Someone has to say it. Being a cop doesn't automatically make you a benefit to society. Sure, stable systems of law enforcement are good for society as a whole, here's why you'll never catch me waving a thin blue line flag.
Remember, these are the same cops who will:
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Lock you in jail for a dimebag of weed while everyone ignores Hunter Biden's crack habit and illegal guns.
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Will sit around while children get shot like fish in a barrel and fail to save many lives because when it comes down to brass tacks they're too chickenshit to do the hard parts of their job.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-leader-uvalde-police-response-abject-failure-85530945
- Shut down your business over covid ordinances and arrest you if you do not comply.
- Taze and arrest you on BS trespassing charges for refusing to wear a mask.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/woman-tased-arrested-for-not-wearing-mask-at-football-game/
- Show up to your house completely unannounced and demand to violate your right against unreasonable search and seizure without a warrant.
https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/get-a-warrant-or-get-the-hell-out/
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Enforce red flag laws and seize your guns with no due process.
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Confiscate your firearms once the bans lefties all want go through.
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Herd you into the box cars and take you off to the camps when it gets to that point.
So no. I will not fly a blue line flag. Nobody gets credit just for being a cop with me.
Every single cop needs to put their foot down, stand up for people's rights, and WALK THE FUCKING WALK.
Otherwise they're just as bad as the Stasi.
Fight me about it. Prove me wrong.
I keep hearing that "There are some bad cops, but MOST are really good guys"
Still waiting for those "Good Cops" to start doing good...
If all these good cops I keep hearing about actually stuck their neck out and defended the constitution we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.
Yep
Its true. Policing is just a w-2 job. They could be fired tomorrow and with that goes all their "authority". Our rights remain, no matter the circumstance.
As it stands, "Law Enforcement" was not part of the social contract. Peace Officers who protect rights are what we collectively agreed upon. Anything other than protecting rights is acting under color of law. Consent of the governed has been revoked. The Contract had been beyond breached, we have no agreement anymore.
Disband all LEOs who are not the Elected Sheriff.
Bingo. This is actually the best approach I’ve heard argued and would help reign in these fascist assholes. Peace Officers FTW! Fuck the police and the federali’s.
Spez for the smooth brained: ARMED PO’s with all the arrest powers that come with being a deputy sheriff. I’m not one of these nut jobs that think PO’s can do the job with out being armed. That’s some high-dumbassery right there.
I’m with you on this. Plus, how many times have we heard stories of cops shooting the family dog because they felt threatened? Give me a break. They mainly work for the evil empire because that is who the police chief and mayor answers to.
And...why aren't there ANY cops, or ex-cops telling his fellow patriots what's really going on in their occupation? This is why I don't trust cops. This, and seeing how they harass ordinary church people taking out the trash while criminals openly threaten the community. They don't appear to know the difference between law abiding citizens and criminals. Unless they are doing reverse discrimination.
In all honesty, I am not so sure “law enforcement “ in any form is constitutional as when constitution was ratified, we had no “law enforcement” in any form.
I have looked into it on many occasions and have found very little case law on the implementation of police, sheriffs and various federal police forces and authority.
Sheriffs seem to be the oldest, but the trail seems to go cold.
Can't prove you wrong. There are good ones and bad ones. But I also think you'll find that in most professions... good lawyers, bad lawyers. Good nurses, bad nurses. Good doctors, bad doctors. Good teachers, bad teachers. Good adminstrators, bad administrators. Good business owners, bad business owners. Good pastors, bad pastors. The list goes on. If anything we learned during the plandemic is that 'we the people' should have stepped up to the plate whenever we had the opportunity. We allowed this shit to happen. We didn't do our due diligence and question the mandates, the masking, the shots, the all of it! We are considered a free country... that's BS now. They took advantage of complacency.. and knew they could. Shame on all of us! I hope to God there have been and will be lessons learned and we never allow our freedoms to be so easily stepped on ever again. Something I've learned over the last couple of years has been how easily people just 'do what they're told' with seemingly no question on what they are REALLY doing (your examples above). We're all a bunch of wussies that need to get angry and start making a difference by doing THE RIGHT thing, even if it means job loss, income loss, license loss, etc... In the end, those are the people that will make a difference. Those are the people that will change history. Without bravery like that, we are just another commie controlled country, with no hope and no future.
True!
