Technologically, the only way to defeat Apple would be to have phones in a similar performance range. If these were made years ago, they would be generations behind.
you make a great point but there are plenty of people who don't want to edit videos or play games on their phones. a phone with a bash shell and a web browser is good enough for me.
You are the unbelievably extreme minority lol. I work in IT and I would never want something like that. I do and have always used iPhones (since I handed in the BlackBerry in roughly 2010) because they work and rarely ever break.
There's a lot I'm willing to give up in a phone if it means I can cut invasive companies out. A nice camera isn't one of them, but I get more use out of the calculator than I do for most of the apps on here and I have to actually work to disable permissions for the stock garbage every time there's an upgrade.
There needs to be a more customizable option for how we can promote online personal privacy.
Mine goes dead a lot, but then that is their scam. I've refused to get a new one because they programmed that in their updates. There was a massive lawsuit against them on that.
HDR, high refresh rate panels (easier on the eyes due to the smoothness and more responsive) faster biometric unlocks (say what you will about trust/distrust, I'm talking about average people) better audio quality, stronger network controllers / better WiFi speeds, better battery optimization (power per performance improves with every generation), better features like super fast charging / wireless charging, operating system level over charge limitations to prevent you from charging past 75-85% to increase your battery's lifetime, so on.
A lot of features, and while a lot of the OS features can be pre-resolved, I wouldn't take less performance for my money.
I have always hated Apple so I choose the more open ended platform that I can keep at arm's length with third party support (Android) but even if I had an iPhone, I would not leap to less performance for a Twitter app.
In order to compete, they'll have to build up to it. Which will take time, money..and manufacturing/fabs.
Not exactly easy to create your own microarchitecture, and Nvidia (and therefore ARM) / AMD / Intel are all in pretty deep within the established stuff.
Indeed, I think Elon could probably build it off of the Android platform which would either force Google's hand yet again to make a sweeping change to remove the freedom Android users have (which would create an exodus of developers and users) or he'll achieve the goals as you can install third party apps very easily.
Hmmm, I did not see German there. Will take another look. Yeah the Purism is quite pricey....made in US though. If I had the $$, I'd probably go for that one.
This. The amount of people getting out the "pom-poms" for an "ElonPhone" and actually believing it would be successful, are mind blowing to me. There was a time when BlackBerry looked like it would own the business world forever. Apple was able to nearly make them extinct within a few years. it's because the product itself was WORLDS better than the BlackBerry. Microsoft, Amazon, and BlackBerry have all tried to dethrone the iPhone and failed. Until something truly better comes along, you are not going to break people away from that iPhone iCloud ecosystem.
And the phone would have to have equal build quality - which judging by the build quality of Tesla, would have to improve significantly. Tesla's are put together like shit. Build and paint defects galore.
it's because the product itself was WORLDS better than the BlackBerry.
You mean the marketing was.
iPhones have always been overrated and nothing more than expensive toys compared to their similar priced Android counterparts. They've tied people into their ecosystem because the majority of Apple users have no idea how to rip their iTunes music collection and put it on an SD card apparently.
In 2012, I purchased my first smart phone, a Samsung Galaxy Note II. It blew the iPhone 5 away. I could even hook up a controller to it with a USB OTG cable and play arcade and other emulated games on the go.
Agreed. Apple's iPhones are pieces of overpriced shit. My wife demanded to have one, the speaker broke in 6 months (no damage done), Apple replaced it. Then the mic on the 2nd phone broke (no damage done), Apple charged me to speak with them, and refused to replace it.
I tried backing up the data to buy a real, working phone (Android + Samsung) and it was encrypted. After 4 hours I finally managed to extract everything.
I took it outside, cherry bombed it with a metal baseball bat, and never looked back. Apple is a marketing gimmick company with shit quality products that only preserve market share due to how hard they make it to migrate to a better option.
"From 2017 and 2021, Apple barely hit 20% of the global smartphone market in annual sales, according to research data."
They are not some kind of untouchable titan in the industry. Android OS runs circles around iOS. Even domestically, it's less than 50% of the market, and we're hardcore Apple fanbois here in the US.
It's the next Blackberry and I hope someone disrupts the market in a big way. A StarLink phone w/o bloatware and an intelligent app marketplace would be an awesome alternative to have.
You can get an Android phone without the bloatware if you install a custom ROM with AOSP (Android Open Source Project) but you may run into conflicts with apps that relies on certain services and dependencies.
If you just want a bare-bone phone that will only do texting, emailing and some more (calling including), a custom ROM will do all of that and won't come with the bloatware.
we're hardcore Apple fanbois here in the US.
