Hello from the Orthodox church.
We'll take him✅ Just like St Alexis Toth from Poland and Wilkes-Barre PA, we'll take the good Catholic refugee priest now too.
**** Vatican Removes Anti-Abortion Activist From the Priesthood****
Frank Pavone’s work has led to clashes over the years with some Catholic leaders.
A well-known Catholic priest and incendiary leader of the anti-abortion movement was removed from the priesthood by the Vatican, according to a letter from Pope Francis’s representative to the United States that was obtained by The New York Times.
Frank Pavone, who leads the advocacy organization Priests for Life, and was once a religious adviser to former President Donald J. Trump, was dismissed from the clergy on Nov. 9 with no possibility of appeal, the letter states. The letter included a statement about the removal, called laicization, that it said was approved by the Dicastery for the Clergy, a Vatican office.
“This action was taken after Father Pavone was found guilty in canonical proceedings of blasphemous communications on social media, and of persistent disobedience of the lawful instructions of his diocesan bishop,” it states.
The letter did not specify those communications or disobedience, or name the diocesan bishop. Mr. Pavone did not reply to a request for comment.
The punishment of a high-profile Catholic anti-abortion activist comes at a precarious moment for the movement as it plans its future after losses in the midterm election and struggles to unify Republicans around the issue. Mr. Pavone’s anti-abortion activism was not cited in the letter as the reason for his dismissal.
The move also comes a month after the Catholic bishops of the United States said they would redouble their efforts to end abortion and elected new leaders who are expected to continue the conservative leanings of the hierarchy.
Mr. Pavone, a ubiquitous figure at anti-abortion rallies and fund-raisers, is prolific on social media. By his own account, his outspoken anti-abortion activism has won the support of some church leaders over the years but has also led to clashes with others.
He is also known in the anti-abortion movement for his relationship with Norma McCorvey, the ‘Jane Roe’ of Roe v. Wade, whose lawsuit led to the U.S. Supreme Court decision nearly 50 years ago to enshrine the right to abortion in the Constitution. Ms. McCorvey later converted to Catholicism and the anti-abortion cause, at least for a time. The court rescinded the right this summer.
Mr. Pavone was devoted to Mr. Trump and was among those who questioned the results of the 2020 election.
His dismissal was first reported by the conservative outlet Catholic News Agency on Saturday night.
On a live broadcast on social media shortly after the report, Mr. Pavone said he had received no communication from the Vatican about his removal. Wearing a leather jacket over his priest’s collar, he said he would continue his work for the anti-abortion cause.
“I’ve been persecuted in the church for decades, decades. This is nothing new for me,” he said. “They just don’t like the work I’m doing for these babies.”
He seemed to refer to a comment on Twitter from 2020 in which he referred to “supporters of this goddamn loser Biden and his morally corrupt, America-hating, God hating Democrat party.”
“I used the word G-D in a response to somebody in a tweet and for that they want to throw me out of the priesthood,” he said.
The letter about his removal makes no specific reference to this incident, or to abortion beyond his affiliation.
Online, Mr. Pavone seemed to compare his removal itself to abortion.
“In every profession, including the priesthood, if you defend the #unborn, you will be treated like them!” he wrote on Twitter on Saturday night. “The only difference is that when we are ‘aborted,’ we continue to speak, loud and clear.”
Archbishop Christophe Pierre, the Pope’s representative to the United States, called the apostolic nuncio, addressed the letter dated Dec. 13 to bishops, alerting them of the decision from the Vatican. The New York Times obtained the letter from a person who had access to it but who was not authorized to share it.
“As you will know, Father Pavone was a very public and high profile figure associated with the Right to Life Movement in the U.S.,” Archbishop Pierre states. “His dismissal from the clerical state may, therefore, be a matter of interest among the faithful. In anticipation of that potential interest, the attached statement regarding Father Pavone is provided for your information.”
