people who fought armies of demons, each demon so powerful they could kill scores and scores of humans, all before before lunch because it was tuesday they were bored.
It didn't hurt that ancient norse actually associated the Alfar with Vahalla and their gods, so there is that too.
Though I would caution from drawing any direct lines between anything since the medieval Christians basically muddied all the understanding of ancient Norse lore, then tried to fold it into Christianity to help "sell" it to the norse and germanic peoples. And what little is known is known though the eyes of christians because the ancient Norse and Anglo-Saxons were illiterate peoples who kept oral histories, all of which were completely lost as those people became Christian and literally forgot their own history. Norse historians have only the Islandic Sagas which were carefully recorded from interviews of skalds by a Christian priest in Iceland, something others in North Europe didn't bother to do. But you have to remember this is Iceland, a far, far flung nordic colony far removed from Norway, Denmark and Sweden by both distance, and centuries when the Sagas were recorded.
And WW1 and his personal experience fighting it was also a great deal of the inspiration for the War of the Ring in the book, in particular Frodo was his own avatar he wrote into the story, each of the hobbits one of his English country bumpkin friends, all who died in the war actually.
My knowledge of Norse mythology comes almost entirely from composer Richard Wagner. Basically, he did a Tolkien but in music. He took the Norse myths and condensed them into four operas.
His dwarves were ferocious too especially after they had forged a ring from magic gold that gave them unlimited power. Its first owner cursed it so that everyone wanted it for the power but it always destroyed them.
Yah, if all you know is Wagner, you are doing yourself a massive disservice.
Wagner is also the source of most of the "viking" stereotypes that are widely inaccurate, including portraying them as savage barbarians wearing animal skins scarcely smart enough to use a privy. Wagner was the height of the "modern" (dated by now) German Empire, and a desire to both glorify Bismark Germany, but also to deminish and slander everything that came before to make Bismark and Germany look ultra modern and good-er-est than anything that came before.
Also to show now the actual Nordics, the Swedes, Danes, and Norwegians were a bunch of backwards, stinky, savage dumbassses.
He is about as faithful and accurate as Victorian English writing about Irish fae folklore and turning fae, the vengeful, terrifying, all-powerful trickster nature gods of Irish mythos, into tinkerbell, a subservant follower of a magical runaway English child.
Because remember the Anglo-Saxons (today the people of roughly Hamburg Germany aka Wagnerville-Bismarkia) have about a 3 millennia long history of trying to convince everybody else they are real norse too, and that Oden sorry Woden, is their god, and that the stinky norse stole it from them. And if you recall, when they went bad-Mustache-man, (because guess what, the "party" was from Hamburg, they ALSO tried to claim norse heritage, mythology, and gods as their own, again.
(also Norse were known for basically being clean freaks that bathed 3+ times a week and would never leave their long houses with their hair braided and their make up done just right, while the Anlgo-Saxons would bathe one a month and lived in mud huts (look up wattle and daub sometimes) at the same time the Norse were building massive fir-wood mead halls.
If I link words to random words of my choosing I can put them together to make them say whatever I want, obviously. I don't think Tolkien said "Wall, wood, and hill". But of course if you say "Water = Wall" for no reason then you get what you want.
Water and a Wall is necessary to create a dam. Its Kinda far stretched but Tolkien was a master code breaker and knew a lot about sweden.
Its an interesting coincidence, especially because the wallenberg family controls all central banks in the world and the internet.
Hardly retarded if they are talking about mechanical water wheels to run something like a mill. That stuff is WAY older than the middle ages, and water wheels go back all the way to the 1st bronze age.
Now hydroelectric damns, yah I wouldn't quite believe it. But even far back as the bronze age, its known people in the Mediterranean would make simple acid batteries to eletro-plate goods often with salts of gold, sliver, or bronze. In fact its the origin of the idea of biting coins, since even as far back as the medival era people were well aware of counterfeit gold goods and coins made from plating lesser metals with a thin layer of gold.
And to say nothing of the fact the romans and greeks used clock-work computers. Many ages alter Americans would use similar devices in the Iowa Class battleships to calculate firing solutions for their guns.
The past is considerably more advanced than most people realize. They were not stupid, they just didn't have the pieces together yet to make advanced materials like steel in sufficient quantity to implement tech like steam engines. Like ancient egypt knew about steam engines, but rejected them because trying to hand-cast bronze was terribly expensive, and they has so many manual laborers, it was FAR cheaper to hire 10,000 men then try and build a very expensive machine that did the work of 100 men. Its the same reason modern India doesn't use caterpillars despite being well able to afford them.
If you refer to the Antykthera as a "clockwork computer", some people will think you are saying the ancient Greeks (not Romans btw) had something like what we think of as a computer. But in this case it was a mechanical device that tracked the movement of the stars. It was an achievement (in the fields of precision manufacturing and astronomical observation) but not as remarkable as people make it out to be. They had data on historical positions of the planets, used that to estimate circular orbits for various bodies, and used gears to make everything move together with as much accuracy as their incomplete knowledge of planetary motion allowed. Or at least that's my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong. If someone wants to make it sound even more impressive than it was, like so many Youtube videos, they call it a computer. By similar logic a calendar is also a computer. If you start with a known date and X out a day for every single day that passes, the calendar will always tell you what day it is.