Outside of my social circle, I've seen a lot with an iPhone but the ones I know, don't have an iPhone. The ones who I know that owns an iPhone, are the ones who are naive, gullible and not so intelligent.
This is why I've always considered the iPhone more of a social status for the dummies. No offense to anyone on here who owns an iPhone but for me, it's very limited as if we're in a walled garden and I couldn't do much with it as far as customizing goes. Not even interested in jailbreaking an iPhone to unlock "features" that was already on an Android phone with the stock ROM. Plus it's always 2 years behind on everything. It took Apple forever to implement Bluetooth and NFC (I believe it has NFC now?)
That's why my first smart phone was the G1 and I loved it so much I kept buying Google's flagship phones. I would switch to a different OS/phone now that Google is a cucked company, but my options are limited here.
If Elon's new phone will be Android/Linux based, I will switch to it in a heartbeat, but if it will follow the same vein as the iPhone, no thanks.
That’s entirely fair, but just remember that the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 was essentially a ripoff of the iPhone that came before it. Virtually every significant feature of that we now consider a “smartphone” was pioneered by the iPhone.
I don’t say that with any joy - I hope Android and other Apple competitors claw their way up and supplant Apple in terms of innovation - it’s just silly to pretend that Apple didn’t essentially define the market.
And the iPhone was a ripoff of the Star Trek communicator that Samsung has proven in court many times.
Remember Apple's motto, "Good Artists copy, Great Artists steal" and they stole everything from that Star Trek communicator but blamed Samsung of doing the same thing. That's why I've always viewed Apple as a hypocritical company for a long time.
"It's revolutionary!" is a cringe phrase so whenever Apple say, "it's revolutionary!", that means they stole something or or finally implemented a 2 year+ old technology in their "revolutionary" phone (see the Bluetooth situation).
Eh, Apple brought all the basic smartphone features to the market, but they seemed to stop innovating in good ways. Their Apple Pay is proprietary, whereas Samsung phones simply create a magnetic field that mimics a card strip - so they can be used anywhere someone can swipe and the business doesn't need to buy a special terminal. Android also has handy features like using a swiping motion to quickly take a screenshot (I blew an iBot's mind when he saw me do that on my phone.)
Palm made a phone called Treo that had a physical keyboard and slightly smaller screen than iPhone.
Only real "innovations" was eliminating physical keyboard for touchscreen. PDAs at the time were very similar and many were more powerful. You just couldn't make a phone call with them.
>iPhone was WORLDS better
>build quality
>paint defects
Your thought process is acting under an old paradigm.
"Why is Elon Musk the richest man alive?
Who decides who gets to be richest? Is it the market? Supply and demand?
In the 1990’s a great many people had started using a computer tied to Bill Gates in some fashion, this is why when he was announced as richest man on the planet most could understand the causality of how it happened.
Can you say the same thing about the current richest man alive?
Really, how many SpaceX products do you use daily? Tesla has a 3% U.S. market so what is driving this growth? What does it mean to have that title of richest? What do they do with that wealth? Is it some kind of giant Scrooge McDuck tower situation filled with gold or is there an actual purpose to it?
I loved my iPhone but lousy battery life, their business practices and tight control of their products made me finally ditch it a year ago. Have an android, hate google, but there are other options with those phones.
Maybe that’s what they want you to think, maybe Apple already has the tech and deliberately holds it back to roll out a slightly better phone each year for bank
Well... Yes, sort of. This is literally how technology development works and how you fund R&D. Nvidia is developing GPUs, what.. 3 generations ahead at any given time?
The problem is that Apple doesn't have the technology that Elon would need anyway.
Apple phones have already peaked. The only difference between this years phone and last years phone is the camera. If however we bypassed the issue with dead zones due to satellite coverage then at least not only does ATT and Verizon take a huge hit but so does Apple because that is something people want now they can't get.
There is no peak to technology. It is a perpetual advancement industry.
Dealing with the notch (due to the OLED display that they could have used last year) is already an advancement that would make a good chunk of every day users upgrade.
But yes, this generation was a really weak upgrade but this is part of the problem with how frequently phone generations come.
Technologically, the only way to defeat Apple would be to have phones in a similar performance range. If these were made years ago, they would be generations behind.
People aren't just buying phones for Twitter.
you make a great point but there are plenty of people who don't want to edit videos or play games on their phones. a phone with a bash shell and a web browser is good enough for me.