The statement said that Mr. Pavone was given “ample opportunity to defend himself” as well as “multiple opportunities to submit himself to the authority of his diocesan bishop.”
“It was determined that Father Pavone had no reasonable justification for his actions,” it says.
The statement said the future of Mr. Pavone’s role at Priests for Life would be entirely up to the group, which it described as “not a Catholic organization.”
In his broadcast, Mr. Pavone said, “You can’t cancel this message, you won’t silence this message. It’s only going to grow. We’re only going to get louder.”
During the 2016 presidential election, Mr. Pavone posted a live video on Facebook in which he put an aborted fetus on what appeared to be an altar. The Diocese of Amarillo in Texas, which oversaw him at the time, announced that it opened an investigation into Mr. Pavone as a result. The diocese did not respond to a request for comment on Saturday night.
Mr. Pavone clashed publicly with the bishop of the Diocese of Amarillo, Patrick Zurek, several times over the years. In the fall of 2020, the diocese issued a statement saying Catholics should disregard Mr. Pavone’s rhetoric about the election, including comments online about withholding the absolution of sin from Catholics who voted Democratic.
“These postings are not consistent with Catholic Church Teachings,” the diocese said in a statement at the time. “Please disregard them and pray for Father Pavone.”
Following the report of his dismissal, Abby Johnson, a former Planned Parenthood director who became an anti-abortion activist, defended Mr. Pavone on Facebook as a faithful priest and longtime mentor.
“He shepherded me into the church,” she wrote. “I wish all clergy were as vocal as he is.”
Eric Scheidler, the executive director of the Pro-Life Action League, which has a long relationship with Mr. Pavone, said it was “hard to see an organization called Priests for Life headed by a man who’s not recognized as a priest by any local bishop.”
Mr. Pavone’s removal could rattle his fellow activists at a sensitive time, said Mr. Scheidler, who is Catholic.
“It’s a time of real soul-searching and challenges for the pro-life movement as we try to rebuild after the backlash to the overturning of Roe v. Wade,” he said.
It is not just Francis, it is his supporting cast. It is not just Biden, it is his supporting cast. It is not just Fraudci, it is his supporting cast. ETC. The same "infiltration" of all aspects of our world.
My knee-jerk reaction is also to leave but we have an obligation to cleanse it. Our kids need communion too, where do we go? The Old Catholic Church allows priests to marry. The Green Orthodox Church has a very mature stance on many things the Roman Catholics lost sight of. In the end we may be celebrating as the original Christians did, at the super tables at home.
Check out the Russian Orthodox Church. You may find it to be the spiritual home you’re looking for given the path markers you have shared. I don’t get on here to try to recruit people but you listed some options and I’m suggesting the one I took after much struggle.
Will consider, fren... Not many options in my geographical area that we're aware of right now, but the Lord will provide. Awhile back, I picked up the old missals, pre-vatican 2, and other core reference books for catechism and doctrine. Need to look into what rights priests have when their 'superiors' are in error- I'm also getting the feeling that 'sanctioned' priests are not the only ones 'authorized' to perform the rites. Sort of like local gov licensing salon people, artificial restrictions, artificial control.
I found a Bible based non denominational church. I have learned more in eight years than 58 years Catholic. Take a step back and you will see the evil they are.
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with people, corruption is indeed rampant, especially after Vatican 2. Yet evil hasn't arsoned non-denominational churches, just Catholic cathedrals. Assassinated prelates in the streets. MSM doesn't attack generic split-offs, just Catholics, despite the prevalence of corruption in all of these businesses. Masons have attached and bombed Catholic churches for decades, and owned protestant ones. They hate the Blessed Virgin Mary. If nothing else, seeing against whom the evil ones arrange themselves should give one cause to consider where to look for truth.
Also, those theologians who rapid-fire dance around scripture playing word games with translations just feel slimy. I'll take an original Latin and Greek scholar to discuss new testament, Hebrew for old, and go from there. Please don't KJV me, bro.
