There are already Bureaus of Investigation in each State, controlled by the State. The Federal branch is redundant and is only a control mechanism over the States. A tool of tyranny. Nationalized police is a communist concept that you have grown to accept. Essentially you are arguing for a communist ideology.
The 4th branch of government...the completely unconstitutional, unchecked with no oversight, over 400 regulatory agencies, with over 3 million employees. This includes all 3-letter agencies, FBI, CIA,FDA,EPA,IRS and on and on. They are all unconstitutional, they are the cancer that feeds corruption in our country. Select All/delete.
You're talking about the same 3 million people who sat at home and got paid with zero risk of reduced pay during the "pandemic". The poetic justice of them all being fired at once makes me smirk, but i think thats an impossible pipe dream. Will need to be a gradual, fair, and just process. The reduced cost for businesses due to less regulation and tax related expenses will offset to growth that allows new job opportunities. It's not like you're just dumping 3mil unemployed to the job market...it would be 3 million added to a job market that just kicked off a growth frenzy. The idea of any of those people violently rioting is an extreme exaggeration in my opinion.
However we need them to fund it properly. So when every day citizens contact the FBI for a case, we should not be told they cannot help us because their budget only allows them to take case work worth 10 million dollars or more. That happened to me.
But they have plenty of money to do far more expensive operations! Like flying down from Washington instead of using the Miami Field office.
It's beyond rotten and the good ones won't be able to stay and make any of this work with the bad guys still there.
The FBI should be totally dismantled everyone fired.
Then just start the rehiring process for the good agents the next day. Each state would have their hiring effort.
I believe this is the only way.
Any new agency put together in our day and age will just be more pants on the ground Homeland security style.
The good ones? Is the guy with a clipboard, who works on the death star and serves Vader a good guy? I am that guy with a clipboard, and it's really become a challenge to look in the mirror and find a good guy looking back. No matter how I assert that I'm good, there is always, "but you still work there."
If it were that simple I'd be gone. I'm still here because of the years that I dedicated and gave to "the Mission," that keeps me here. The hope that the mission, the Constitution I swore an oath to, and all the lives being risked for a different part of the same mission, will sometime in the future, somehow be restored, at least in part. It's optimism, patriotism, duty, and the firm belief, in the way it's supposed to be.
The FBI does need to be cleaned out and disbanded and defunded. Then, with more strict control to prevent biased targeting, restructured under another umbrella. Do we really need the FBI in every state? The states should have their own investigative team, controlled by each state, not by a federal bureaucracy. The FBI, CIA, DOS, DOE, IRS, etc. have grown so large and difficult to control. They believe they have power over us. Each state should govern its own citizenry. It should be easier to remove from office those who feel to empowered they become out of control. When federalize, the forget whom they work for. The answer is to not federalize everything.
I live in Michigan. Early in the plandemic (2020) we had a legislator go off the rails and verbally literally threaten the citizens. I called the FBI in Detroit to issue a complaint and got the response... "What do you want us to do?" followed by him promptly hanging up on me. I was actually frightened by what this meant for the future. Well the future is here.
Let's keep the FBI and make space force the branch of military that keeps tabs on them. Didnt they just get control of something.
Why would we get rid of the NSA
I agree fren. There are some 3 letters I think we should get rid of though. FBI is not one. Clean house and re structure with all this past mistakes in mind.
A boiled-down explanation of the federal government was create money for circulation, regulate trade within each state and outside countries, and protect them from invasion. The giant behemoth we have right now is so far out of its constitutional bounds that we may as well shred the original document. It must be very severely reduced in size, along with not replacing many things as a lot of its current functions should be the responsibilities of the states.
You made nothing clear. But you're right, it was a bit dickish to call you a doomer, when I just should have moved to the next post. I don't agree that we should restructure or keep any fed cops, because I'm a libertarian. I guess I was just annoyed by your delivery. You talk about yourself a lot..
I like the intention of the FBI, but unfortunately most of the people assigned to carry out that intention are corrupt. If the FBI is dismantled, I think it would be good if honest people replace them to carry out the good intention.
