The following can BOTH be true at once:
- The Moon Landing was faked.
- Man has been to the Moon.
Okay, so how do we parse these two statements in light of what Q has stated?
False, moon landings are real.
Well, you must consider optics first and foremost.
Let's take things back to the 1960's. We've not been to the moon. We don't know what would happen if you step foot on the moon. We barely have figured out this whole space suit thing, especially as it pertains to piss.
And... We're in the midst of the biggest pissing contest in human history. The Space Race.
MISSION CRITICAL: Nothing can go wrong!
How do we know there isn't some kind of chemical or acid on the surface of the moon that will rip apart the suit and result in Armstrong saying the following words?:
"Tell my wife and kids I love them. Honey, I'm not coming home like I promised... Goodbye."
How do we know aliens won't pop out behind some rocks and congratulate us on passing their test to join the Galactic Federation?
How do we know the surface of the moon isn't being pelted by tiny asteroids that are moving as fast as bullets and can just lobotomize you in a second?
How do we know every gizmo on the lander is 100% foolproof?
How do we know one of your Astronauts isn't just gonna have a heart-attack against all odds, completely unrelated to going into space?
We can speculate all we want, but when it comes down to it, WE DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN!
It's not like going to the Moon is just as simple as a walk in the park.
Furthermore, it would have been in Soviet Russia's best interests we never step foot on the Moon. Sabotage is on the table.
Do we really want to risk it all on chance? When so many things can go wrong?
So...
MISSION CRITICAL: Nothing can go wrong!
That means if you have to lie, cheat, steal, fabricate, or fake the landings, you do it to ensure the optics are squeaky clean -- or as squeaky clean as you can get them.
But, and this is a BIG BUT!
You still have to prove to the Russians that you landed on the Moon. Otherwise, you'll never hear the end of it.
Nothing can go wrong, but you must land on the moon?
Well, there's the plan. There's the mission.
Get your boys to the Moon. Perform secret missions to do so, to scout it out and make sure that everyone comes home for the champagne and parties.
Keep the footage hidden away.
Do it a few times to make sure nothing can go wrong.
Rehearsals.
Then, get Kubrick or whatever director who you can trust to watch the footage and stage a fake landing, making it as closely modeled after the real landings as physically possible. Don't scrimp on ANY special effects. Give him the real footage for both inspiration and as background footage so he can splice together something really convincing, but not too revealing. Something believable and not too grandiose.
Most importantly... Make sure the real tech you used is not disclosed. Yup, you heard me. Hide the real tech you used, as best you can. If you have the opportunity not to, why show the finer details? We don't want anyone else looking at the footage and copying the technology. We got nukes now, so nukes being dropped from a Moon Base is a real threat. In other words, why show your whole hand if you don't have to?
Have the production go off seamlessly. Broadcast it live to the world through radio and then distribute the footage as far and wide as you can. Suppress any naysayers saying it's been faked.
Meanwhile, expect the Russians to call asking for 100% undeniable proof before they risk running a campaign calling you out for it only to fall into an optics trap that makes them seem like fools. They are just as careful as us; we must always keep that in mind.
Send them just enough of the real footage -- careful not to show your real methods and technology. Footage enough to guarantee they wouldn't dare challenge the claim.
And all this to ensure the Critical Mission Constraints:
MISSION CRITICAL: Nothing can go wrong!
Then we win the Space Race.
There's no chance of going to Mars. The Moon IS the bar, and whomever gets there first would always have been the winner.
Both sides know this. Both sides have agreed to this.
Why do I think this theory is plausible?
Because this is exactly what I would have done in the same situation.
I wouldn't risk a chance of seeing the mission turn into a tragedy. It HAD to be a success. The Fate of Nations literally rested on the optics of the landings. To do it legit, you'd only have ONE SHOT to get it right. So why not do it multiple times and put together a production that's squeaky clean?
That's my theory.
I believe we've been to the Moon many times before we said we did. What we all "saw" was a stage production using real footage spliced with a Hollywood set to ensure NOTHING COULD GO WRONG.
Those who worked on the project were sworn to secrecy. They were told we've really been to the Moon, and it wasn't a lie. They may have even seen more real footage than we have...
But the circumstances of the production will have gnawed on the backs of their minds and then they would have begun to question if they'd actually just helped pull off the biggest of boondoggles in history. They go on to leak "conspiracy theories" honestly presuming they were involved in a big lie, when in reality they were only involved in a half-truth.
The half-truth is that we HAVE been to the Moon. Probably FAR MORE than ever would be accepted by the general public, and we've probably not stopped going to the Moon like the official narrative proclaims.
Programs exist that are outside of public domain.
This is what I think has happened.
The Moon Landings as we know them are fake.
But us landing on the Moon is entirely true. Perhaps, even, more than true.
"Santa Claus may not be real, but at the end of the day the kids still get presents whether they believe in Santa or not." That's the logic our Government might have used to sell it to the higher ups.
It doesn't matter how the presents got under the tree, what matters is that there are presents.
It doesn't matter how or when we got to the Moon, what matters is that we've actually done it.
That being the case, why not make it memorable and say a fat man in a red suit put them there? Why not make it memorable and say the first words on the Moon were "That's one small step for man. One giant leap for mankind"?
That's my theory, anyways...
Occam's razor:
Or, we can't get to the moon via a rocket, but we can get there with German-designed anti-gravity spacecraft.
Kubrick could then film and fake the rocket mission, since we'd want to keep the anti-gravity tech hush-hush.
Or maybe if you go to the north pole, fall into the worm hole, and you end up on the moon? The nazis spent a lot of time at the north pole for some reason.