The Vatican are the 21st Century Pharisees! SHAME ON THEM.
“You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.” Matthew 12:34 (NIV)
catholics turn a blind eye, been doing it for years, some of the most guilty and exactly what is wrong with this country, yet catholics right here about to reply think they aren’t going to hell but they are, for doing nothing, doing nothing fyi is just a form of greed but when you meet god you will learn, deep down you already know… enjoy your life because eternity is waiting, goes for pretty much all christians… hope you are all thinking.. what is my reason to tell god why I sat back and did nothing?
Congrats! You just wrote the dumbest shit I've ever seen on this website. Name me an institution that ISN'T controlled by Luciferian masons, I'll be fucking waiting. Last I checked Trump is promoting the clot shot and the U.S. Government is just as bad if not worse with trafficking than the Catholic church.
The virgin Mary predicted that satan would control the church through insidious masonry and that is what we are seeing now. But she also said it wouldn't last forever. All we can do is pray that God saves us and the church from the evil.
Pavone has been saving babies for many years. Suddenly its not OK?
Pope covers up pedo priests, that is OK?
If you are punishing him for that, how about Catholic Charities that traffics kids.
Hello from the Orthodox church. We'll take him✅ Just like St Alexis Toth from Poland and Wilkes-Barre PA, we'll take the good Catholic refugee priest now too.
God bless you!
Orthodox Christians for Life interacted with Fr. Pavone. Maybe he’ll come over.
https://web.archive.org/web/20221218084056/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/18/us/vatican-removes-anti-abortion-leader-priesthood.html
**** Vatican Removes Anti-Abortion Activist From the Priesthood**** Frank Pavone’s work has led to clashes over the years with some Catholic leaders.
A well-known Catholic priest and incendiary leader of the anti-abortion movement was removed from the priesthood by the Vatican, according to a letter from Pope Francis’s representative to the United States that was obtained by The New York Times.
Frank Pavone, who leads the advocacy organization Priests for Life, and was once a religious adviser to former President Donald J. Trump, was dismissed from the clergy on Nov. 9 with no possibility of appeal, the letter states. The letter included a statement about the removal, called laicization, that it said was approved by the Dicastery for the Clergy, a Vatican office.
“This action was taken after Father Pavone was found guilty in canonical proceedings of blasphemous communications on social media, and of persistent disobedience of the lawful instructions of his diocesan bishop,” it states.
The letter did not specify those communications or disobedience, or name the diocesan bishop. Mr. Pavone did not reply to a request for comment. The punishment of a high-profile Catholic anti-abortion activist comes at a precarious moment for the movement as it plans its future after losses in the midterm election and struggles to unify Republicans around the issue. Mr. Pavone’s anti-abortion activism was not cited in the letter as the reason for his dismissal.
The move also comes a month after the Catholic bishops of the United States said they would redouble their efforts to end abortion and elected new leaders who are expected to continue the conservative leanings of the hierarchy.
Mr. Pavone, a ubiquitous figure at anti-abortion rallies and fund-raisers, is prolific on social media. By his own account, his outspoken anti-abortion activism has won the support of some church leaders over the years but has also led to clashes with others.
He is also known in the anti-abortion movement for his relationship with Norma McCorvey, the ‘Jane Roe’ of Roe v. Wade, whose lawsuit led to the U.S. Supreme Court decision nearly 50 years ago to enshrine the right to abortion in the Constitution. Ms. McCorvey later converted to Catholicism and the anti-abortion cause, at least for a time. The court rescinded the right this summer.
Mr. Pavone was devoted to Mr. Trump and was among those who questioned the results of the 2020 election. His dismissal was first reported by the conservative outlet Catholic News Agency on Saturday night.
On a live broadcast on social media shortly after the report, Mr. Pavone said he had received no communication from the Vatican about his removal. Wearing a leather jacket over his priest’s collar, he said he would continue his work for the anti-abortion cause.