You also don't see lawyers rescuing people, children, animals from life threatening situations. Cops die in the line of duty. If you can't see the difference, then it is hard to explain. Most cops will die trying to protect the defenseless, most try to do the right thing everyday. Some succeed and some fail. Some cops are bad out of the box and some go bad over time. Dealing with the dregs of humanity day after day takes its toll on the best of them. If you haven't walked a mile in their shoes, it is truly a unique type of person that judges them.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pizza-guy-runs-into-burning-house-and-saves-5-kids/ar-AAZKs6b
Yeah you do. This pizza dude saved a bunch of kids.
And most cops won't die to protect the defenseless, just look at Uvalde. They sat on their phones while the defenseless were slaughtered.
Remember that time the Boston Bomber was found hiding in a boat by a private citizen, but the Boston PD threw themselves a victory parade?
If you believe that the Uvalde event was a FF, it is hardly a good example for proving your point. I can tell that you have very limited interaction with LEO's. What examples of personal interactions do you have that prove your point? Was it broken taillights and dime bags of weed? A fixit ticket is hardly an abuse of power, a bag of weed is only found when you have done something to attract their attention as a probable person of interest. What is it about you that attracts scrutiny from law enforcement?
I've had an female officer threaten to arrest me if I took her pen.
You have very odd interactions with law enforcement. I think there are certainly some interesting stories that you have about your meetings with law enforcement. I would hazard a guess that you are not particularly fond of authority figures in general. It sounds to me that you are possibly a rebellious type of person that questions authority and it gets you into conflict with any positions of authority. I am not disparaging you, I have the same tendencies. I think I just have tamed those impulses within myself and because I do have so many friends and family that are law enforcement, I have a better understanding of what they have to deal with. My sister was an LEO, a detective at the end. I have listened to many of her stories and experiences. She died earlier this year and was dedicated enough to keep working cases and trying to pass on her caseload to other detectives while on her deathbed. The concept of law and order and right and wrong drove her to try to put away all the criminals that came across her desk. These were genuinely bad people people doing terrible things. This wasn't traffic violations and minor drug offenses, there were actual victims that she fought to get some relief for. Catching the criminal doesn't undo the damage that had been done, but it did provide them with some relief and helped them feel like someone cared. The fact that half the criminals she spent weeks and months building solid cases on were released in a few months was genuinely painful to her, but she was in a deep blue area in a deep blue State. She knew the system was corrupt and she knew it was broken, but she also knew why. She knew what the agenda was, but she just worked harder to build up solid cases that were difficult to ignore. Ones that could make the news and force the DA's to take it to court. These are the cops you never see or hear about. She was greatly respected because she cared. Even after all the shit she saw in 20+ years of law enforcement, she still cared and loved her job. She loved tracking down criminals that had gotten away with serious crimes for years and helping to get them off the street and keep them from continuing to victimize the weak and helpless. She expressed anger and determination, especially for people that victimize children and the elderly. The weak and helpless are what will suffer in a lawless society. It isn't about you and your ability to defend yourself. Are you going to defend the weak and the helpless? Are you going to stop bad people from hurting those that can't protect themselves? For every cop out there that gives you grief for weed and traffic violations, there are cops trying to remove criminals that would prey on your friends and family, even you. We can't be everywhere and we aren't trained to follow the patterns of career or spree criminals. Do we just hope they run across someone who will kill them? This might be futile because the smart criminals can tell a victim from a predator, they target the weak and avoid those that may be a threat. The weak ones band together in gangs and have less to fear. The strong ones either lead these gangs or just go it alone. Only the dumb ones attack the strong victims. These end up in the news and die young, but they are the minority in the criminal world. Whether you like it or not, law enforcement are needed. The bad cops ruin the reputation of all the good ones. The news focuses all their attention on the bad ones to build up the agenda that cops are not needed and need to be eliminated. This will only lead to chaos and the unrestrained victimization of people that are weak and unable to defend themselves. This isn't about you or me, we aren't prey and are capable of protecting ourselves and those around us, but we don't actively seek out criminals and don't enforce the protection of the weak. We can't be everywhere and we can't help those when we aren't there.
Your mostly right, I do feel that way about authority.
And I appreciate that there are in fact good people out there in those positions. However, is it possible you're biased, and viewing your sister in an unrealistically positive light? Is it possible that she wronged people without your knowledge?