You are the unbelievably extreme minority lol. I work in IT and I would never want something like that. I do and have always used iPhones (since I handed in the BlackBerry in roughly 2010) because they work and rarely ever break.
There's a lot I'm willing to give up in a phone if it means I can cut invasive companies out. A nice camera isn't one of them, but I get more use out of the calculator than I do for most of the apps on here and I have to actually work to disable permissions for the stock garbage every time there's an upgrade.
There needs to be a more customizable option for how we can promote online personal privacy.
Mine goes dead a lot, but then that is their scam. I've refused to get a new one because they programmed that in their updates. There was a massive lawsuit against them on that.
Agreed - a phone with a basic bash shell and web browser will satisfy roughly 0.000000002% of the smartphone market.
HDR, high refresh rate panels (easier on the eyes due to the smoothness and more responsive) faster biometric unlocks (say what you will about trust/distrust, I'm talking about average people) better audio quality, stronger network controllers / better WiFi speeds, better battery optimization (power per performance improves with every generation), better features like super fast charging / wireless charging, operating system level over charge limitations to prevent you from charging past 75-85% to increase your battery's lifetime, so on.
A lot of features, and while a lot of the OS features can be pre-resolved, I wouldn't take less performance for my money.
I have always hated Apple so I choose the more open ended platform that I can keep at arm's length with third party support (Android) but even if I had an iPhone, I would not leap to less performance for a Twitter app.
In order to compete, they'll have to build up to it. Which will take time, money..and manufacturing/fabs.
Not exactly easy to create your own microarchitecture, and Nvidia (and therefore ARM) / AMD / Intel are all in pretty deep within the established stuff.
Indeed, I think Elon could probably build it off of the Android platform which would either force Google's hand yet again to make a sweeping change to remove the freedom Android users have (which would create an exodus of developers and users) or he'll achieve the goals as you can install third party apps very easily.
This is what I am looking at: https://ubports.com
Nice. I was looking at this one: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa/
Your device is much more affordable although the device site seems to be in German? Makes me wonder if it'll work on networks in the U.S.
Hmmm, I did not see German there. Will take another look. Yeah the Purism is quite pricey....made in US though. If I had the $$, I'd probably go for that one.
But I'd buy a two year old phone that comes with space access
This. The amount of people getting out the "pom-poms" for an "ElonPhone" and actually believing it would be successful, are mind blowing to me. There was a time when BlackBerry looked like it would own the business world forever. Apple was able to nearly make them extinct within a few years. it's because the product itself was WORLDS better than the BlackBerry. Microsoft, Amazon, and BlackBerry have all tried to dethrone the iPhone and failed. Until something truly better comes along, you are not going to break people away from that iPhone iCloud ecosystem.
And the phone would have to have equal build quality - which judging by the build quality of Tesla, would have to improve significantly. Tesla's are put together like shit. Build and paint defects galore.
You mean the marketing was.
iPhones have always been overrated and nothing more than expensive toys compared to their similar priced Android counterparts. They've tied people into their ecosystem because the majority of Apple users have no idea how to rip their iTunes music collection and put it on an SD card apparently.
In 2012, I purchased my first smart phone, a Samsung Galaxy Note II. It blew the iPhone 5 away. I could even hook up a controller to it with a USB OTG cable and play arcade and other emulated games on the go.
Agreed. Apple's iPhones are pieces of overpriced shit. My wife demanded to have one, the speaker broke in 6 months (no damage done), Apple replaced it. Then the mic on the 2nd phone broke (no damage done), Apple charged me to speak with them, and refused to replace it.
I tried backing up the data to buy a real, working phone (Android + Samsung) and it was encrypted. After 4 hours I finally managed to extract everything.
I took it outside, cherry bombed it with a metal baseball bat, and never looked back. Apple is a marketing gimmick company with shit quality products that only preserve market share due to how hard they make it to migrate to a better option.
"From 2017 and 2021, Apple barely hit 20% of the global smartphone market in annual sales, according to research data."
They are not some kind of untouchable titan in the industry. Android OS runs circles around iOS. Even domestically, it's less than 50% of the market, and we're hardcore Apple fanbois here in the US.
It's the next Blackberry and I hope someone disrupts the market in a big way. A StarLink phone w/o bloatware and an intelligent app marketplace would be an awesome alternative to have.
You can get an Android phone without the bloatware if you install a custom ROM with AOSP (Android Open Source Project) but you may run into conflicts with apps that relies on certain services and dependencies.
If you just want a bare-bone phone that will only do texting, emailing and some more (calling including), a custom ROM will do all of that and won't come with the bloatware.