I've been in the "we never went/all fake" camp, but your theory is definitely worthy of consideration....good post
I always read this Q post and think about the importance of the comma. If you remove the comma it simply says "false moon landings are real"
https://rumble.com/v1hqx1i-astronaut-john-young-reporter-do-you-want-me-to-knock-you-in-the-head.html
https://rumble.com/v1hw16n-the-challenger-deception.html
When Armstrong took that very first step on the moon,........who was holding the camera? The video is not from above, it is from the side.
Buzz Aldrin, maybe. Just a comment.
Quite possible. Just found it curious that someone OUTSIDE the lander is taking a pic of the first step on the moon.
Truthful comments on this topic are banned on GA.
Part of the issue is that we have no idea what "truthful" is regarding this topic.
There are too many inconsistencies surrounding the entirety of the space thing, too many logical questions that can't be answered, too much math that doesn't work. Allen radiation belts? Moon surface lighting/camera angles? "Low earth orbit" being our outer limit? Fake weightlessness/water tank footage? Shape/size of earth? Operation Dominic? Admiral Byrd? Antarctic Treaty?
Frens, this is the OG Rabbit Hole, and something is afoot with it.
But we can agree that the official narrative is NOT truthful.
That's where I'm stuck at. I know we are being lied to, I just don't know anything else. Yargh!
Ask yourself the following questions:
How do you know the moon is a rock?
How do you know the moon rock is suspended in a "void"?
How do you know the moon is held in place by an unproven theoretical force known as gravity?
Why do you only ever see "one face" of this rock? Is it possible the moon is not a rock, but instead, something else?
Why doesn't the rock moon cause tides in the great lakes?
Investigate the answers you find from the lamestream scientism experts. And then ask yourself, how do THEY KNOW these things are true?
Could it be? Could it be, that everyone ASSUMES somebody else before them has "already figured these things out" and that's "HOW THEY KNOW"?
The real question is, how do YOU KNOW what's true?
I'd suggest that there is NOBODY that can answer these questions via personal experience. Everybody who claims to be an expert on these topics is simply ASSUMING other experts were telling the truth.
And herein lies the rub -> Assumptions.
Trying to suss out the truth or falsity of any "moon landings" requires you to accept dozens of assumptions to be facts.
I'd suggest to you that we've been told thousands of lies about "space" and "celestial bodies". But we're not allowed to discuss these matters on GA. So you'll have to tread lightly when commenting here.
I had thought that some footage was known to be a recreation (i.e. fake) not as deception but because the astronauts didn't take pictures for some reason and wanted to show what it was like. Maybe no camera, or the camera failed. Looking back it does all seem so crude compared to now.
Double meanings exist
My instinct says that the moon landing could not be done in '69 unless humans had help from extra terrestrials.
I'm not really sure it can be done now.
Now about those extra-terrestrials, I'm on the fence. What do you think?
Reread the OP.
re: tech
Utmost secrecy.
Did Russia have their own Roswell incidents?
Personally I think the Soviets and the US had a kind of mutually assured destruction when it came to calling each other out. Sort of blackmail stalemate.
If the US faked the moon landing, and the Soviets called them out, the US could have called the Soviets out on lots of things, Maybe the Katyn forest massacre, I don't know. The communists had many skeletons.
MAD works in the information sphere too. A weird kind of balance.
Unfortunately, no distinction is made as to "manned" moon landings.
Just no.
Watch from 20:45 for an explanation https://youtu.be/c69vZyE74Zg
NASA cams showing what’s going on outside the dome.
I won a camera like this in a contest in 1967. This was not quite the cutting edge movie camera of the day, but it was very small and light, and would have been just the thing for an astronaut in 1969. Kodak Super 8. https://www.etsy.com/listing/60012558/1967-kodak-instamatic-m12-super-8mm
No way man has been to the moon. The Van Allen radiation belt would have killed them in those half-ass modules with good foil decorations.
Rewatch Kennedy's moon speech.
Why was he so certain we could do it?
What if getting to the Moon wasn't the hard part.
What if he already knew we could get to the Moon?
What if the hard part was telling people HOW we got to the Moon?
Would humanity accept our first steps if they were based on a lie? Cheating? Using tech that's way beyond what we should be capable of in terms of human evolution. Sourced by unsavory means?
Please, do, listen to every word he said. The hard part would be the fallout from what we've discovered, unduly -- scientifically, spiritually, and philosophically.
Also, consider that the "Moon" may be symbol comms for something else entirely like Blackmail Evidence. If you possessed such evidence on a world leader, wouldn't promise to keep on the 'dark side of the moon' or 'on Mars' so it could never be exposed unless that world leader failed to act as you wanted them? Then, you'd just "Nuke" them with public exposure of that nuclear info.
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon
Here's a link to the transcript: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/john-f-kennedy-jfk-moon-speech-transcript-we-choose-to-go-to-the-moon
The problem for normies is to understand how a rocket work in mostly empty space.... but I also believe we never had the tecnology to achieve this result. Rockets can't escape earth gravity.
Michael Crichton books are chock full of secret tech. Written as fiction, they disclose Project Looking Glass and Yellow Cube, Time travel, earthquake machines, and CRISPR tech used for genetic engineering decades before the public knew. They killed for going against 'Climate Change' and 'Global Warming', or maybe he faked his death too. No coincidence that Einstein worked in a patent office, stealing patents for tech for use by the cabal.
According to Jason Rice, we've been to other planets to protect the native inhabitants from foreign and hostile alien invasions.
Does he provide any sauce or is it just some guy's speculation? I've never heard of him either.