The Military IS* fucking losing it
Disclosure: I’m AD and forced inoculated (not a pure blood)
We all know the reason the military vaccine mandate was unlawful (we never had a fully approved vaccine). Regardless, the military pretended they were issuing a lawful order. How do I know they were aware of the unlawful order being issued?
No service member has been punished for refusing this “lawful order.” Failure to obey a lawful order is punishable under the UCMJ. So why were members only separated but not punished?
To punish a service member, they are typically brought to NJP (non judicial punishment). From there they can go through the process and eventually end up face to face with their unit commander if need be. To date, no one has been brought to NJP for refusing the “vaccine.” They have only been separated from service. So why is the military not going after those who refuse what is claimed to be a lawful order? Why allow good order and discipline to wither away?
If the military forced refusers to go through NJP, at any point in the process that member has the right to request trial by court martial. At that point, it becomes very much a judicial process. This trial would then set legal precedent for the rest of the military….. The Military knows it would lose on the merits. This exact process is given example in Band of Brothers when Dick Winters requests court martial when he is brought to NJP on frivolous charges.
My ex got vaccinated because he gave into all the fear propaganda about loosing benefits and your position etc, all of that. I advised him not to because of this exact thing you stated.
Obviously, I did not stick around as if he cannot protect himself, he surely cannot protect me or future children.
The Marine Corps did separate those who refused the vax. Yes, some are still in. But the vast majority are now (unlawfully, in my opinion) separated from the service.
**it’s probably not a popular position, but I created my own vax card. I didn’t get any of the clot shots.
Hell yeah, that is the way to go rather than actually poison yourself. Good for you!! If I had ever "needed" a vax card, I definitely would have faked one over killing myself.
Nothing wrong with making a card.
Ha yes, the typical “you succumbed to fear” from the people without families to support. Honey, you left cause you didn’t love the dude…. I’ve seen this time and again, blame the guy’s job in the military to excuse yourself. My question to you is how many vaccines have you allowed get pumped into your body over your lifetime?
I’ll tell you something that you need to understand. This is a terrible situation….. because of circumstance. It’s easy for some of you to get on a high horse, but you need to understand why this is a bad situation. I have a mortgage, I have multiple car notes, I’ve got multiple investments that have a completely different set of bills I’m responsible for. You are correct, fear is what drove us. Fear that I was being forced to take a chance on the jab or intentionally force my family into financial ruin overnight. I don’t have the luxury of zero responsibility living right now.
The majority of military refusers are low ranking, newer military members who are young and have options in the civilian world. The other large chunk of refusers were the people at or past retirement. Very few refusers are past the 5 year mark, though there are many who did not want the jab.
Dude, I was dating the guy for 3 months, he was 25, I’m not sticking around for someone who can’t think for himself, protect himself, gives into propaganda, etc. I’m sorry you got so triggered about a woman leaving someone who has tainted their blood and will taint my future children’s genes.
I had lots,of friends at work cave,under vax pressure. They talked shit and then got it. I don't blame you a bit.
Your little speech just sounded all too familiar it was hilarious. I’ve heard it time and again, wether it be about vaccines, deployments, etc.
I’d have left him too if he was itching to get poked.
Bullshit.
You made your choice to follow the path of least resistance. Plenty of people with more to lose than you stood their ground.
Get off your high horse.
Sweet faggot thanks
I agree with you. Your damned if you don’t, damned if you do. But logically, if only you the service member took the jab (as I would have were I still mid career) you are basically sacrificing yourself for your family either way. Either jabbed and alive/healthy and still a source of financial support for your family, or jabbed and you may lose your health or life, but still (with military disability or insurance) the financial support for your family. You sacrificed for them, that is the truth.
Exactly the conversation I had with myself.
Brother I hear your plight and truly feel.for you. You signed up for.military, not the jab. The decision to get the jab must've been painful, and as any real family man would do, you did for family- not yourself. Family first, country a close second. Ignore the downvotes, they should walk a mile first. You've been (seemingly) sincere in sharing your story and I commend you for it..
Almost like the movie Sophie's Choice when it came to finally deciding to get the jab? Just know there's plenty of Patriots here who understand, sympathize w the pain you're going through and support YOUR decision.. and that painful choice simply for signing up to protect the country you love?
Hang tough, we know there's a Plan and I feel it includes some sort of antidote or treatment for those who took it, forced or not? Either way, you're an obvious Patriot and I'd ride with you any day
Thanks brotha. It’s astounding that people can’t understand the predicament forced on us. This is literally the reason it’s such a terrible situation. Hell I never wanted to take any vaccine in my life, but had to if I wanted to do any number of things (ie go to college). To think there are no vaccinated people within the Q sphere is retarded, still boggles my mind that some handle that fact.
"I’m AD and forced inoculated " Stop. I resisted and it almost cost me EVERYTHING! My lively hood, and my way of life. I don't want to hear that "I was forces" shit.
I’m guessing you are single, no kids, and virtually no responsibility to anything other than yourself? Just like the lowest ranking dudes out there who wanted to leave anyway, now they claim they the heros LolZ.
