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Some of them lean pretty Calvinist. I used to go to one and once I started learning about Calvinism I had to leave. It was too confusing to try to filter out the mixed messages about the God of the Bible and the god of Calvinism.
Most Calvary chapels I know about do not hold the Calvinist doctrine. Named Calvary because of where the cross was, not because of the doctrine.
Calvanism is a label they throw at you like anti-Semite and racist. All meant to keep you from the truth. If you are a saved believer in Christ it is on YOU to rightly divide the Word of truth.
"Free will doctrine - what does it?
It magnifies man into God. It declares God's purposes a nullity since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing.
It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man and the whole covenant of Grace dependant on human action.
Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners".
Charles Spurgeon.
You need to spiritually detox yourself from bad teaching which is practically found in every church. They are not about the truth but money. Any church that thinks the Jews are God's chosen people, get the hell out of there. If you see the Israel flag on church grounds, leave!!
The Bible says for many are called but few chosen.
Saul of Tarsus was on a mission to kill Christians until the glorified Christ stepped in and made him the 12th Apostle.
If a person becomes a believer in Christ, God did that, you didn't, the lost sinner "didn't get saved" wasn't won over by dispensational members of a water Baptist church going "soul winning" but the Lord did that!
When you share the good news of Christ, take God with you. Pray the Lord will save that person because the decision rests in the hands of God the Father not the sinner.
John 6:37
“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
Romans 3
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
I’d give you another updoot if I could for quoting Charles Spurgeon ⬆️
Thank you brother. Charles Spurgeon is one of the greats.
Amen to this!!
This is confusing, nothing good is done by us, but by God, so who does the bad stuff?
Three things you need to remember.
There are two kinds of people those believers in Christ and those that are unbelievers.
There are no Jews in the bible. Run everything through the 1611 KJV. In it the word IEWE shows up meaning either Judeans or Judahites, Edomites or Israelites, Esau or Jacob.
Todays word Jew means Judaism, Satanism, Baal, Pedophilia, Deception. Yea but what about Judeo Christian, Messianic Jew or Christian Jew? There is no such thing.
This is a favorite verse of Dispensationalism, which is false doctrine.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
It is scripture but yes they do quote that but the problem is they are not doing a good job with understanding scripture because of, for example their water baptism heresy when the greatest man born of women according to Jesus, John the Baptist said water baptism ended with him as the Christ would Baptize all believers with his Spirit. If I am misunderstanding you please let me know.
2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
Why do you believe water baptism ended with John the Baptist? Is this why?
Acts 1:5
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
This fact didn't stop Philip from baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch with water.
Acts 8:35-39
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
When Cornelius and his companions heard the gospel preached by Peter, and the Holy Spirit came upon them, Peter baptized them with water afterwards.
Acts 10:44-48
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
In 1 Peter, Peter compares baptism to the water of the Great Flood.
1 Peter 3:18-22
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Paul was struck blind by Yeshua and commanded to go to Damascus.
There he met Ananias, who restored his sight and had this to say-
Acts 22:16
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Paul was also baptized with water.
Just because believers are now given the gift of the Holy Spirit doesn't mean water baptism ever ended. There are many examples in the Book of Acts, some of which I referenced above, of new believers getting baptized with water.
Galatians 3:26-27
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Now, I will say this, the thief on the cross next to Yeshua did not receive a water baptism but his belief will save him.
Baptism is an outward sign of something that happens on the inside. If you don't believe Yeshua is the Son of God, baptism is meaningless.
Just as Cornelius and his companions were baptized with water after the Holy Spirit fell on them, baptism is something new believers should do as soon as possible.
If you believe water baptism ended, how do you explain the above verses, by the way?
Be a Berean..........Listen to preaching as you read the Bible along side.
Can you expand a bit on Calvinism?
Do a search on the word TULIP & Calvinism, and compare it to Aminianism.
I think you mean Armenianism?
Personally I'm a bit of both.
I usually get the spelling incorrect so I looked it up:
Arminianism, a theological movement in Protestant Christianity that arose as a liberal reaction to the Calvinist doctrine of predestination. The movement began early in the 17th century and asserted that God's sovereignty and human free will are compatible.
So what you are saying is that you are an Armenian Arminianist?
Sorry I didn't reply sooner. If you're a reader, I'd suggest a book called "What love is this?" by Dave Hunt. It's a bit old, but it has some great information. For newer information, try this website: https://www.beyondthefundamentals.com/ Some of their videos are pretty long, but not all of them. And there are "class notes" with PDF files you can read.
Another good (but older) book by a Calvary Chapel pastor is "The Dark Side of Calvinism" by George Bryson.
I've been reading about the different Great Awakenings, Calvin, etc.
are you talking about Calvin and predestination? I'm new to some of this, so wonder what red flags to look for.
Read Romans 8:29-30. This is one of the strongest predestination verses.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
John 6:39 is a great passage on that subject, as well.
Yes!
didn't realize the word 'predestined' was in the Bible, thought Calvin came up with it, thanks for sharing!
Predestined and election have similar connotations.
Do a word search in the New Testament on Election or Elect or Elected, you will see about 24 references all referring to those chosen by God for salvation.
This may upset a few, but bare with me when I say predestination is a misunderstanding of Scripture. It assumes before you are born, you are predetermined or chosen the go to Heaven but it ignores the omnipresence and omniscience of God and the gift of free will. You see, God as the Creator stands outside of Creation and literally sees everything, and every time, all at once. You know the first verse of the Bible, "In the beginning God created the Heavens and Earth." Get that, in the beginning so before this happened, there was no such thing as time but then when He created the Heavens (space) and Earth (matter) it was literally the beginning of the space/time continuum. So by this, knowing that God sits outside of creation, thus He also sits outside of time itself. So He knew me before He set the foundations of the earth, because He can see my entire life all at the same time. He knows the decisions I'm making, even to the day I was saved. Point is, I made that decision on my own, God just knew that I was going to, just as He already knows everyone else that is going to join me as a Brother or Sister in Christ. But that's not predestination, that's just God being God and knowing all of His children and the decisions they will make in life.
Sorry I didn't reply sooner. Yes, predestination and the rest of TULIP. I'm thankful that I spent about a year and read the entire Bible before I started going to church. And, the church I went to didn't start going all in for Calvinism until a new assistant pastor came on board. Things to look out for is "Nothing happens unless God allows it" and "God is in control".
From my reply to demonite10: f you're a reader, I'd suggest a book called "What love is this?" by Dave Hunt. It's a bit old, but it has some great information. For newer information, try this website: https://www.beyondthefundamentals.com/ Some of their videos are pretty long, but not all of them. And there are "class notes" with PDF files you can read.
Another good (but older) book by a Calvary Chapel pastor is "The Dark Side of Calvinism" by George Bryson.
You can believe in predestination and still be based. However, Calvinists are typically more "fundamentalist" in the sense they're really conservative and not as open to new concepts. To be honest, a lot of new ideas have gotten this country in trouble, so there's something to be said about it.