It's largely irrelevant though, I hope you understand. My comments are directed primarily towards a tainted system, which transforms good people into... well, something else, I suppose. There's something that happens to people when they're given too much power. They change.
The fact that they appoint themselves and investigate themselves, in particular is the source of their un-checked power which leads to their corruption.
The solution is to enable serious, impactful, oversight of police and law enforcement by a third party. Consequences.
Cops should be absolutely sure you've committed a CRIME before ever speaking to you, and when they do, there should be terror running through their veins, and they should be concerned for their own standing lest they are found later in court to have violated a citizen's rights.
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
The people fear the government, and and thus, there is tyranny. It's really that simple.
If Uvalde was a false flag, that makes everything 100x worse.
It means that there are infiltrators in depts and agencies that have an agenda. The enemy isn't the majority of LEO's, but someone that wants to destroy the foundation of this country. That is pretty much why we are all here, we recognize the true threat. It isn't our Justice system, it isn't our Christian based laws, it isn't the three branch government, it isn't our Constitution, it isn't our Constitutional Representative Republic. We are under siege, and if we don't concentrate on the true enemy, but divide ourselves and destroy our own structure, we will end up losing and devolving into chaos and a new Dark Age.
I’ve personally never had a good experience with cops. I see the theoretical need for them as a deterrent to crime but only if they aren’t the ones committing it.
I have NEVER in my entire life had an experience where I was like, "Man I'm sure glad I had that interaction with that law enforcement officer, that really made this situation a lot better!"
Not once in my entire life.
The last time I was pulled over, it was a Sheriff's deputy, and the reason was for an out of date safety.
Imagine the blank stare when I reminded him of his duty's to the constitution and that he was violating the 5th amendment.
If I had to, I'd put him at probably 85 or 90.
1000% the cops in this country are not even really cops, the organizatrions are all caps strawman corporations and they are basicaly paid mercenaries or security guards that enforce the policies of the globos. Next time a cop bothers you remind them that they have no duty to act and tell them to pretend your speeding or whatever is a school shooting and to do nothing.
The courts and judges are literally no better.
The entire justice and legal systems are terrible jokes. They spit on your face and tell you it's raining.
You are very right. I am not in support of NWO police - but I will say this. I believe a lot of the thin blue line-ers support “Law and Order” as apposed to the complete anarchist chaos that the left wants, starting with defunding the police. Yes, police are corrupt today but the point is not to support the corrupt police, rather to support the idea of law and order in our country. Saying “I support having a system in place” rather than the chaos
Ditto
My ex brother in law is a cop, and his rule of thumb was, if the girl was pretty, yet the car reaked of pot, booze or etc.. sje got away no ticket. Ugly girls same situation got taken to jail. I dis-rspected him and his cop buddies. Abuse of power.
A good percentage of police are Freemasons. They are loyal to them first and foremost.
You make valid points. Essentially, law abiding citizens should not fear or be intimidated by police. If they are, something is wrong. It could be the orders they were given. Example, I had an incident years ago when SUV's were a new style of car, different from a station wagon and truck. We had a city park where a main road went through that had a sign that said "no trucks allowed". I was stopped by a cop and given a ticket for being in a truck. I told him it's not a truck because it has regular car plates. If it were a truck it would have truck plates. The cop leaned down toward me and whispered, "I know but my boss is in that other car and ordered me to pull you over. Take it to traffic court, I'm sure it will be dismissed." Now, I could have got all hot and bothered over it and made it worse by going over to his sergeant's car and raising hell. I would have only made it worse and probably got arrested. I ended up taking it to court and won.
Sometimes the problem is rogue cops, sometimes it's their commanding officer or some department administrator. Can they be pricks? Obviously, yes. But they can also be honorable people that will help you when stranded on the side of the road. But I am sure glad they are there patrolling my area at night. Without them it would be like the wild west around my city, parts of which are loaded with crackheads, lowlifes of every type. When cops do it right they put their considerable pressure on the bad guys and keep things livable for the rest of us.
I would have politely asked for the sergeants attention, and make it a point to get his first, middle and last name, along with his badge number.
When you do that, it tends to shift things around in their minds a little.
Also specifically ask for the ticket, and tell them you're taking this to court, and then tell them why you're going to win.
Going to court, even to win, is a punishment in and of itself.
