Trump: « Death penalty for drug dealers and human traffickers »
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It needs to be said - again and again
Civilized societies reserve the death penalty for only the most heinous, egregiously inhuman acts
Human traffickers yes
Drug dealers no
Adults selling products to other adults who want to use them, inside their own bodies, which they own outright, simply does not rise to the level of trafficking infants and children for the purposes of psychological abuse, gang rape, satanic rituals, and other horrific torture.
I would say prove me wrong, but that is categorically impossible.
I agree with u on the drug dealers part. I was one of those in the past. Really small time one. I dont believe he is truly talking about the small time one. Rather those that mass produce them and traffickers
This is the difference, and I feel it’s implicit.
Trump had an alcoholic brother. I'm sure he feels strongly about it, watching his loved one go through that. That's probably partially why he never done drugs or alcohol.
Still IMHO there is no justification to use expand the death penalty in this way.
No offense to anyone esp. Trump but it's either fantasy, adorable naivete or utter lunacy to believe that declaring the death penalty for selling products will stop the sale of the products.
If the drug war has succeeded in any way at all, it is in this one single regard: we know for a fact that, no matter what, people who want to use drugs will get them. Period.
I say let them. I don't rail at people for drinking their guts out every night. I just let them do it. It's their choice.
Are you Christian?
It's a start though. People will always seek to get high your correct. However cutting off the supply chain is a huge thing. Death penalty would stop some but not all. There is no one action that will stop it completely. It must be a combination of multiple things. I believe applying the death penalty atleasy shows the seriousness they have to stop it.
Cool. Now do gun control.
Prominent (and totally correct) right-wing argument: Making guns illegal won't stop people from having guns.
So we also observe that: Making drugs illegal doesn't stop people from having drugs.
Neither will killing people selling products to adults who want them. Now, selling to minors, as with alcohol and tobacco, should remain illegal. But govt has no legitimate right to commandeer free adults' bodies and dictate what goes in and what doesn't — just like with the pseudo-vaccine.
I disagree and the gun comparison doesnt work because I'm not saying simply making drugs illegal. I'm saying going after the huge drug producers and traffickers. This will most definitely stop alot of drugs being spread across the world. Also I strongly disagree with ur view that drugs should be legal just because we have a right to put in our body what we choose. Because drug addicts end up effecting the community and a whole at some point. Either theft, destruction of stuff, violence, money invested to help them, so many things. We should be trying to better society not allowing drugs to destroy it
I agree. Years ago I watched a video about ISIS that showed them crucifying drug (weed) dealers in the streets and leaving them there as a message to others of what will happen to you if you sell drugs.... I don't want to be like ISIS.
Drug dealers are morally the same as slavery. They make money by taking away other's ability to choose.
Death is too kind for them.
When you say “drug dealers” you mean pharmacists right?
Physicians created the opioid epidemic.
Also, ivermectin works, no matter what your doctor says
Anyone who profits off of violating other's rights are worthy of severe punishment, according to the degree of violation.
In the case of drugs, legal or not, prescribed or not, addictions can turn otherwise good people into slaves. And breaking addictions are almost impossible.
People who sell drugs knowing that they are addictive, and not taking extreme precautions to prevent addiction, are worthy of severe punishment if not death.
Those who intentionally get people hooked so they can make a few bucks are worthy of death.
IMO if someone is selling a drug that is either mislabeled or cut with something else, that's an issue. However, if someone is selling a clean compound that is labeled appropriately, to someone who wishes to buy said compound, how is that an issue?
A person's rights are not being violated when they buy a compound that they are fully aware can cause harm. Do you think there is anyone out there buying a bag of heroin who can straight up honest to god say "oh, I had no idea this was addictive or could cause me harm"? I feel like what you're saying is actually more relevant to doctors than to street "drug dealers", as when a doctor prescribes certain things like benzos for example, they often don't inform the patient of the dangers. And when a doctor prescribes something, it's coming from a position of authority so there isn't the same assumption that it's likely unsafe, that you'd get when purchasing something off the street.
I personally feel ALL drugs should be legal, and it should be up to the individual to decide what they do or don't want to put into their body. I feel like it'd be nice if those selling would include some form of informational booklet or whatever that informs their client of what they're taking, along with potential dangers. But I still feel like it's up to the individual taking said compound to properly inform themself of the potential dangers, and take the appropriate precautions.
TLDR: It's not my dealer's fault if I get addicted to meth or something, it's MY fault for buying said compound and taking it.
Our disagreement on this point could not be more fundamental and powerful.
Every day, lifelong addicts freely CHOOSE to finally go to rehab and get clean and sober.
