From the article:
A judge has ruled that a federal law banning guns that have had their serial numbers removed is unconstitutional.
The law at issue prohibits any person from transporting a gun with the serial number “altered, obliterated, or removed,” across state lines. It also prohibits them from possessing such a gun if it has ever been transported across state lines.
Serial numbers were first required by the federal Gun Control Act of 1968 to allow guns to be traced. They were adopted in an effort to prevent illegal gun sales.
The decision filed on Oct. 12 (pdf), written by U.S. District Judge Joseph Goodwin in Charleston, West Virginia, blocks the law from taking effect.
The decision comes in a criminal case involving an Ohio man, Randy Price, whose gun that had its serial number removed was found in his car at a traffic stop in Charleston. He was charged with illegally possessing a gun without a serial number, and also with illegally possessing a gun as a felon. Price had previously been convicted of involuntary manslaughter and aggravated robbery. Goodwin dismissed the former charge, but left in place the latter.
Price argued that the law banning possession of a gun without a serial number is unconstitutional and cited a landmark ruling (pdf) by the U.S. Supreme Court in June this year, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. The ruling stated that the government cannot restrict Americans’ constitutional right to carry firearms in public for self defense, unless the restriction is “consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.”
“Only if a firearm regulation is consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s ‘unqualified command,’” Thomas wrote.
Goodwin, a nominee of President Bill Clinton, found in his decision that the federal ban on guns with removed serial numbers is not consistent with the United States’ “historical tradition of firearm regulation.”
He noted that a firearm without a serial number was not considered more dangerous compared to other firearms in 1791, when the Second Amendment was adopted. At the time, “serial numbers were not required, or even in common use,” he said, adding that the serial numbers “arose only with the advent of the mass production of firearms,” putting it outside of the “historical tradition of firearm regulation.”
“Any modern regulation that does not comport with the historical understanding of the right is to be deemed unconstitutional, regardless of how desirable or important that regulation may be in our modern society,” Goodwin said in his decision.
“While I recognize there is an argument … that firearms with an obliterated serial number are likely to be used in violent crime and therefore a prohibition on their possession is desirable, that argument is the exact type of means-end reasoning the Supreme Court has forbidden me from considering,” he also wrote.
The government argued that the federal ban is constitutional because it is a “commercial regulation” that does not infringe on Americans’ Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. But Goodwin determined that the law is not a commercial regulation because it criminalizes the possession of firearms without a serial number, regardless of whether they are sold.
Sounds like progress to me.. Guns are way more effective when nobody knows who might have them.
no membership
https://www.theepochtimes.com./judge-rules-federal-ban-on-guns-with-removed-serial-numbers-is-unconstitutional_4795949.html
"shall not be infringed"
The founders literally owned warships. I don't understand how any ownership restrictions can be constitutional.
people always forget the cannons, warships, and militias.
Serial numbers are only good if my gun is stolen and I’ll give the government the number at that time so they can help me get it back if it is found. I will then sell it and make a new one with a née number they can have if it is ever stolen. See, serial numbers have a use, just not for registration.
Agreed.. much like engraving MY NAME , or any identification mark I CHOOSE, on any other tool or item I OWN …
I had a pistol stolen and cops won't do anything about it. They are generally good though...
When a "felon" serves time and regains rights, 2A needs to be included. The idea that if you are ever convicted of a crime, you no longer have the right to protect yourself, family, property is asinine.
I'm ok with restoring gun rights to non-violent felons.
It really should be case dependent. Ultimately I believe that if you’re too dangerous to be trusted with a firearm then you are too dangerous to be free at all, as weapons are everywhere and one’s own imagination is the only limiting factor. I have a good friend of mine that spent quite a few years behind bars for murder charges, which ultimately got lowered, and I would trust that dude with my life without a doubt. On paper though you’d be locking your doors if he came in your neighborhood.
yes...and most willingly took the vax and will next time as well
And voting
Agree except for those who commit violent crime!
They shouldn't get out if they are violent.
Absolutely 💯
Funny. So were the Founding Fathers rambling idiots; or did they decide that people who commit heinous acts need to not be allowed that capability to do that again?
Seems if you made a decision to commit one Felony; you made a decision that includes risking voting and owning firearms. You knew that when you committed the crime. Now all of a sudden, you are too “special” to lose the rights?
Sorry, I am on the victim’s side. You made your decision; man up and accept your consequences
In the founders time they hanged horse thieves... No doubt that manslaughter/murder == a loss of rights back then.
You could be hanged for stealing a chicken. Stealing food could cause the other to perish.
You do have a point about the "founding fathers", at least if you are talking about the ones who passed the law in 1968. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922
Aside from that, our legal system is so corrupt, only a small % go to trial...most charged enter a plea rather than fight the overwhelming power of the system. Most felonies aren't "heinous acts" either. Furthermore, learn something about recidivism rates. "were the Founding Fathers rambling idiots"... BaHahAha...
https://thelawdictionary.org/article/how-can-a-convicted-felon-receive-firearm-rights/
https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/felony
I would just as soon execute the Felons and be done with them. They are neither an endangered nor desirable species. They are predators who seek to benefit themselves by becoming a parasite upon others. I have little pity for ticks, fleas and leeches as well.