“I’ve been persecuted in the church for decades, decades. This is nothing new for me,” he said. “They just don’t like the work I’m doing for these babies.”
He seemed to refer to a comment on Twitter from 2020 in which he referred to “supporters of this goddamn loser Biden and his morally corrupt, America-hating, God hating Democrat party.”
“I used the word G-D in a response to somebody in a tweet and for that they want to throw me out of the priesthood,” he said.
The letter about his removal makes no specific reference to this incident, or to abortion beyond his affiliation.
Online, Mr. Pavone seemed to compare his removal itself to abortion.
“In every profession, including the priesthood, if you defend the #unborn, you will be treated like them!” he wrote on Twitter on Saturday night. “The only difference is that when we are ‘aborted,’ we continue to speak, loud and clear.”
Archbishop Christophe Pierre, the Pope’s representative to the United States, called the apostolic nuncio, addressed the letter dated Dec. 13 to bishops, alerting them of the decision from the Vatican. The New York Times obtained the letter from a person who had access to it but who was not authorized to share it. “As you will know, Father Pavone was a very public and high profile figure associated with the Right to Life Movement in the U.S.,” Archbishop Pierre states. “His dismissal from the clerical state may, therefore, be a matter of interest among the faithful. In anticipation of that potential interest, the attached statement regarding Father Pavone is provided for your information.”
The statement said that Mr. Pavone was given “ample opportunity to defend himself” as well as “multiple opportunities to submit himself to the authority of his diocesan bishop.”
“It was determined that Father Pavone had no reasonable justification for his actions,” it says.
The statement said the future of Mr. Pavone’s role at Priests for Life would be entirely up to the group, which it described as “not a Catholic organization.”
In his broadcast, Mr. Pavone said, “You can’t cancel this message, you won’t silence this message. It’s only going to grow. We’re only going to get louder.”
During the 2016 presidential election, Mr. Pavone posted a live video on Facebook in which he put an aborted fetus on what appeared to be an altar. The Diocese of Amarillo in Texas, which oversaw him at the time, announced that it opened an investigation into Mr. Pavone as a result. The diocese did not respond to a request for comment on Saturday night.
Mr. Pavone clashed publicly with the bishop of the Diocese of Amarillo, Patrick Zurek, several times over the years. In the fall of 2020, the diocese issued a statement saying Catholics should disregard Mr. Pavone’s rhetoric about the election, including comments online about withholding the absolution of sin from Catholics who voted Democratic.
“These postings are not consistent with Catholic Church Teachings,” the diocese said in a statement at the time. “Please disregard them and pray for Father Pavone.” Following the report of his dismissal, Abby Johnson, a former Planned Parenthood director who became an anti-abortion activist, defended Mr. Pavone on Facebook as a faithful priest and longtime mentor.
“He shepherded me into the church,” she wrote. “I wish all clergy were as vocal as he is.”
Eric Scheidler, the executive director of the Pro-Life Action League, which has a long relationship with Mr. Pavone, said it was “hard to see an organization called Priests for Life headed by a man who’s not recognized as a priest by any local bishop.”
Mr. Pavone’s removal could rattle his fellow activists at a sensitive time, said Mr. Scheidler, who is Catholic.
“It’s a time of real soul-searching and challenges for the pro-life movement as we try to rebuild after the backlash to the overturning of Roe v. Wade,” he said.
Nothing gets enshrined into our constitution. There is a channel to add or subtract or modify the constitution. But no automatic enshrinement.
It is not just Francis, it is his supporting cast. It is not just Biden, it is his supporting cast. It is not just Fraudci, it is his supporting cast. ETC. The same "infiltration" of all aspects of our world.
Indeed, being silent or oblivious at this stage is acceptance, even embracing, the evil.
I have found very early on, if you want to make the left uncomfortable really fast, start answering anything they say with a reference to God.