Outside of my social circle, I've seen a lot with an iPhone but the ones I know, don't have an iPhone. The ones who I know that owns an iPhone, are the ones who are naive, gullible and not so intelligent.
This is why I've always considered the iPhone more of a social status for the dummies. No offense to anyone on here who owns an iPhone but for me, it's very limited as if we're in a walled garden and I couldn't do much with it as far as customizing goes. Not even interested in jailbreaking an iPhone to unlock "features" that was already on an Android phone with the stock ROM. Plus it's always 2 years behind on everything. It took Apple forever to implement Bluetooth and NFC (I believe it has NFC now?)
That's why my first smart phone was the G1 and I loved it so much I kept buying Google's flagship phones. I would switch to a different OS/phone now that Google is a cucked company, but my options are limited here.
If Elon's new phone will be Android/Linux based, I will switch to it in a heartbeat, but if it will follow the same vein as the iPhone, no thanks.
That’s entirely fair, but just remember that the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 was essentially a ripoff of the iPhone that came before it. Virtually every significant feature of that we now consider a “smartphone” was pioneered by the iPhone.
I don’t say that with any joy - I hope Android and other Apple competitors claw their way up and supplant Apple in terms of innovation - it’s just silly to pretend that Apple didn’t essentially define the market.
And the iPhone was a ripoff of the Star Trek communicator that Samsung has proven in court many times.
Remember Apple's motto, "Good Artists copy, Great Artists steal" and they stole everything from that Star Trek communicator but blamed Samsung of doing the same thing. That's why I've always viewed Apple as a hypocritical company for a long time.
"It's revolutionary!" is a cringe phrase so whenever Apple say, "it's revolutionary!", that means they stole something or or finally implemented a 2 year+ old technology in their "revolutionary" phone (see the Bluetooth situation).
Eh, Apple brought all the basic smartphone features to the market, but they seemed to stop innovating in good ways. Their Apple Pay is proprietary, whereas Samsung phones simply create a magnetic field that mimics a card strip - so they can be used anywhere someone can swipe and the business doesn't need to buy a special terminal. Android also has handy features like using a swiping motion to quickly take a screenshot (I blew an iBot's mind when he saw me do that on my phone.)
Nope. iPhone released in 2007 was a Palm Pilot without a stylus and with phone capabilities. Software was less refined than Palm OS.
https://history-computer.com/palm-pilot-guide/
Palm made a phone called Treo that had a physical keyboard and slightly smaller screen than iPhone.
Only real "innovations" was eliminating physical keyboard for touchscreen. PDAs at the time were very similar and many were more powerful. You just couldn't make a phone call with them.
>iPhone was WORLDS better
>build quality
>paint defects
Your thought process is acting under an old paradigm.
"Why is Elon Musk the richest man alive?
Who decides who gets to be richest? Is it the market? Supply and demand?
In the 1990’s a great many people had started using a computer tied to Bill Gates in some fashion, this is why when he was announced as richest man on the planet most could understand the causality of how it happened.
Can you say the same thing about the current richest man alive?
Really, how many SpaceX products do you use daily? Tesla has a 3% U.S. market so what is driving this growth? What does it mean to have that title of richest? What do they do with that wealth? Is it some kind of giant Scrooge McDuck tower situation filled with gold or is there an actual purpose to it?
Why did his money skyrocket so dramatically around 2020?"
https://decodingsymbols.wordpress.com/2022/10/21/elon-musk/
I loved my iPhone but lousy battery life, their business practices and tight control of their products made me finally ditch it a year ago. Have an android, hate google, but there are other options with those phones.
Maybe that’s what they want you to think, maybe Apple already has the tech and deliberately holds it back to roll out a slightly better phone each year for bank
Well... Yes, sort of. This is literally how technology development works and how you fund R&D. Nvidia is developing GPUs, what.. 3 generations ahead at any given time?
The problem is that Apple doesn't have the technology that Elon would need anyway.
Apple phones have already peaked. The only difference between this years phone and last years phone is the camera. If however we bypassed the issue with dead zones due to satellite coverage then at least not only does ATT and Verizon take a huge hit but so does Apple because that is something people want now they can't get.
There is no peak to technology. It is a perpetual advancement industry.
Dealing with the notch (due to the OLED display that they could have used last year) is already an advancement that would make a good chunk of every day users upgrade.
But yes, this generation was a really weak upgrade but this is part of the problem with how frequently phone generations come.
Satellite coverage usually is not great indoors, which is a huge problem with satellite phones for your average cell phone user.