In my city, like many others, the police know the judges well. Piss off a cop and you're likely piss off the judge. It's not supposed to be that way, but it is. It goes from a simple motor vehicle infraction to a disorderly conduct charge. I took a photo of the no truck sign, found the section of state law dealing with trucks and car plates and registrations then copied it. I took a photo of my SUV and another of it with the plate listed on the ticket. At court I listened as the judge read the violation and ask how I plead and I said, not guilty. He looked over his glasses and said proceed. I pulled out the photos of my SUV and pointed to the license plate being the same one that was ticketed. I showed him the photo of the sign. Then I pulled out the relevant law and explained that the SUV falls under the car category for purposes of registration and the plate is issued at the dealer. If it were a truck it would have come with a truck plate. Then I said the officer probably wasn't aware of this but under state law my vehicle is a car and therefore I was incorrectly ticketed.
He smiled and dismissed the case. I went home pissed that it cost $10 to park and I took a half day off work but I stood my ground in court, came prepared and didn't have a chip on my shoulder. If you knew me you'd know that wasn't easy. I've been driving that same road through the park almost every day since then and always in an SUV with absolutely no problem..
Well I'm glad you made it through okay
Me too.
With a family history of LEO's , Firemen and military, I have to respectfully disagree with some of your points. There are indeed bad LEO's, there are also many more that are good. You don't hear about the good ones except for an extremely rare feel good story by the MSM. For every event you cited, there are hundreds of thousands or even millions of hours of LE interaction with their fellow citizens. What you are failing to realize is that you are falling prey to the MSM and the official narrative that LEO's should be disbanded. This is the exact same line as "defund the police". You have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. This is the exact same strategy the globo's are pushing with "gun violence". The globo's have corrupted organizations and LE departments and the upper echelons of entire Agencies. I work for the DoD and have since 1993. I can assure you that the DoD has its upper echelon corrupted and the system is broken, but I just continue to do my little job and contribute. I am not out there blowing the whistle on shit I have no direct knowledge of and am not in any way apart of, does this mean that I am complicit? I have no direct knowledge of virtually all the issues and allegations that I don't even know about until I read it here. We all like to lump things into nice neat piles and categories to simplify our lives, unfortunately, the world is not so simple. Most LEO's are retiring or resigning, if they can to get away from the corruption, I personally know quite a few. No, they don't want to throw their lives away, no they don't want to ruin their families future, they don't want to lose their pensions that they spent 20+ years working towards. Can they be counted on to fight on our side, yes. However, no one wants to be the martyr that kicks it off and no one wants to break the law. We are defensive by nature, we do not wish to incite or instigate violence, but we will fight to the bitter end when we are attacked. Dividing us is their only weapon, to keep us fighting among ourselves is the only way they can preserve their power. The LEO's all know who the bad apples are, but knowing and having proof are two different things. Don't fall for the division method and don't fall for the globo's psyops. Honestly, think of how many LEO's are out there, how many do their job without fanfare. How many incidents are you seeing that prove that they are all bad and should be done away with? The numbers aren't even close.
Can I ask you a serious question? And I apologize if this seems a bit spicy, but I'd really like to discuss this hard question with you from a standpoint of good faith.
Is it possible the LEO's in your family aren't as "good" as you think? Is it possible, that when they're out of your sight, that they abuse their power, a little here, a little there? Maybe because they're tired, hungry, annoyed, or in a bad mood?
If we were to sit down and somehow watch a film of all of the interactions between your family members and the individuals they exercised their powers against, with Jesus Christ himself sitting with us, and a few lawyers perhaps, how do you think that would go?
Would we see your family members as the gleaming paragons of justice you see them as?
Or would there arise ugly moments, not all the time maybe, but a little here, a little there, that would compel you to beg forgiveness for them?
Well, it is conceivable that they could abuse their power, but it doesn' t match their personality. Some people are law abiding and follow a code of conduct. It is partly the way we were raised, but the reason why I didn't go into law enforcement was because I don't have the self control not to cripple a pedophile, or disappear them. I follow my own moral code and the law doesn't always follow the same path. My brother in law is retired and he is a Marine that was nearly crippled in the service. A corpsman saved him and he managed to save his arm. He has always had the code and has always acted with honor. Some of us don't have flexible morality. I don't cheat on my taxes, I don't steal, I don't sleep with married women, I have solid Christian morals and behave like I am being watched. Temptations do come around, but I deny them. Believe it or not, some people have self control and actually do try to live life as if God is watching and judging.