My oldest sister loved this Priest. I am glad she is not here to see this.
This is why I left Catholic Church eight years ago.
I'm hoping the deep state in the Vatican gets cleaned out because the church is in real trouble.
The church needs good people to reform it from within like the council of Trent.
Martin Luther reformed the church and I fully support it.
Hopefully the RC church gets the same kind of reformation
u/#mikeyep
My knee-jerk reaction is also to leave but we have an obligation to cleanse it. Our kids need communion too, where do we go? The Old Catholic Church allows priests to marry. The Green Orthodox Church has a very mature stance on many things the Roman Catholics lost sight of. In the end we may be celebrating as the original Christians did, at the super tables at home.
Check out the Russian Orthodox Church. You may find it to be the spiritual home you’re looking for given the path markers you have shared. I don’t get on here to try to recruit people but you listed some options and I’m suggesting the one I took after much struggle.
Will consider, fren... Not many options in my geographical area that we're aware of right now, but the Lord will provide. Awhile back, I picked up the old missals, pre-vatican 2, and other core reference books for catechism and doctrine. Need to look into what rights priests have when their 'superiors' are in error- I'm also getting the feeling that 'sanctioned' priests are not the only ones 'authorized' to perform the rites. Sort of like local gov licensing salon people, artificial restrictions, artificial control.
For a geographical search of all canonical Eastern Orthodox parishes: https://www.assemblyofbishops.org/directories/parishes/
I found a Bible based non denominational church. I have learned more in eight years than 58 years Catholic. Take a step back and you will see the evil they are.
Be careful not to be mislead , try a kjv or new American standard Bible.
The Catholic church is the whore that sits on the 7 seas.
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with people, corruption is indeed rampant, especially after Vatican 2. Yet evil hasn't arsoned non-denominational churches, just Catholic cathedrals. Assassinated prelates in the streets. MSM doesn't attack generic split-offs, just Catholics, despite the prevalence of corruption in all of these businesses. Masons have attached and bombed Catholic churches for decades, and owned protestant ones. They hate the Blessed Virgin Mary. If nothing else, seeing against whom the evil ones arrange themselves should give one cause to consider where to look for truth.
Also, those theologians who rapid-fire dance around scripture playing word games with translations just feel slimy. I'll take an original Latin and Greek scholar to discuss new testament, Hebrew for old, and go from there. Please don't KJV me, bro.
The Vatican are the 21st Century Pharisees! SHAME ON THEM. “You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.” Matthew 12:34 (NIV)
Buck the “system” and be defrocked. One can still do Gods work without a tittle or piece of paper.
Ask some questions: A Diocesan Priest, What happens to his pension ?
What are the documents that caused the de-frocking?
There should be complete transparency on the proceeding.
Um shouldn't all priests be anti abortion?
They probably shared their secret twitter accounts full of the underage porn they collect.
“Believe them when they show you who they are”. Enough said.
Antiabortion LOL….
Francis going to be having a bad may this year?
catholics turn a blind eye, been doing it for years, some of the most guilty and exactly what is wrong with this country, yet catholics right here about to reply think they aren’t going to hell but they are, for doing nothing, doing nothing fyi is just a form of greed but when you meet god you will learn, deep down you already know… enjoy your life because eternity is waiting, goes for pretty much all christians… hope you are all thinking.. what is my reason to tell god why I sat back and did nothing?
Congrats! You just wrote the dumbest shit I've ever seen on this website. Name me an institution that ISN'T controlled by Luciferian masons, I'll be fucking waiting. Last I checked Trump is promoting the clot shot and the U.S. Government is just as bad if not worse with trafficking than the Catholic church.
The virgin Mary predicted that satan would control the church through insidious masonry and that is what we are seeing now. But she also said it wouldn't last forever. All we can do is pray that God saves us and the church from the evil.
I’ll see you in hell haha
Chapter and verse on what we are supposed to do.