A data point for the future - the Marines are part of the Navy. The Coast Guard operates under the Dept Homeland Security. It used to be under the Dept of Transportation. Not to take away from your discussion, just kind of interesting.
Well, I'm not sure what you're asking, exactly. The Coast Guard is considered military, but they are not part of the DoD
Even though the Coast Guard is not a part of the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD), the Coast Guard is part of the United States Armed Forces (also known as the military). Technically, the Coast Guard is both a federal law enforcement agency and military branch within the Department of Homeland Security. Aug 2, 2022
They switched from Dept of Trans to the Dept of Homeland Sec when DHS was established, post 9/11.
The border patrol is also part of DHS, but they are not considered military, they are a federal agency
United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is the largest federal law enforcement agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security, ...
And the Border Patrol has federal jurisdiction for 100 miles inland at every US border.
As far as the Marines:
The Marines Operate as a Part of the Department of the Navy
The Marine Corps is the only branch that is independent but serves as part of another branch. Originally, the branch was founded as the Continental Marines in 1775, as a separate entity from the Navy. Then, in 1834, President Andrew Jackson expressed that he wanted the Marines to be part of the Army. However, the then-Marine Corps commandant, Archibald Henderson, had proven the branch’s effectiveness on sea, in addition to land, and so he persuaded Congress to put the Marines in the Department of the Navy. The Navy and Marine Corps have been considered “sister services” ever since.
The thing that got my noggin joggin is the DHS stuff. They have so many special powers, as an agency established during a "national emergency." And they are considered a federal law enforcement agency. Like .... the F B I?
There are already Bureaus of Investigation in each State, controlled by the State. The Federal branch is redundant and is only a control mechanism over the States. A tool of tyranny. Nationalized police is a communist concept that you have grown to accept. Essentially you are arguing for a communist ideology.
Truth.
The 4th branch of government...the completely unconstitutional, unchecked with no oversight, over 400 regulatory agencies, with over 3 million employees. This includes all 3-letter agencies, FBI, CIA,FDA,EPA,IRS and on and on. They are all unconstitutional, they are the cancer that feeds corruption in our country. Select All/delete.
You're talking about the same 3 million people who sat at home and got paid with zero risk of reduced pay during the "pandemic". The poetic justice of them all being fired at once makes me smirk, but i think thats an impossible pipe dream. Will need to be a gradual, fair, and just process. The reduced cost for businesses due to less regulation and tax related expenses will offset to growth that allows new job opportunities. It's not like you're just dumping 3mil unemployed to the job market...it would be 3 million added to a job market that just kicked off a growth frenzy. The idea of any of those people violently rioting is an extreme exaggeration in my opinion.
We need a federal force.
However we need them to fund it properly. So when every day citizens contact the FBI for a case, we should not be told they cannot help us because their budget only allows them to take case work worth 10 million dollars or more. That happened to me.
But they have plenty of money to do far more expensive operations! Like flying down from Washington instead of using the Miami Field office.
It's beyond rotten and the good ones won't be able to stay and make any of this work with the bad guys still there.
The FBI should be totally dismantled everyone fired. Then just start the rehiring process for the good agents the next day. Each state would have their hiring effort.
I believe this is the only way.
Any new agency put together in our day and age will just be more pants on the ground Homeland security style.
We need no feds at all.
Zero
None.
Nada
If needed we can let them investigate and then recommend state law enforcement make arrests.
The good ones? Is the guy with a clipboard, who works on the death star and serves Vader a good guy? I am that guy with a clipboard, and it's really become a challenge to look in the mirror and find a good guy looking back. No matter how I assert that I'm good, there is always, "but you still work there."
If it were that simple I'd be gone. I'm still here because of the years that I dedicated and gave to "the Mission," that keeps me here. The hope that the mission, the Constitution I swore an oath to, and all the lives being risked for a different part of the same mission, will sometime in the future, somehow be restored, at least in part. It's optimism, patriotism, duty, and the firm belief, in the way it's supposed to be.