I hope that you are that way, and I hope that your family is that way too.
I am a Canadian man who spent time at the trucker convoy in Ottawa. It will be a long time before I respect the uniform again.
They have my respect for doing a tough job that many wouldn't do. I agree that I'm not flying a flag for them though, because while they're not all bad, most are complacent and are "just doing their job" which includes violating all of my rights, as you said
Quality post.
Some very good points, my only argument would be--I think the military would be herding us into box cars, I am not sure they (the commies) would use police for this...
Valid points. There should be no blanket pass. All professions have bad apples. Until we as a nation see police are standing up for the Constitution and loyal to the people, not the government, there is no free pass.
Power corrupts.
A little power corrupts a little.
A lot of power corrupts a lot.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The cops have "a lot" of power, and thus, they are corrupt "a lot"
the fact that they appoint themselves and investigate themselves is so absurd it's kind of funny.
They also specifically pass over people with higher IQ's, opting instead for lower IQ individuals. This is a fact. And they do so even more so when it comes to high IQ whites.
All. Of. This.
I’ve long thought the same.
There are rotten cops. Had one about 7 ft tall try to intimidate me - at the time 60 yr old 5'2" gray-haired grandmother. He asked me if I knew who he was and what he did. I was dumbstruck he had a badge for goodness sakes I told him "You're a 7' tall cop who is a bully and your name is ________." He left. Tall but not smart
We hope and pray that cops will protect us if the shtf but part of me is scared they'll turn stormtrooper.
Cops and our military only as good as their chain of command, which seems pretty sucky.
I agree. There are way to many conservatives who will gargle cop dick all day long hoping for recognition as some upstanding citizen. Call me a prick but being a cop is a job, and one that they chose by their own free will. These same people make it sound like cops have the most dangerous jobs in the country when the fact of the matter is it’s not even in the top 20 for the US. You don’t see the same yahoos waving the “thing green line” flags for loggers when being a logger is significantly more dangerous. Why? B/c it doesn’t elicit a response from others.
Good cops and bad cops, not worthy of blanket hero worship or blanket villany accusations.
In the end the least efficient part of the government.
However, having none is not an answer.
Serve and Protect seem unimportant these days.
People aren't forming long lines to get the job, and I have met a lot of cops who have become jaded.
So you wouldn't call them if you needed them? Doubtful.
How about you tell all those dead kids at Uvalde how well calling 911 worked for them?
If anyone actually has the nerve to break into my house, I'm not calling the cops. I'm calling a coroner because they'll be taking away a body. Either theirs, or mine.
That's so metal dude. 200% agree with you
I strictly follow Hunter S. Thompson's rule of, "Never call 911."
Elaborate, please.
Using a ridiculously (inaccurate) brush here.
What's inaccurate about anything I said?
There are literally hundreds of reports every single day of cops going out of their way and above and beyond to protect, serve and help people. Instead of even looking for those you are focused on and amplifying reports of a handful of bad apples as are found in every organization. I am referring to yourself and your cohorts in this thread.
Those few good apples don't justify respecting all cops. I respect them as individuals. If everyone acted like them, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.
But too many of them are too apathetic and cowardly to stick their neck out, or worse, they're part of the problem.
NOBODY gets special accolades just for being a cop.
You ONLY get special accolades AFTER you fucking prove yourself.
Hundreds of thousands of them prove themselves EVERY day. Yet you choose to focus on the fringe cases........ just lie MSM and the left does.
Prove themselves doing what?
Hassling people over busted tail-lights and dime bags of weed?
95% of the time when a serious emergency happens cops just show up to shrug, fill out a report, and watch as paramedics take a body away.
The talking point here is "defund the police". Either they are fools or plants. Honestly, pushing the globalist division rhetoric here, of all places? Either way, you aren't going to sway neither fools nor infiltrators, so you can save your breath.
Fund the Militia.
I think every State should have a militia. Volunteer only, train on a quarterly basis. I know that some States already have this, perhaps informally without official sanction, however some States have a Constitution that all males over the age of 18 are automatically a part of the State militia. There is no training or official rank structure, it hasn't been used since the Civil War. Probably just like the draft.
the problem is that it's beginning to look like they're not fringe cases.
oh and by the way where are you hearing about all of these good apples? state funded media?
Absolutely not! State-funded MSM is all about defunding the police. Grassroots has tons and tons of first hand accounts of good people who happen to be cops.