I will second this as the only uninjected male that I know of in my near and extended family. A good chunk of GAW can lack compassion about these things at times. I am 31 years old and extremely lucky that my employer embraces choice when it comes to the jab. I am currently single, and I definitely want my female companion to be unjabbed. I cannot write possible matches or connections off based on this "deal breaker" alone. I do feel for those who were scared about this shit. I was. Last summer I was mad/stressed as hell about it. I try to avoid putting people into camps like jabbed or unjabbed. Muh bias still clings but thanks to good people in my life like my mother and a close friend I am much more sympathetic and compassionate towards situations like these now. One take-away for me throughout this thread is the self-sacrifice of taking the jab regardless of the worst case scenario because self-sacrifice for the sake of your family. WWJD? I look forward to starting a family one day.
We’re pretty much in the same boat. Stay stronk and secure in yourself fren. Any woman that would deem you crazy or write you off for remaining uninjected lacks compassion herself. Not the kind of person you want to be with. Remain secure in yourself and your beliefs while remaining compassionate!
You're not a very good judge of people. Now go take your 17 jab and sit in the back of the room.
Lol I’m pretty sure I’m in the ball park.
Anyway, the point of the post was lost on some of y’all. I was just giving info about legit military happenings from within. Not proud to be jabbed. But again, wasn’t really looking to even talk about it. You think everyone here is unjabbed, but I assure you that’s not the case. Regardless, we’re all on the same side. Simmer tf down cowboy.
OK (bro hug)
Correct, separation has been the only result for the refusers. I know plenty who refused, are still in, and are still performing normal duties.
If this was truly a lawful order, these people would be immediately pushed into NJP. I know of a grand total of zero to date.
To me this is good news. Not ideal, but good considering. If you had it to do over, would you refuse the shot knowing you would probably just be separated?
I refused and lost my (civilian) job, but it's just me. I'd rather not judge those who had to make the decision with a wife and kids to support, not to mention UCMJ to contend with.
Thank you for your service.🇺🇲
Appreciate it. But it’s honestly just a job
I thought the military was distributing the Corminaty jab, which was officially approved by the FDA. Civilians aren't allowed that version, however.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccines
Comnarity didn’t exist at the time of the mandate. But it was fully approved. That approval is what the military used to force the Pfizer/BioNTech jab (not comnarity).
Per Law (which they conveniently ignore) they can’t make you take the EUA version. And per FDA regulation they can’t go back and relabel the EUA as the approved version.
Even if you look at the Pfizer fact sheets they say they are ‘legally distinct’.
So maybe troops could try this delaying tactic. “I would take the approved version but alas I can’t find it anywhere. But I’ll keep looking for it.”
It's never been released in the us.
Not it is ever likely to be released.
As far as I know they are forcing the EUA version on troops because Pfizer isn’t even making the approved version Comirnaty. Completely unlawful.
They all wanted to play the world's biggest ever game of Chicken.
Sorry you felt you had no choice. That is a terrible situation. You want to 'be there' for your family by supporting them financially, but risk that you won't 'be there' for them if you have a bad reaction to the shot. Terrible.
Since you brought up this whole issue of refusers and NJP, I'd appreciate it if you'd answer this question from your perspective; why didn't you (and others, though you can't answer for anybody else, I realize) use the full force of the US Constitution to refuse the shots? What I was told when I asked this of someone else was that when people join the military they actually give up some of their constitutionally protected rights. That makes no sense to me. Is that why you felt cornered into taking it? Also, reading through the comments I saw comirnaty brought up. My understanding is that that version was never even produced, it wasn't going to be produced until 2023 and pfizer has since scrapped plans to even do that.
Correct, comnarity wasn’t/isn’t being produced. I have heard recently it may be but I’m uncertain.
The constitutional point is a weird grey area (on purpose). We are protected by the constitution. But the military has the right to make us get vaccines (fully approved). It’s common place to be given a whole array upon entering. It’s also common to be required certain vaccines when deploying to certain areas.
The reason I felt compelled was due to timing. When the military decides something (pentagon) they expect a quick return on order for these things. So we all get threatened with separation. As in, if you do not take this within three month you’ll be forced out thank you for your service. I fought it to the very last day, but the bureaucracy doesn’t allow dissent. My job is to decide what orders are lawful and unlawful. I deemed this one unlawful and did as much as possible to push that message up. At the end of the day, I felt I couldn’t chance hurting my family.
It is very unconstitutional what happened and I continue to fight it from within. We don’t lose our rights, but we do forfeit some privilege. Unfortunately those two things are quite often misinterpreted
Thank you for answering. I hope you are on one of the de-tox programs.
My son was a Sargent in the Army National Guard Reserves and he is being discharged for not taking the shot. The military keeps rescheduling his official "reprimand". In the meantime, he is considered AWOL, has lost all of his benefits, has to pay back his re-sign up bonus and is being threatened with legal actions. He served for 7 yrs, starting at 17 yrs old! I'm beyond livid at this administration!
Does anyone think the military just gave saline to active duty? I know there were family members affected with some post-vax harm. (Ron Johnson's seminar) but the military readiness would be severely compromised by this jab. I am not hearing of the high numbers of vax injuries to the actives. And you would think the vax 'events' would be more prevalent in the military pop. Mostly young, male, athletic and frequent physical exertion via training. Also, would military take the chance with their pilots possibly suffering SADS while in the air?
16 year plan back in full swing.
Truth