The more these degenerates are tolerated; the more their behavior spreads. I like how Brazil is currently handling motorcycle thieves. Destroy by any means necessary. We need more of this, not less
So you were referring to the 1934 founding fathers. I hear you can get property in Brazil cheap.
As valid an argument as ranting about a misspelling Felons are lucky they ever see the light of day. They cry for mercy after they are caught and sentenced. But funny that they didn’t consider this aspect while preying upon others
Firing squad for all those J6 mofos!... was no reference to spel'n bro
Trespassing is not a Felony Being invited into a building is not a trespassing
The Jan 6th protesters are political prisoners, and felonies have been committed against them.
Setting fire to a Fed Building is a Felony Illegal voting is a Felony Deprivation of Civil Rights by Color of Law is a Felony
Justice has been corrupted. Dinesh D’Souza was convicted of a Felony, which was just, he admitted to breaking election laws. But others are known to have done the exact same thing and were never charged.
One definition of tyranny is the unequal application of Justice.
They didn't decide to take the felons guns at least until after he was hanged, beheaded or run through or shot dead.
Good.
I own it.
I can do what I want with it.
It's my private property.
Mine.
The Bruen ruling is an extreme happening. It is forcing lower court judges to interpret gun laws based on original laws back when the Bill of Rights was written.
"Most significantly, Bruen rewrote the methodology lower courts defer to when evaluating the constitutionality of a gun law, prescribing that it must have a well-established analogue in American history. Specifically, the 77-year span from 1791, when the Second Amendment was ratified, to 1868, when the 14th Amendment was ratified."
https://www.thetrace.org/2022/08/nysrpa-v-bruen-challenge-gun-regulations/#:~:text=Bruen%3A%20A%20recap,special%20need%20for%20self%2Ddefense.
How many gun laws existed between 1791 and 1868?
good decision, but we all know some liberal fuggin wacko judge on a Appellate court will over turn this
No I don't think so. Read about the Bruen decision.
https://www.thetrace.org/2022/08/nysrpa-v-bruen-challenge-gun-regulations/#:~:text=Bruen%3A%20A%20recap,special%20need%20for%20self%2Ddefense.
"Most significantly, Bruen rewrote the methodology lower courts defer to when evaluating the constitutionality of a gun law, prescribing that it must have a well-established analogue in American history. Specifically, the 77-year span from 1791, when the Second Amendment was ratified, to 1868, when the 14th Amendment was ratified."
This is from the Supreme Court. No appellate court is overturning the Bruen decision and that changes the way gun laws are tested. This is HUGE!!!
I know that an appellate court can't over turn a USSC decision, however they can over turn this district court judge...and they probably will even if it only buys some time or fires up the cult
The issue about serial numbers is the following. The Feds will provide ghost guns for their contacted killings, and drug operations with gangs and cartels regardless of the serial numbers law.
We should form militias across the country, and it should be clear and beyond any reasonable doubt, it is to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the United States.
I've heard my state has a really amazing militia.
'Prohibition' (gun control) was the greatest failure in the history of American law. Why not make criminal control laws? Because they do not care about crime, they want Control.
"Judge" "rules"
Sic Semper Tyrannis
We're moving back to the Constitution. Woohoo! 🇺🇸🎆
We had two guns stolen about 35 years ago. Students skipped school and stole from school district employees. We literally were told we could not get one gun back because the robbers filed off the serial number. We finally got it back. The gun purchaser never was charged with anything even though he bought a gun for $20 with no serial number. The robbers were juveniles and barely punished.
I do believe sll government firearms have a serial number. Otherwise they'll sell them to start ward MD we the people won't be able to trace them.
And this ruling is just and correct and the one I choose to follow.
Surprise. Surprise. And a good morning to all of you.
I wonder what this does to the ATFs new ruling that 80% lowers need to have a serial number? Recall that 80% was the former ATF recognization of what was not considered a firearm, despite the obvious fact that an 80% complete firearm is incapable of shooting anything.
Next, the ATF will include the forearm as part of the firearm.
How about the shoulder thing that goes up?
Forearms first, then shoulders. Corrective glasses after that.
Im in Canada. Not easy to find illegal arms supplies without seeking out the most dangerous people possible.
If we take off the tag on our mattress, that’s ok
If we drive a car with the engine block serial number ground off, that’s ok. Just leave the VIN alone if you ever want to sell, license and insure it
But guns tend to be long term purchases and aren’t tracked except by gun dealers. Just won’t be able to sell your gun afterwards to, or through a dealer
Not. Tired. Of winning!!!!!!!!