If I sell you a knife, and you choose to cut or kill yourself with it, that was your freedom to choose. Same with guns, cars, liquor, or anything else that can kill you.
If you aren't also advocating the death penalty for liquor shop cashiers and owners, and brewers and distillers, then you need to start doing that, or stop advocating it for sellers of OTHER lethal and addictive drugs.
With liberty comes responsibility. Selling drugs is bad. But it isn't murder. And people retain the freedom of choice throughout life to buy them or not.
I advocate rehab and education instead of the colossal failure known as the Drug War, incarceration and public shaming.
The very definition of "addict" or "addiction" is that they have lost the ability to choose anything.
For the same reason why we do not grant children the right to choose anything, we should not grant addicts any rights at all, because they are incompetent.
Those who MAKE them incompetent have deprived them of rights.
A knife is a tool, a very useful one. I keep one with me almost all the time.
Do I lose my freedoms because I have a knife? No, it expands my freedoms. I can do things I could not otherwise do without it.
Do I lose the ability to choose when I have a knife? Of course not.
You don't know me.
Alcohol sold for consumption is one of the worst evils in our society. It SHOULD be banned, and the distribution of it should be a capital offense.
Alcohol IS useful as a medicine or for all sorts of things. But those who hawk it as "It makes you popular with the ladies" are a great evil and plague on the world. Those who say "I can't function without alcohol" are addicted to it, and those who got them addicted to it should be held accountable for that.
Granted, alcohol addiction is MUCH easier to overcome than, say, opium or other drugs.
Tobacco is the same way -- it creates a dependency that is extremely difficult to break.
Factually false. Obviously (and fortunately), you have never been, or lived with, an addict.
The hardcore addicts who have been using heroin, cocaine, meth, etc., and enter rehab aren't magically free of their addiction because they happened to choose to get their life back together. They are addicts. And they have freedom of choice. They used it to get clean. It happens every. Single. Day. Celebrate it.
Then you my friend are in a group of one, on an island all by yourself.
This concludes our interaction about this topic.
Propaganda. Having lost the point, you revert to pointless argument for argument's sake.
I see you are a prophet then.
That's sarcasm by the way.
I find it very interesting that you are incapable of arguing without resorting to logical fallacy after logical fallacy.
Regardless, having worked with addicts, I know all too well to set expectations to low, very very low. Addicts lie, they cheat, they steal. You cannot trust them. That's why you need someone to check in on them every day. You teach them that they need to stop using, and you teach them what to do when they do start using again anyway. It's not so bad with tobacco -- the worst they do is shorten their life and make things smell bad. But with other harder drugs, they all too often end up in deep trouble.
Case in point: Recently a man came to our church and gave up alcohol. Things were fine for a long while. Then he started drinking a little -- no big deal right? Then he cleaned up, but got drunk again. Rinse repeat for a few years. Guess where he is now? Thankfully he's in jail for getting his 3rd DUI. I say thankfully, because even in this small rural town it's not uncommon to hear about so-and-so dying from a drunk driver. Thankfully he is in jail because he could've been another statistic, or another box in the morgue. What is the chance he will ever stop drinking completely? From experience -- very low. Maybe after a few years in prison he will rethink his priorities. Maybe now he will take his addiction seriously. I don't know, because most don't.
The morgue disagrees. The chance of an opium user to survive past a certain point, even with rehabilitation, is closer to 0% than 100%. Yes, they often get clean for a certain period of time. Then what happens? They start using again. If the first time doesn't kill them, then the second time they clean up and start using again will.
Having known people who have become addicted, having known the rare addict who has recovered -- and knowing that part of recovery is knowing you are an addict -- and being too scared to touch alcohol let alone other things because I know for a fact addiction runs in my family -- It's much better to lock up all the drug dealers, and execute the pushers, at least.
I think drug dealers will soften to fentanyl dealers. Which should be the death penalty
With their own product. Don't waste the lethal injection juice - it's hard to find.
Guillotine is quicker and also guarantees a result.💐
I’d add:
Actually I was born before France had forbidden the death penalty. The people paid a lot for this idiotic decision. It was partly based on Victor Hugo’s « The last day of a condemned man » which he erroneously described as someone capable of great eloquency and capacity to acknowledge his own errors. I don’t recognize the Wokesha Christmas Parade killer as such a virtuous inmate.
Singapore? Add spitting and spitting out gum in street.
I think he’s referring to Fauci, Moderna, Pfizer, and vax pushers as well.
Based on a recent story of some state National Guard troops now being sent to the southern border: Perhaps DJT was foreshadowing the effects, of what a sustained border smuggling crackdown, will have on drug dealers and human traffickers. They won't have anything to sell anymore, and the bosses will have them expended/killed.