The FBI does need to be cleaned out and disbanded and defunded. Then, with more strict control to prevent biased targeting, restructured under another umbrella. Do we really need the FBI in every state? The states should have their own investigative team, controlled by each state, not by a federal bureaucracy. The FBI, CIA, DOS, DOE, IRS, etc. have grown so large and difficult to control. They believe they have power over us. Each state should govern its own citizenry. It should be easier to remove from office those who feel to empowered they become out of control. When federalize, the forget whom they work for. The answer is to not federalize everything.
What about dismantling federal law enforcement altogether and moving that back to states and sheriffs?
Exactly. I was just trolling in my other post.
The Sheriffs and the citizens of the state.
Much easier to bring change on a state level than the federal level.
I live in Michigan. Early in the plandemic (2020) we had a legislator go off the rails and verbally literally threaten the citizens. I called the FBI in Detroit to issue a complaint and got the response... "What do you want us to do?" followed by him promptly hanging up on me. I was actually frightened by what this meant for the future. Well the future is here.
They were busy larping a kidnapping and framing some stooges.
Let's keep the FBI and make space force the branch of military that keeps tabs on them. Didnt they just get control of something. Why would we get rid of the NSA
I agree fren. There are some 3 letters I think we should get rid of though. FBI is not one. Clean house and re structure with all this past mistakes in mind.
CIA and ATF gotta go tho
Agreed. There might even be a fewothers. Those are 1 and 2 in my book.
Oh forgot about that one. Yeah definitely needs to go well said
And the FBI. we don't need any glowie fags.
It is the right thing to do and shouldn't be replaced with anything.
A boiled-down explanation of the federal government was create money for circulation, regulate trade within each state and outside countries, and protect them from invasion. The giant behemoth we have right now is so far out of its constitutional bounds that we may as well shred the original document. It must be very severely reduced in size, along with not replacing many things as a lot of its current functions should be the responsibilities of the states.
Doom much? Why not initiate the replacement, THEN dismantle? Much less drama that way. Did you oversee the pullout of Afghanistan?
You made nothing clear. But you're right, it was a bit dickish to call you a doomer, when I just should have moved to the next post. I don't agree that we should restructure or keep any fed cops, because I'm a libertarian. I guess I was just annoyed by your delivery. You talk about yourself a lot..
I like the intention of the FBI, but unfortunately most of the people assigned to carry out that intention are corrupt. If the FBI is dismantled, I think it would be good if honest people replace them to carry out the good intention.
all 3 letter agencies are unconstitutional. 10th amendment.
FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION. States rights and honest elections.
plus death penalty for traitors and fentanyl dealers
Armed citizenry.
A data point for the future - the Marines are part of the Navy. The Coast Guard operates under the Dept Homeland Security. It used to be under the Dept of Transportation. Not to take away from your discussion, just kind of interesting.
Well, I'm not sure what you're asking, exactly. The Coast Guard is considered military, but they are not part of the DoD
Even though the Coast Guard is not a part of the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD), the Coast Guard is part of the United States Armed Forces (also known as the military). Technically, the Coast Guard is both a federal law enforcement agency and military branch within the Department of Homeland Security. Aug 2, 2022
They switched from Dept of Trans to the Dept of Homeland Sec when DHS was established, post 9/11.
The border patrol is also part of DHS, but they are not considered military, they are a federal agency
United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is the largest federal law enforcement agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security, ...
And the Border Patrol has federal jurisdiction for 100 miles inland at every US border.
As far as the Marines:
The Marines Operate as a Part of the Department of the Navy The Marine Corps is the only branch that is independent but serves as part of another branch. Originally, the branch was founded as the Continental Marines in 1775, as a separate entity from the Navy. Then, in 1834, President Andrew Jackson expressed that he wanted the Marines to be part of the Army. However, the then-Marine Corps commandant, Archibald Henderson, had proven the branch’s effectiveness on sea, in addition to land, and so he persuaded Congress to put the Marines in the Department of the Navy. The Navy and Marine Corps have been considered “sister services” ever since.
The thing that got my noggin joggin is the DHS stuff. They have so many special powers, as an agency established during a "national emergency." And they are considered a federal law enforcement agency. Like .... the F B I?