Electroplating was invented in 1805. Not saying that there may not have been a very small group of elites with that technology in the ancient past, just that we don't have any actual evidence of it (that I am aware; again please feel free to supply any evidence to the contrary).
The Antykthera device didn't do any math. You turn a crank and it makes the planets rotate together. You could "observe" the rough positions of the planets, but the device did not actually perform any logic.
Retarded fucking video casually states as fact that the Swedes had hydro power in the 1200s, therefore Tom Bombadil (hill, water, and wood) represents hydro power. I would ask if you are really this gullible, but...
A brief internet search finds that the Han Dynasty in China conceived of hydropower over 2000 years ago.
Typically when we think of hydropower, we think of hydroelectricity. The concept of the water wheel is an ancient one that only recently (historically) was modified for use in the industrial revolution.
I think the spirit of the video was in shedding light on the Cabal's dislike of independence and self sufficiency. We can all be like Tom Bombadil if we choose, and live apart from the Cabal. The Cabal only has power over us if we choose to allow them to.
The carefree jolly Tom symbolizes what humanity will become once we are freed from the clutches of the Cabal's Central Banking system.
https://www.hydropower.org/iha/discover-history-of-hydropower
https://fuergy.com/blog/the-early-history-of-water-power#:~:text=The%20earliest%20known%20version%20of,in%20southern%20Europe%20and%20China.
I haven't looked in to homesteading, but I imagine it would be a hell of a lot easier without property taxes.
If the goal is to become like Tom Bombadil, then I don't want to see that ending, frankly. I would rather ride with the Rohirrim and fight beside the true king Aragorn (or, you know, Jesus, the true King of Kings when he returns).
The whole thing with Tom Bombadil is that he's great, but unreliable. He is a good spirit and he's not susceptible to the influence of the Ring even, but he's not going to trouble himself to go confront evil and defeat Sauron. He doesn't care. He'll sit on his ass while Sauron kills everyone else. Fuck that.
Meanwhile its the like of Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas, Boromir, Faramir, etc. who are out fighting and dying to banish evil. And don't forget Chad Samwise the Brave who eventually becomes mayor of the Shire and gets the girl in the end.
He specifically mention the Swedes, not the Chinese. Even if someone conceived of such a thing somewhere in the distant past, you cant say hill, water, and wood meant hydroelectric power to Tolkien, when almost nobody even knew about such things at that time. The metaphor would be meaningless to literally everyone, hence it is not what he meant, obviously.
Hydropower. Not hydroelectric power. You’re conflating the two.
Originally, the mills in the industrial revolution ran on straight water-to-wheel-to-belt-to-machine water power. Which really isn’t all that complicated. Water wheels were used to power saw mills and grist mills for even longer.
It wasn’t until Edison like a hundred or so years later that mills converted to hydroelectric.
No, you know I meant electricity
Further, the article you linked to mentions the Chinese using water to "pound grain". Not exactly the same as hydroelectric power.
You may be missing the overall point, but I also find videos like these worth an eye roll.
Even if I open my mind to things that seem silly, there are some things that are a bit of a stretch.
I only got halfway through the video but the leaps they make are not convincing.
Teutonic and Norse mythology have stories about power and rings and swords. They have omniscient wanderers like Gandalf who appear from time to time to direct things. They have humans, giants and dwarves and journeys and curses.
Clearly Tolkien knew those stories, maybe he just dressed them up a bit?
Agreed.
Entirely possible Tolkien knew about the DS because of this time as a singals officer, but the video goes off the rails after that.
LOTR is a metaphor for a lot of things, just like every great epic.
Tolkien literally based his work off Norse, Celtic, and Germany mythology and spoke himself at length how he did so.
That and he crossed the mythology of Christian angles as noble warriors of good, with the Norse Alfar, and the Celte Fae, which he anglicized as "elves," which is the origin of the modern "fantasy" trope of elves, like from DnD and World of Warcraft comes from. And it was only much later, hippy writers mostly in the 1970's who wrote elves into tree hugging hippies of faffery and stupidity and weakness. Tolkien's elves in particular were ferocious and terrifying, the kind of people who fought armies of demons, each demon so powerful they could kill scores and scores of humans, all before before lunch because it was tuesday they were bored.
It didn't hurt that ancient norse actually associated the Alfar with Vahalla and their gods, so there is that too.
Though I would caution from drawing any direct lines between anything since the medieval Christians basically muddied all the understanding of ancient Norse lore, then tried to fold it into Christianity to help "sell" it to the norse and germanic peoples. And what little is known is known though the eyes of christians because the ancient Norse and Anglo-Saxons were illiterate peoples who kept oral histories, all of which were completely lost as those people became Christian and literally forgot their own history. Norse historians have only the Islandic Sagas which were carefully recorded from interviews of skalds by a Christian priest in Iceland, something others in North Europe didn't bother to do. But you have to remember this is Iceland, a far, far flung nordic colony far removed from Norway, Denmark and Sweden by both distance, and centuries when the Sagas were recorded.
And WW1 and his personal experience fighting it was also a great deal of the inspiration for the War of the Ring in the book, in particular Frodo was his own avatar he wrote into the story, each of the hobbits one of his English country bumpkin friends, all who died in the war actually.
Thanks for the update. Very interesting.
My knowledge of Norse mythology comes almost entirely from composer Richard Wagner. Basically, he did a Tolkien but in music. He took the Norse myths and condensed them into four operas.
His dwarves were ferocious too especially after they had forged a ring from magic gold that gave them unlimited power. Its first owner cursed it so that everyone wanted it for the power but it always destroyed them.
Yah, if all you know is Wagner, you are doing yourself a massive disservice.
Wagner is also the source of most of the "viking" stereotypes that are widely inaccurate, including portraying them as savage barbarians wearing animal skins scarcely smart enough to use a privy. Wagner was the height of the "modern" (dated by now) German Empire, and a desire to both glorify Bismark Germany, but also to deminish and slander everything that came before to make Bismark and Germany look ultra modern and good-er-est than anything that came before.
Also to show now the actual Nordics, the Swedes, Danes, and Norwegians were a bunch of backwards, stinky, savage dumbassses.
He is about as faithful and accurate as Victorian English writing about Irish fae folklore and turning fae, the vengeful, terrifying, all-powerful trickster nature gods of Irish mythos, into tinkerbell, a subservant follower of a magical runaway English child.
Because remember the Anglo-Saxons (today the people of roughly Hamburg Germany aka Wagnerville-Bismarkia) have about a 3 millennia long history of trying to convince everybody else they are real norse too, and that Oden sorry Woden, is their god, and that the stinky norse stole it from them. And if you recall, when they went bad-Mustache-man, (because guess what, the "party" was from Hamburg, they ALSO tried to claim norse heritage, mythology, and gods as their own, again.
(also Norse were known for basically being clean freaks that bathed 3+ times a week and would never leave their long houses with their hair braided and their make up done just right, while the Anlgo-Saxons would bathe one a month and lived in mud huts (look up wattle and daub sometimes) at the same time the Norse were building massive fir-wood mead halls.
Water = Dam/Wall Wood = En Hill = Berg
Wallenberg, the family that controls investor AB . The master of puppets like soros and rotchshilds.
Sorry, "Water = Dam/Wall" ?
If I link words to random words of my choosing I can put them together to make them say whatever I want, obviously. I don't think Tolkien said "Wall, wood, and hill". But of course if you say "Water = Wall" for no reason then you get what you want.
Water and a Wall is necessary to create a dam. Its Kinda far stretched but Tolkien was a master code breaker and knew a lot about sweden. Its an interesting coincidence, especially because the wallenberg family controls all central banks in the world and the internet.
Hardly retarded if they are talking about mechanical water wheels to run something like a mill. That stuff is WAY older than the middle ages, and water wheels go back all the way to the 1st bronze age.
Now hydroelectric damns, yah I wouldn't quite believe it. But even far back as the bronze age, its known people in the Mediterranean would make simple acid batteries to eletro-plate goods often with salts of gold, sliver, or bronze. In fact its the origin of the idea of biting coins, since even as far back as the medival era people were well aware of counterfeit gold goods and coins made from plating lesser metals with a thin layer of gold.
And to say nothing of the fact the romans and greeks used clock-work computers. Many ages alter Americans would use similar devices in the Iowa Class battleships to calculate firing solutions for their guns.
The past is considerably more advanced than most people realize. They were not stupid, they just didn't have the pieces together yet to make advanced materials like steel in sufficient quantity to implement tech like steam engines. Like ancient egypt knew about steam engines, but rejected them because trying to hand-cast bronze was terribly expensive, and they has so many manual laborers, it was FAR cheaper to hire 10,000 men then try and build a very expensive machine that did the work of 100 men. Its the same reason modern India doesn't use caterpillars despite being well able to afford them.
They weren't talking about a mill.
If you refer to the Antykthera as a "clockwork computer", some people will think you are saying the ancient Greeks (not Romans btw) had something like what we think of as a computer. But in this case it was a mechanical device that tracked the movement of the stars. It was an achievement (in the fields of precision manufacturing and astronomical observation) but not as remarkable as people make it out to be. They had data on historical positions of the planets, used that to estimate circular orbits for various bodies, and used gears to make everything move together with as much accuracy as their incomplete knowledge of planetary motion allowed. Or at least that's my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong. If someone wants to make it sound even more impressive than it was, like so many Youtube videos, they call it a computer. By similar logic a calendar is also a computer. If you start with a known date and X out a day for every single day that passes, the calendar will always tell you what day it is.
Electroplating was invented in 1805. Not saying that there may not have been a very small group of elites with that technology in the ancient past, just that we don't have any actual evidence of it (that I am aware; again please feel free to supply any evidence to the contrary).
That literally what I mean about the clock work computers, using gears to do math, which is what the Antykthera Mechanism does.
The Antykthera device didn't do any math. You turn a crank and it makes the planets rotate together. You could "observe" the rough positions of the planets, but the device did not actually perform any logic.